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I see a Alex Smith thread and a Keesum thread but I wanted to start this thread a while ago.
Now that we have hired Dorsey....I'm pretty sure (90%) that we will be acquiring a Bridge QB. The only guy I'm actually discarding would be Cousins. I think he is looking to be a long term starting QB and will want a contract that depicts that.
As much as I am certain that we will get a Bridge QB I'm 99.9%
Certain we will be drafting in the first round a Franchise QB prospect in 2018. That will automatically negate Cousins as a option. Mutual option as I know he won't want to come here as a Bridge QB and it would be very unwise to give a large contract to a temp.
So we have two options. FA QB acquisition or a QB via trade acquisition.
1. Brees if he becomes available...would take a lot to get him to leave NO area...but his family could stay there.
2. Bridgewater...his contract I believe is up and could be available if not #3 or #4 options would be, one them will be available.
3. Sam Bradford...although a risk due to his injury history still the guy is one of the most accurate QBs out there.
4. Case Keenum...every thing Hoyer brought but no choke involved... and noted one of the 3 will be available odds are at least 2 will become available.
5. McCown...Jets will probably not let him go but it was one of the reasons that Sashi got fired if you ask me and a definite mistake. No way Kizer should have started game 1...McCown should have been our QB!
6. Jay Cutler...got his taste of QB again and I don't know if he will go with TV analysts again or give it another shot.
It would have to be a major sell job for us to get him and we would have to give a boat load for 2 seasons.
7. Bortles...it is stated that he will be released after the season. If that is so is he a good Bridge QB...I see him as Kizer in year 5 not year 2...to me they are one in the same just more experience.
the next grouping would be Trades. We have to be reasonable,
no we will not get Brady in a trade....
1. McCarron, will be an RFA that I'm sure the Bengals will tag with a first round compensation...then again they are pretty cheap so who knows. We possibly will trade a 2nd and 3rd (don't know how Dorsey will feel about it) for the rights ???
2. Eli Manning, on his last legs if they start dumping that would be a good place to start. Question is for how much...2018 2nd rounder and a 2019 pick??? Our 2nd round pick would be #33 and very enticing. He has 2 years on his contract.
3. Phillip Rivers...my personal favorite to have for 2 years,
love this guy. So tough and so good. Under rated if you ask me.
4. Alex Smith...Could be an excellent fit something I would do in a heart beat if we are talking 4th rounder or so. But probably would take a 2nd rounder at least.
5. Mike Glennon...  Well he would be available...
Well there are more but I don't think would be wanted or considered.
What are your favorites?
What are your thoughts on the most probable?
Keep in mind we will be drafting a first round QB so we will not be trading a First round pick!
I hope we don't try to fix this without getting our own Franchise QB prospect in the draft. Unless somehow Kizer studs out enough for us to just go with FA/Trade QB in that case Cousins moves to the top of the list.
Lets keep this in pure football mode of discussion. thank you
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Rivers? Hell I would take him in a NY minute. But I do not see him leaving.
Alex Smith looks like a fit for many reasons. Obviously Dorsey knows the guy. He would know coming here what his role would be. He is a proven winner. He is a west coast quick strike quarterback. He could run Hue's offense (the deep ball is overstated). Especially with a RB like Barkley if we could get him with the second pick.
I don't think Teddy is a match. I love the young man but he would have to pass a physical and don't believe he fits as a bridge.
Bradford? Maybe. If he were to get hurt Kizer would there as well as the draft pick.
The rest I don't see.
Kizer has a chance to impress Dorsey. We shall see how that goes.
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I'm hoping we draft Rosen and hand him the keys. I do think that if we draft Rosen, bringing in a guy like Stanton or Moore as our 3rd qb and vet presence would be a good move.
If we don't draft Rosen, the move of bringing in a bridge qb would become a lot more viable in my mind.
I have no idea what we will do, but those are just my opinions on what I would do.
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I believe I have your back on this one Vers. No bridges please. I believe the "let them sit and learn" is old NFL. Most of these kids are ready to roll and learn if they've got the right stuff. I've learned very little watching someone do something their way.
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We have to be reasonable. . .
We should trade for Philip Rivers!
(Who is not available. At all.)
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I believe I have your back on this one Vers. No bridges please. I believe the "let them sit and learn" is old NFL. Most of these kids are ready to roll and learn if they've got the right stuff. I've learned very little watching someone do something their way. That worked so well for Manziel and Kizer. What could go wrong?
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This coaching staff does not have the luxury of a bridge QB.
Whoever they draft #1 overall is starting day one.
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I guess they didn't have the right stuff! Manziel sure didn't mentally and it's looking like kizers accuracy will be his undoing.
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This coaching staff does not have the luxury of a bridge QB.
Whoever they draft #1 overall is starting day one. This coaching staff is gone already. The new one has time. At least a year.
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I don’t want a bridge qb. Unless you mean Bridgewater lol. We need a coordinator that can game plan to match our skills. Love or hate the Patriots you have to admit they manage their talent. Draft a solid QB with proven success and build a game plan that matches his skill set and also develop those skills and build from them. We don’t need a bridge QB, we do need a seasoned veteran QB in the room to be a clipboard holder and mentor helping the younger QB adapt to the NFL.
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I don't think we are firing the coach.
And as per thread topic, I think instead of a bridge QB, draft a guy 1st overall - I don't know if it'll be this Rosen guy or another - and roll with him.
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I'm tired of constantly firing people - coaches, front office etc.
Hire - 2 years, fire. Wash rinse and repeat, ad nauseum.
Tired of it.
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1. Brees if he becomes available...would take a lot to get him to leave NO area...but his family could stay there.
Really? I'd go after 1989 Joe Montana.
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We might fire the coaching staff, but as of right now, the overall evidence is that they will back. One poster saying that they will be fired over and over and over does not make it reality.
And again......we might fire them. I'm not saying we wont. I a just saying that to state it as a fact is wrong.
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I think we need a veteran QB. Whether he's a bridge or a back up depends on who we draft. If Rosen is the guy we might not need a bridge. If we draft anyone else, I think we do. Either way, some experience in the QB room is in order. Two years from now we can probably be comfortable with whomever we draft as the #1 and Kizer as the backup.
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Well, if we have anything to do with a bridge I wouldn't want to cross it. It'll probably be flawed and collapse!!!
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Yeah, the announcers made a point that guys like Diam and I have made all year..............going w/three inexperienced qbs wasn't smart and we could benefit from having a vet in the qb room.
What they didn't mention was that our three guys have never won one single NFL games. How smart was that by Sashi?
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I really Hope either: 1. We make a trade with the Colts for Andrew Luck 2. We let the Skins franchise Cousins then we trade for him with a new contract 3. We get AJ McCarron via Fa or Trade NONE of the Qb coming out next year are ready to start day one...none of them. There is no Andrew Luck type of QB coming out this year...Rosen isn't half the talent Luck was coming out of the draft in 2012...taking a QB #1 overall with the current state of this franchise will be a HUGE mistake. When your drafting #1 overall you take BPA NO MATTER WHAT REGARDLESS OF POSITION. You don't overthink this, you can't afford to screw this up...you turn in the card for Saquon Barkley and you don't look back. He is the BEST player in the entire draft. On every single experts draft board Barkely is #1 Hell Sports Illustrated has Josh Rosen ranked as the 6th best player in the draft, Sam Darnold, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Arden Key, and Derwin James are all higher rated then Rosen. The NFL changing, you can build a franchise around a guy like Barkley. Barkley will be more of a game changer then Marshall Faulk was...he will be good for 1200-1300 yards rushing and 900-1100 yards receiving AND can return punts or kicks at a high level...this guy can dominate as so many things...Barkley makes an average NFL QB look like a GREAT NFL QB....this guy is a bvona fide play maker...he may even be more talented then Adrian Peterson...we would be stupid to not turn in the card on this guy at #1 because if we don't, SF most certinaly will at #2 they are not stupid. We can get a QB with the pick we get from Houston or move up a few spots with that pick to take a Qb but you gotta take Barkley...ya have too...Barkley IS the Andrew Luck of this draft...its literally the Barkley Sweepstakes for the #1 pick....Barkley is an every down player, he will change games, he can potentially change this entire organization.... get a QB in FA, and use the Houston pick and that other draft capital to move up and get a QB...but no way you risk not getting Barkley...at worst you take Barkley and roll with a Fa QB and Kizer....none of the Qb this year are Luck type of talents, taking the 6th best player available at #1 is something only the foolish Browns would even consider. I was foolish last year for wanting Trubs over Garret...Garret was clearly the better overall talent...just like Barkley is the best available talent this year...he will be an important piece in changing the Browns fortunes...please don't screw this up Dorsey...we are getting a Barry Sanders type of talent tossed in our laps...guys like this only come out once every 15 or so years...please don't screw this up...
“You can build an offense around him,” said one AFC exec of Barkley. “He’s so f---ing good. Zeke is solid in all areas. Fournette is a special athlete for the position. This kid? He’s way better than both of them . . . He’s a step above Zeke in all categories, and has much better hands and feet and vision than Fournette does. He’s special. I haven’t seen a better college football player.”
“When I first saw Zeke, it was his explosion from the line to the second level that was rare, and Saquon’s is probably a little better,” said another NFC personnel director. “There’s something different about this guy, he has rare things about him—his explosion, his balance, his vision, his ability to cut laterally. Someone hits him and he lands on his feet. And he’s tougher than s---. He steps up in pass protection.”
“If you look you at it from our perspective, the ideal back today has to be able to do everything,” said an AFC college scouting director. “There’s not great value in the first- and second-down back anymore, or a guy who’s just a third-down scatback. You want a guy who does everything. And that’s Zeke, it’s Mixon, and it’s Saquon Barkley.”
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umm, why do you want to trade for a QB with a busted shoulder?
sup with people around here wanting to trade for damaged goods?
we already had one say they want to trade for Sam Bradford.
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NONE of the Qb coming out next year are ready to start day one...none of them.
Rosen is.
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umm, why do you want to trade for a QB with a busted shoulder?
sup with people around here wanting to trade for damaged goods?
we already had one say they want to trade for Sam Bradford.
Well trading for Luck he would have to pass a physical mind you. Im not sure a deal like that would get done. I mean what i say about Barkley though...we would be fools not to turn in the card, I don't care what they say about RB that guy will change everything for the Browns...you can build your team around him....he is that good...he will be the biggest playmaker the Browns have had since Jim Brown would any of you pass on drafting Jim Brown #1 overall? Barkley has the potential to be nearly as good as Brown was...we would be absolutely inept if we don't turn in the card...he won't get past San fran at #2 I guarantee it...when your at #1 overall, you can't pass on the drafts best player, especially not a guy that will touch the ball 30-40 times a game via run and receving along with punts or kick returns...Barkley is special...he ins't your normal RB...he is an All purpose yards machine...he will touch the ball just as much as the Qb will...he is with the number one selction...he will make a BIG impact for us day one.
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i'm on board with barkley, so you get no argument from me.
but this is a bridge QB thread, which is why i commented on trading for QB's like luck.
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I would give the #1 + a 2 or 3 for Luck if he is healthy ...
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NONE of the Qb coming out next year are ready to start day one...none of them.
Rosen is. I disagree He isn't even in the same room as Luck(the last Franchise QB to come out of the draft) he is a 2-3 year project. If we draft him I am patient enough to give the kid 2-3 years..the majority of the Browns fan base is not...if we draft him we are setting the kid up to fail. he won't have the tools around him. you take Barkley...the consensus BPA, then you move up with the Houston pick and take either Rosen or Darnold(we have the draft capital to move up if need be) i still think we are better off with someone via FA...I have always been really high on AJ McCarron...the kid is a winner and i'd love to have him here in Cleveland...I think he could win a lot of games for us...I like him just as much as i liked Garrapollo and they both have similiar talent levels...it seems like McCarron is open to wanting to come here...i;d take him over any QB coming out...especially if we end up keeping Jackson as McCarron knows Jackson's offense and can hit the ground running...with a back like Barkley behind Mccarron...we would have something special..
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I would be happy with either Smith or Keenum. We will be taking a QB with the first pick and the temptation to play him right away would not be there if we have a good quality QB in place.
I just want a winner. We need players who can be part of the solution not part of the problem.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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umm, why do you want to trade for a QB with a busted shoulder?
sup with people around here wanting to trade for damaged goods?
Not to mention, Chris Mortensen reported today it's possible that Luck may now require bicep surgery. Link
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but....
Why do we need a bridge QB when we have Kizer?
Even if we draft a QB, Kizer will be fine to play next year.
Only sucky QBs on the market will agree to come to Cleveland, so...
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it is not a dumb question, Eve.
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If Hue and the coaches are coming back, with no other changes than the Gm so far.
Then Austin Davis.
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you take Barkley...the consensus BPA, then you move up with the Houston pick and take either Rosen or Darnold(we have the draft capital to move up if need be)
If Barkley was consensus BPA, he would have won the Heisman, He's not a Qb, either he can run or not.
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Mayfield can start week one. So could Rosen. I'd consider either, but Mayfield is better.
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When has Mayfield made post snap reads and went through progressions like what is required in an NFL offense?
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When his primary receiver was covered.
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If we are picking from the two.
Rosen all day long.
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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Taking a running back #1 still being discussed. WOW!!!!
Unbelievable, this franchise and it's fans will NEVER learn!
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Tab... the real answer is that it doesn't matter. As long as the person is a competent QB. That is what this team has really needed for a long time...not necessarily the "Savior of the Browns".
If the FA pick up is a placeholder, then the focus should be on the incoming rookie. And everyone needs to pay attention. Let's not start falling in love with rookie QBs (Rosen, Mayfield, Barkley). They all have serious flaws (The QB draft this year is loaded with them). Buyer beware!!!!
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you take Barkley...the consensus BPA, then you move up with the Houston pick and take either Rosen or Darnold(we have the draft capital to move up if need be)
If Barkley was consensus BPA, he would have won the Heisman, He's not a Qb, either he can run or not. Myles Garret didn't win the Heisman either yet he was the BPA across the entire draft board. Barkley is that right now and its not going to change. Even Kiper is saying Barkley is a generational talent and challenges everything he thinks about taking a RB high...the kid is special. He is a Top 2 pick, if we don't take him at 1 San Fran will take him at #2 im 99% certain on that. This kid is the real deal. there hasn't bewen a back come out like this kid since...gosh.. Barry Sanders and Bo Jackson...since Marshall Faulk and he may end up being just as good as those guys were...we would be nuts to pass on him...completely nuts.
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