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Ok lets take the Pittsburgh/New England game. I don't know if you saw it but Pitt TE Jesse James caught the ball but when he caught it he dove for the end zone and the ball moved in his hands when he hit the ground they called it a catch then reviewed it and saw that it moved in his hands and called it incomplete. Now if he hadn't dove for the end zone and just went down where he caught it the Steelers would have had the ball at the half yard line and probably would have scored a TD and won the game instead they lost all because James tried to score and the ball moved when he doved hands first for the end zone. If he hadn't dove it would have been a catch but because he was trying to score, which is the intent of the game, it was incomplete because the ball moved after his hands hit the ground.


I did see the game, and I agreed with the call. James tried to score before he secured the ball. In the process, he lost control of the ball and allowed it to touch the ground and it was ruled incomplete. It is the receiver's job to secure the catch and then try to score. He tried to do too much and it cost him and his team.

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Originally Posted By: dawg66
If the guy has total control of the ball but it moves when he hits the ground how did the ground assist him with the catch? It used to be that the ground couldn't cause a fumble but apparently it can turn a catch into an incompletion.


For it to be a catch, the ball can't hit the ground. That has always been the case. If the guy takes 4 steps, falls, and then the ball moves when it hits the ground, it's obviously a catch. If in the process of making the catch the player falls and the ball moves when it hits the ground, it's not a catch.

If a player catches a pass and a defensive player knocks the ball out after a few steps, it's a fumble after a catch. If the defensive player knocks the ball out in the process of the catch, it's incomplete. Same concept with the ground.


Actually it can hit the ground but as long as the WR has control of it when it does hit its a catch...example:
catch is made and WR goes prone hands are on each "SIDE"
of the ball not top or bottom and the ball touches the ground when the WR goes to the ground...but the ball does not dislodge in any way Then even though the ball actually hits/touches the ground its still a catch. James lost control of the ball as it dislodged from his hands and he used the ground to get the grasp back on it. That is why it was not a catch.

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I like the rule as it is. Although, I think double clutching should be considered as a football move.

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