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I'd look for us to grab a couple physical corners who can cover man, then see them play closer to the line (5 yds, not 8-10). Add a high pick FS and the CBs won't have to worry out their guys getting past them as much. That's what I'm hoping anyway.

Play them harder. This crap of eight yards off is killing us. The soft zone with no press is killing us. Send pressure; dropping DLs is not surprising folks, and it is not stopping anyone.
Our corners got us killed. Our defense needs to show up. Another blown lead; ST play hurt us badly. Bad coaching all around.

One's gotta believe Williams has our Safeties so deep because he doesn't trust our Corners. And he shouldn't.

PRAY Houston loses out.

We need to get Wilson in here to see what he's got.

Go HARD after one of the 2 top FA Corners and with what is being touted as a deep CB class, get one within our first 4 picks. Potentially Top 36.

Dream right now is:

Rosen/Darnold
Minkah-Fitzpatrick. FS

Those moves should get Peppers much closer to the LOS and the Corners also. And if they continue playing so damn deep, I'm going to be seriously doubting Williams scheme.

It doesn't get any clearer than that that the DC and the OC are stubborn egomaniacs who can only coach to their systems and are not able to coach to the talent of their players OR adapt throughout the game to what is working and what is not. Hundley completed ONE throw over ten yards...ONE. How does a DC not adjust to what is happening on the field? Over and over and over.

Hue commented on this in one of his press conferences. He talks about this recurring play-calling by GB - and our inability to get pressure on the QB - as if it was a magical unicorn and no one could be expected to...you know...adjust and combat it.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Need-to-Know-No-regrets-on-fateful-punt-but-Browns%E2%80%99-execution-lagged-vs-Packers/1cee06a3-a283-4b33-8131-2df9131f598a

Here's the quote from the article:

“People were throwing the ball quickly,” Jackson said. “He (Garrett) gets two steps up the field and the ball is gone. They made a huge effort as you saw in the second half to do just that, but then he (Garrett) is going to have to find other ways to combat that to be able to be more of a factor in the game. That is just part of it. He (Garrett) is learning so many different things that the National Football League teams do to nullifying him so that he can’t make the impact plays that we all want him to make. He has to continue to find ways to do that.”

What? The other team play-called to what was working and they won the game. Interesting concept. GW just kept running the same useless soft defense - aka prevent. This is an area where a HC - who is not in over his head - walks over to the DC and asks him why he can't see what the O is doing over and over and over.

In this same press conference Hue talks about his decision to NOT punt the ball out of bounds at the end of the 4th Qtr. He gives it the old "they made a play and we didn't" mantra. Hey Hue...if you punted that ball out of bounds, no one would have made a play except for the punter.

We were so out-coached all over the game Sunday that it is ridiculous.

Agreed. I'd take two corners and a safety. I'm not huge on Jamar Taylor, and I think McCourty might be on the downhill slide. Although, I really like the Howard Wilson selection from last year, and I expect him to be a factor next year.

My favourite mock draft on one of the simulators got me Josh Rosen (QB), Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/DW), Josh Jackson (CB), Christian Kirk (WR), Azeem Victor (LB) and Isaiah Oliver (CB) in the first three rounds.

If we come out with something like that, lord have mercy. Now, if we bring in someone like Cousins, swap out Rosen for Barkley, and we might as well put down a deposit for playoff tickets before the end of the 4th round of the 2018 draft.

Of course, way too early to know how that shapes out, but I think it highlights the exciting possibilities for what this roster could look like next year.

Yes, I would take that. If we could squeeze Guise in there somewhere it would be damn near perfect.

Damn right. I want to be really excited because Jackson picked up on it, but I'm sitting here like, "Don't tell the media. Go tell you #%#*$* DC. Go tell him during the game. No point noticing if you, as the HC, aren't going to see that the problem is fixed."

I worry about Williams sometimes. I LOVE his attitude, but I am concerned his attitude also comes with a "Can't tell me nothing" side to it.

J/C

I didn't know where else to put this, but I'll throw it here and assume all defensive front seven talk is cool.



Christian Kirksey tweeted this out one hour ago.

j/c:

Anyone else getting tired of the same half dozen or so posters turning every thread into a fire Hue of fire the coaches thread?

Back to Garrett.

I really like the kid and believe he will be a great player. I think he is going to have to work to improve his game. I think he will do that based on all of the comments we have read about him.

I think he is going to have to improve his hands so guys can't get in on him and lock him up. I think he'll have to add another counter move or two. It's a work in progress.

I think he is playing solid. The PFF grades indicate that. But, I am sure that he, and the Browns, want to see him turn into a dominant player who can impact games by himself.

Kirksey definitely is earning his contract. I really like our front 7 as a whole. Could we use an upgrade over Schobert? Sure, but right now the biggest priority are corner and FS.

And just to clarify for the board, I never claimed that we need to get rid of Garrett, just disappointed that our #1 overall isn’t having the impact that warrants #1 overall so far.

Vers: yea, we got plenty of the fire hue threads. I agree.

I sure do. The fact is the owner is around all the time. The people report to him. He felt he found and addressed the problem by firing Sashi.

Yet posters who don't even sniff the FO have the answer? Well, they think they do. When in fact, they have no idea what was or is going on behind closed doors.

You should try refuting their points with actual comments and facts about a coach who is 1-28 since being here...and 9-36 as a HC in his career. You should learn to differentiate between criticizing Hue and wanting him fired...as if you would ever do that.

Let's hear your analysis of why the criticism is unfounded. No more speculative crap about how players like him, play hard for him and how respected a 1-28 HC is throughout the league.

Talk about his game-planning and adjustments instead of some cool scheme that no one on the team can run. Talk about his DC adjusting like an 83 year old woman who just got a new TV and a ST Coach whose squads regularly put the team in a bind. You know...real football stuff that has defined this team under his leadership.

Maybe people should figure out that Haslam knows more about what's going on in Berea than all the posters on this board combined. He figured out the problem was the talent and not the coaching. This Sashi is gone and Hue is still here.

The same Haslam that has made all the other hirings and firings? That guy suddenly has a clue about what's going on now?

The same Haslam that has Tenn fans ready to run him out on rail? That Jimmy Haslam?

I agree with this. ^

In Garret's defense (not directing this at you, Vers), he's been battling ankle pain, that has to factor into his effectiveness. Last week he was playing against Bakhtiari, possibly the best pass protecting LT this year. Couple that with all of the quick passes that ate us alive and you can easily see why he struggled. The criticism bandied about after the game was completely unwarranted, in my view.

He should know what's going on. The troubling thing is what has/will he do about it. I mean, based on his track record to date, we cannot be optimistic that he got it right...

We are all very frustrated, so irrational positions are normal.

Losing mentality can contaminate good players.... But I like MG spirit, so I think he will improve when we start being competitive.

Clowney took some time to become a very good player IMHO. Garrett has all the tools and seems to have the application. If he can turn up to camps next year injury free I think we'll see a Shelton leap from Year 1 to 2.

I still think he's been pretty good. He almost gets there a lot of the time. I'm also bemused as to how few holding calls have come on the opposing OL. I've spotted them - at least a couple a game.

Can you clarify? You're not suggesting he's dogging it now, are you? Or that he's waiting until we become competitive to "turn it on"?

Thanks to those of you who started talking about Garrett again instead of falling victim to the BS from the Fire Hue crowd.

Garrett has been solid in his first year IMO, which is about what you should expect. The 1st pick doesn't always have to be dominant right out of the gates, but at least show signs of doing so (while being a solid starter).

Does he need to improve? Obviously. But the tools are there.

I wonder if the cold has to do with his production.

Does he have a cold or do you mean the cold weather?

Cold weather.

I don't think so. He faced a very good LT and apparently he isn't 100%.

j/c...

[Garrett] He has to make a difference: he HAS TO make this tackle.

Tweet: #BaldyBreakdowns

He's playing too high. Sure sign of being tired.

Says the guy who posted THIS...that derailed the thread:



Criticism of a 1-28 coach is not unreasonable in any thread related to the performance of the Browns or any player in particular.

Back to Garrett: Garrett would have looked a lot better Sunday if Hue's DC knew how to adjust his defense. Instead, Hue says Garrett needs to learn how to deal with such offensive scheme and figure out a way around it and get better. Blame the players for McCarthy having his QB get rid on the ball in less than 2 seconds.

Pay attention to him on his moves to the outside of the tackle when he rushes the passer. It was mentioned in the pre season how low he gets on his outside rush which he DID. Now watch him. Since his ankle injury this season he does not get that low anymore. I believe he is still having ankle problems and he won't heal up till the off season.

I agree w/that GM. It probably also affects his conditioning. You could see how high he was on that GB play that Milk posted. And he's not getting the initial burst off of the football.

And he still effects the offense. Whether some folks want to admit it or not. He may not be racking up sacks, but teams are game planning for him, and he's setting his edge. He's just a step slow right now because of his ankle(s), IMO.

J/C

Regarding my issue with Gregg Williams, I feel this further highlights why the current defense is holding back our front seven, the below tweet from PFF's John Kosko;



Why Williams forces his corners to play off coverage so much is beyond me. He's got safeties nowhere near the play, corners playing with a cushion over 70% of the time and calls blitz more than anyone else in the NFL. That makes no sense.

Until Williams is willing to take the risk of giving up the long ball, our pass rushers aren't going to be able to eat.

If he wasn't willing to do that against the Packers with Brett freaking Hundley in at QB, I'm not sure he ever will do it.

I'm hoping he's doing this because our secondary sucks and he's doesn't want plays getting behind them. I'm also assuming much better talent will allow him to play his CBs closer to the line and moves his safeties up 5-10 yards.

Cal, don't take his bait. This is a Myles Garrett thread. He keeps trying to hijack it.

I really hope he doesn’t have “bad ankles” like Courtney had bad shoulders ...

That’d really STINK ...

It would. It's something that has been bothering me, but didn't want to vocalize.

I'm hoping they can heal in the off-season and not be an issue next year. Chronic ankle problems would be a real drag.

That's likely, but with that aside, I think it's why our pass rush continues to struggle. There is too many quick throws available that get the ball out of the quarterback's hand before Garrett, and the others, can make a true impact on the play.

Williams has to be willing to take risks if our defensive line is going to be able to get involved.

I think that's fair. Our lack of talent in the secondary is hampering the DL by allowing the space for the short throws. I agree that is also affecting Garrett's performance. If that continues to be the case, I hope to see him getting his hands up more, looking to block the throwing lanes.