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Maybe I am just tired of the browns but I honestly dont give a damn what these guys say anymore. Its same speech over and over. Come in blame the previous guys so u can have as low of a bar as possible and someone to blame when u suck. been there done that to many times. I agree. It SEEMS as if each new draft, each new front office, people get all giddy. "oh, look who we got." "Look at the draft we just had" etc. I bought into it for far too long. Not anymore. I'll be excited when we start winning. I won't be excited about a draft, a coach, or about a new gm, or about anything until the Cleveland Browns start winning games.
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Not necessarily mutually exclusive.
But let me ask you this, if we're in the hunt for the playoff in week 14 in two years because of players he's drafted, if he finally answers the franchise QB problem, are you really going to care about what he says in an interview? Really?
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I'm pretty much done caring at this point. The problem with the team isn't going to change until Haslem is gone.I didn't like Lerner but we had a better chance of winning with Lerner than we do with Haslem.
My wife isn't from Ohio, and we live down South now, and she said something to me last year that is really starting to make since. The team I loved and rooted for as a kid died in 1995. This new thing might look the same, but it's just simply not. They are the definition of dysfunction and it starts at the top
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Not at all and as I said I'm actually glad he's making these picks. However, if you don't think we will be doing this all over in two years.....well we will have to disagree. The same lack of professionalism, lack of structure, and really just dysfunction still exist today as it has since Haslem bought the team. The names have changed but the personalities are the same.
You can be extremely talented in any business, but how you treat your peers and co-workers eventually bite you in the butt.
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Dorsey's comments don't bode well for DePodestaPosted by Mike Florio on December 14, 2017, 11:55 AM EST Last week, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said that both coach Hue Jackson and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta will return next year. It’s now looking less and less likely that at least one of them will be back. With new G.M. John Dorsey saying that the prior regime “didn’t get real players” and with DePodesta being a key piece of the prior regime, how can DePodesta remain? Why would he even want to? Consider the full quote: “You know what? I’ll come straight out with it. The guys who were here before, that system, they didn’t get real players.” Obviously, DePodesta is one of “guys who were here before.” And DePodesta is still there. Dorsey’s comments make it fairly clear that DePodesta won’t be for long. Sure, he can stick around and get paid to do something. Whatever he does, however, Dorsey clearly won’t be listening to the former baseball analytics expert’s opinion on football players. Or, if Dorsey does listen, he’ll be taking DePodesta’s recommendations and doing the opposite.
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This was said during his interview today on WKNR with Aaron Goldhammer. My takeaway when he said was that he just is brutally honest and isn't polished during interviews. He's not as tactful in his response. As he mentioned on CBD the other day, he is a really bad liar. Another interesting take away from the interview today, when asked if he could "categorically" state Hue will be back next year, he danced around the question and would not say yes.
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Dorsey's comments don't bode well for DePodestaPosted by Mike Florio on December 14, 2017, 11:55 AM EST Last week, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said that both coach Hue Jackson and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta will return next year. It’s now looking less and less likely that at least one of them will be back. With new G.M. John Dorsey saying that the prior regime “didn’t get real players” and with DePodesta being a key piece of the prior regime, how can DePodesta remain? Why would he even want to? Consider the full quote: “You know what? I’ll come straight out with it. The guys who were here before, that system, they didn’t get real players.” Obviously, DePodesta is one of “guys who were here before.” And DePodesta is still there. Dorsey’s comments make it fairly clear that DePodesta won’t be for long. Sure, he can stick around and get paid to do something. Whatever he does, however, Dorsey clearly won’t be listening to the former baseball analytics expert’s opinion on football players. Or, if Dorsey does listen, he’ll be taking DePodesta’s recommendations and doing the opposite. I think I mentioned this a little while back that Depodesta won't be here, people laughed.
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j/c...
The asked Dorsey about Kenny Britt being his first move, Dorsey flat out said, Kenny had a much higher opinion of himself than I did and he just not a part of the type of culture we're trying to build here. That was an easy move to make.
I like it.
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Exactly. Time for a paradigm shift...
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Yes, having someone who is more PC but can't do the job has worked out so well for us to this point. Exactly. Time for a paradigm shift...
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See, I'm not going to predict whether we'll be doing this again in two years or not. I think the place we only disagree is that you seem sure of it and I'm not sure either way. I always hope that the situation with the Browns will improve. While I'm not 100% sure whether the hiring of Dorsey is the answer, I have reason to believe that it's an improvement.
You see, I'm one of the holdouts who didn't buy into this FO being so loaded with people who relied so heavily on analytics. While I do believe it's a valuable tool, I felt we had too much analytics and not enough football minds in the equation.
I see exchanging a lawyer for a football guy as a very good chance at improvement. Many felt that way with Andrew Berry. Yet his experience was with evaluating pro personnel, not evaluating college talent for the draft. So if you're looking at FA acquisitions I believe he may have a great value. (Even though we ended up with Kenny Britt)
So I do see Dorsey as far more qualified for the position than Sashi was. That's not going to insure success, but it doesn't hurt to have a person running the show that's far more qualified to do the job.
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I think I mentioned this a little while back that Depodesta won't be here, people laughed. I wonder if that guy might have a better career in Baseball?
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Dorsey just broke the record for the most stupid tweet ever...
Lets get real players for HUE..
Next season we go 0-16 again and Hue can tell that fault is on Dorsey....
How can you be this stupid, boat is sinking and the rescuers tie themselves to the boat...
Even rats are smarter....
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To signal that we're going to rebuild everything, so that he has HIS guys. Again. Stand by to stand by.... heavy roster turnover is imminent. Again. Again. And again.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Dorsey just broke the record for the most stupid tweet ever...
Lets get real players for HUE..
Next season we go 0-16 again and Hue can tell that fault is on Dorsey....
How can you be this stupid, boat is sinking and the rescuers tie themselves to the boat...
Even rats are smarter.... This boats been on the bottom of Lake Erie for years...
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I wonder if that guy might have a better career in Baseball? He'd be money . . .
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See, I'm not going to predict whether we'll be doing this again in two years or not. I think the place we only disagree is that you seem sure of it and I'm not sure either way. I always hope that the situation with the Browns will improve. While I'm not 100% sure whether the hiring of Dorsey is the answer, I have reason to believe that it's an improvement.
You see, I'm one of the holdouts who didn't buy into this FO being so loaded with people who relied so heavily on analytics. While I do believe it's a valuable tool, I felt we had too much analytics and not enough football minds in the equation.
I see exchanging a lawyer for a football guy as a very good chance at improvement. Many felt that way with Andrew Berry. Yet his experience was with evaluating pro personnel, not evaluating college talent for the draft. So if you're looking at FA acquisitions I believe he may have a great value. (Even though we ended up with Kenny Britt)
So I do see Dorsey as far more qualified for the position than Sashi was. That's not going to insure success, but it doesn't hurt to have a person running the show that's far more qualified to do the job. The analytic guys were the ones who hired Hue... apparently a lawyer is not enough qualification to be part of the FO,but its good to chose the head Coach. Only a very good GM could buy almost 2 seasons for the worst coach in NFL history. Actually I think only the worst GM in the history of the NFL would hire and keep the worst coach in NFL history, and week in week out make excuses for the coach and the Worst Team in NFL history. But apparently Dorsey is on his way to break all Sachi's records.... Not sure any other coach could do a worst job than Hue's
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Dorsey gives me such strong Banner vibe.
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Unfortunately we are taking a step backward.
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Yeah, a football guy is a huge step backwards from a lawyer..... on a Football team. lmao
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Dorsey gives me such strong Banner vibe. I relate him more to Heckert. and that look back made me realize that we've had more GM's since The Return than most teams have had head coaches. The rate of turnover here has gone past being comical to the point of pathetic.
Browns is the Browns
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Hmmm. Heckert is a good comparison although Heckert didn't come here with some of the baggage that Dorsey does. Both were pretty good at talent evaluating and could be at times overly blunt. Another comparison is how Heckert had to align himself with Mangini for a year when it was painfully obvious that he wanted him gone, although to his and Dorsey's credit that said/are saying the right things.
Heckert might be the best comparison so far.
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Dorsey is going to find out that his generalizations will be interpreted by the media in a way he may not have intended.
He will find out in short order... 
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To be fair ... Sashi has a better winning percentage here than Dorsey does. 
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It doesn't help that all of our GMs and HCs have been at each others' throats.
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It doesn't help that all of our GMs and HCs have been at each others' throats. This tends to happen when the two are a forced marriage. I could be missing one, but I do not recall an instance since '99 where the GM was allowed to hire the coach. It's always been the owner or President picking the coach (save for Mangini picking his GM). Forced marriages are tough to make work.
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Mary Kay, Grossie & all the Cleveland media hacks are moist at the prospect of being able to sensationalize everything he says from now on. You go girls. 
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To be fair and accurate...the Moneyballer and lawyer took a bad team and made it worse!
..they made the Browns "the worst" team in the NFL, two years in a row (as of today).
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To be fair and accurate...the Moneyballer and lawyer took a bad team and made it worse!
..they made the Browns "the worst" team in the NFL, two years in a row (as of today). Or perhaps unfair and inaccurate.
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Mary Kay, Grossie & all the Cleveland media hacks are moist at the prospect of being able to sensationalize everything he says from now on. I think that's just it. He bluntly stated the obvious. We've had like 2 non-losing seasons since 1999, so it's pretty apparent that everyone since Dwight Clark hasn't exactly brought in the best football players. But everyone wants to read into it like it's some sort of indictment against the entire current roster, Sashi Brown and Paul Depodesta. I think it's more a case of him not choosing his words carefully, because he wasn't expecting it to be blown out of proportion.
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device..you ever heard it said...YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE"...
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device..you ever heard it said...YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE"... Well, on an individual basis, I guess I'm fortunate. My record is awesome.
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device..you ever heard it said...YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE"... Well, on an individual basis, I guess I'm fortunate. My record is awesome. My record keeps skipping, and sometimes it gets stuck in the same groove. And I lost my 45 adaptor.
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I think it's more a case of him not choosing his words correctly, because he wasn't expecting it to be blown out of proportion.
Dorsey is about to find out just how hungry the Browns fans and media are for ANY INFORMATION about the Browns. His words will be dissected and interpreted in lord knows how many languages... 
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I don't get the uproar over what was said.
I agree with your take.
He stated the obvious. If that is too hard to swallow for some then duck and cover.
I mean really. Since 1965 the Browns have for the most part been a bad team. Sipe and Kosar got close. But since 1999 the Browns have brought a new definition to the word bad.
Long ago I remember Jimmy Johnson saying the most important person in an organization is the guy who evaluates the talent. The title General Manager if the person has the authority and responsibility for the roster is the main character. Are their good head coaches and bad ones? Yes.
However, most head coaches can win if given the talent.
We will see what happens but at least Dorsey has a bonafide resume.
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It just puts the pressure squarely on him. I like that. Perform or be just another one of "those guys".
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device..you ever heard it said...YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE"... you ever heard it said... the HC is judged by record, the FO is judged by acquired talent.... guess not.
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device..you ever heard it said...YOU ARE WHAT YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE"... Like Hues record but he is still here? 1-28 worse than Sashis record.
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You people crack me up. Every person in on this board has bashed this team, and every person on this board one way or another has admitted we have a HUGE lack of talent. As soon as someone official says it, ya'll get in an uproar. lol
Hes right, we have a bunch of (mostly offensive side) HS athletes trying to play NFL. Goodbybe Higgins, Goodbye Louis, Goodbye Treggs, etc.
Its time to hold these kids accountable for the money they are being paid. Not one person on this team is worth their contract. NOT ONE, Joe Thomas included until they start winning!
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