DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum A John Dorsey-Alex Smith reunion in Cleveland makes a lot of sense

AMEN, PRAISE THE LORD, and PREACH IT BROTHER

And when Hue gets let go in 3 weeks, we are in total blowup mode again. A new coaching scheme and players that we invested in not fitting that scheme. We do the same things over and over again and expect different results.

What in the hell does that have to do with the original plan

Nothing. We gave up on the original plan when we let Sashi go. Three year plans only work when you don't change the guys running those plans every one or two years.

We might get lucky and the new coaches will not turn over a bunch of players and the new GM won't trade away the future to win a few more games now. We'll see, but our luck making regime changes hasn't been very good so far.

IMO, Sashi was a fine strategist; Dorsey seems more of a tactician...

Correct......

are we just guessing Hue is going to be fired? or did something get leaked that I missed?

Dorsey won't commit to say he's willing to keep Hue around next year. I don't blame him either. Hue submarined the last guy and Dorsey had power struggles with his last coach.

JC: Alex Smith looked pretty good tonight. He's only 32 still I believe. Turns 33 this spring. Same age as me.


I think he has another good three years in him probably. He'll lose more mobility over time, but the more time he spends in the NFL, the better he'll understand defenses.


I think he's my top choice as a veteran QB to pick up

What's the most you would pay him?

ahh so a prediction it is...ok I see your line of thought.

It will be somewhere around $20 Million. He is listed as in the top 10 of QBs in the NFL in QBR and other stats. It will be on par with new contract of starting NFL QBs. I would build it so the agreement is a front-end contract with a huge signing bonus.

What is the team's ceiling with Alex Smith at QB?

8 wins in my thinking

If we sign Alex Smith, do we pass on a QB with the first overall pick?

oh hell no lol not a chance.

I don't think we should, but would we?

here is the thing, we will never know if Sashi would have taken a QB #1 overall or not...I'm thinking he would have but idk.

so now we are going to find out what we have in our new GM. I would hope he would be getting one #1 overall.

It will depend on who Dorsey is able to acquire in the draft and FA. FA would be more of a factor.
Alex Smith would change the perception of the team to FAs.

As with any QB, it depends on how 'compatible' his skillset is within Hue's system...

No, it's just wishful thinking for those who loved Sashi. There are no guarantees that Hue will be fired.

Here is what I have read:

--Haslam said Hue is returning next year.

--Dorsey has praised Hue and said it was nice to talk to a real football guy like Hue. That was a shot at Andy Reid. LOL

--Dorsey said he has to get Hue some real players.

--Dorsey noted that the team is playing really hard for Hue.

--Dorsey refused to say that Hue will be back for sure next year.

--Dorsey has criticized the former front offices for the players they brought in.

My speculation is that Hue will be back next year. Changing schemes and everything else that goes w/a coaching change will probably only delay the chance of us winning next year. Of course, there are games remaining this year and this team might implode. The team could mutiny. Hue could get arrested or something. He could punch Kizer in the face. Who knows? LOL

Dorsey would be a fool to commit 100% to Hue returning in 2018. However, I think the odds are better that he returns than is fired. I could be wrong, but that is just how I see things after reading all the comments from the principle people involved in this decision.

Hue has had success w/very different types of quarterbacks in his career. Andy Dalton is nothing like Joe Flacco. AJ Mccarron is nothing like Carson Palmer. Jason Campbell is different from all of them.

I do think Hue really likes an accurate quarterback. I think Smith is pretty accurate.

I still have my doubts about us going after Smith because I think we will draft Rosen and he is going to be ready to start day one.

Now, if we don't draft Rosen and pick a developmental guy, Smith would make more sense and fit in just fine in Hue's offense.

Very good possibility. Folks will wish it ain't so, but it certainly increases the odds and we could be heading for another Brownsing of the draft.

I think it is a pretty safe bet would go qb at #1 no matter if it was Sashi or Dorsey.

Agreed. No matter which one would have been responsible, the need at QB rules supreme...

Maybe, maybe not. It looks like we have but only time will tell. this off season was/is already set up with the draft and the signing of free agents to provide the Browns with a lot more improvement to the players we can put on the field.



This was a 5 year plan not a three year plan. Nobody in the front office planned on winning 4 or more games this season, and no more than 6 to 8 games next season.



IF let me repeat that "IF" there is a new head coach.



Agreed 110 percent bro.

Smith would be an upgrade over any QB we've had since Bernie by a lot. If we can bring in Smith next year that would be great. I would still draft a QB with the first pick and let him and Kiser sit and learn. I think this could be a real possibility.

Just trying to read the tea leaves about how Dorsey wants to win right away, I'd say a veteran QB will be brought in, possibly Smith. Maybe the best case scenario for that would be to get Smith, draft the heir apparent, but maybe that's not Rosen. Take Barkley early and maybe Allen(he seems to have all the tools Dorsey likes, big arm, mobility). It will all depend on who Dorsey likes,I guess. We don't know what Dorsey will do.

I'm on board with that...

Campaign for it? Have you even been following this team since 1999? It's like what we do! All anyone had to do is watch how Haslam has operated this mess since 1999 to figure out how this was going to end. There have been two versions of this form beginning in 1999. Dawg Talk and Dawgtalkers. I've been on a version of this forum ever since the come back in 1999.

Now that doesn't make me a better poster or some kind of better fan. But what it does do is allow me to understand how these forums work with fans.

Vers told you and others who don't know, just how this works now and has worked since the very beginning under Haslam. Even that blind squirrel that only gets lucky and finds a nut once in a while could have told you how this wold turn out.

The ONLY question is which one of Sashi or Hue would be the fall guy, if not both. While some tried to stand up for Haslam and say he would stick with the plan, I think deep in their hearts they knew better and it was only wishful thinking. It's what has always happened here and in Berea. People pick someone to lay blame on. They pick a side. Haslam is a marketing guy. They live and breathe looking for instant gratification. They can give you a better "fan experience" at the stadium. They can give you new uniforms. Hell, they may even up giving you cheerleaders before it's over.

What they can't give you is patience. What they can't do is stick to a long term plan. I have said it from day one when Haslam bought this team. He has never built a product. The diesel fuel he sold was provided to him. All he had to do was ,market a product someone else provided him with.

Just because someone told you it would happen doesn't really mean anything except they've been watching this crap storm from the beginning. They know how the fans react and how Haslam reacts as well.

It isn't a campaign or rocket science. It's simply having a firm grasp of the obvious.

I think Dorsey might bring in OC Matt Nagy as head coach along with Alex Smith to groom Baker. Get Barkley and it is on in the AFC north. I'm not one of these clowns that think we are a long way from winning the AFC north. This is just opinion of course!

To add on to what you said. I wasn't campaigning for Sashi to be fired. I even had something about no more firings in my sig for quite awhile.

I will say that if it came down to either Hue or Sashi, there is no doubt in my mind that it had to be Sashi.

Saying Sashi sucks but you don't want to fire him, is campaigning for it while trying to appear that you aren't campaigning for it. Cheering once he is fired is just validating that your objective was met. Not understanding that set the ball in motion to Hue's firing at the end of the season is just not thinking far enough ahead.

Some decisions get made whether that's actually what you want or not. Some of us knew this season would be bad. Maybe not this bad, but pretty bad none the less. Some of us also knew that when that happens, somebody either on the coaching staff or in the FO possibly both gets sacrificed.

At that juncture, people have decide for themselves which they feel is the weakest link. That doesn't mean you want someone fired. It means if someone has to be fired, who would you prefer that to be?

I believe exchanging an attorney for a true football guy was the lesser of the two evils. I really didn't trust Sashi to handle the QB situation. I don't believe the smartest way to go about that is from a moneyball perspective.

I think all of us knew this season would be bad. It was the plan to rip it down to the studs and load up on picks and cap space. The smart thing to do was to keep the continuity until this draft panned out. Now that you got what you wanted, don't be surprised when Hue is handed his walking papers. No self respecting GM is going to keep a 1-30 head coach with a history of wanting more power and torpedoing his GM. Enjoy the blow up this year. I wonder if we switch back to a 3-4?

Here is what kills me..........when I said that losing so many games would lead to the blame game, a lot of the Sashi crowd ridiculed me.

Well, it doesn't really kill me because I have seen this movie before and knew this crap would happen yet again.

Sure they did.

You get ridiculed because of how you act in public, not because of something that you think is a brilliant prediction even though your prediction was wrong. You stated over and over again that Hue would be made the scapegoat and didn't once think that Sashi would be the one that had to fall on his sword.

The only reason that Sashi was fired was because Hue forced Jimmy's hand and destroyed that consistency that most posters were looking for.

If you don't believe me that you get ridiculed because of how you act in public, I can provide quotes from many posters here.

As far as you being a liar, did you not just respond to me when you vowed to never do so?

Actually, I distinctly remember Vers saying this exact stuff as far back as April because I was saying it, too.... and, yes, people were scoffing at it.

Bunch of short-sighted folks whining about losing in a season where EVERYONE *KNEW* we'd be losing a ton.... but, the public must have their sacrifice!