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Technically, the play-calling would be considered football by many.

This is a great point, Pastor. Other than the record of the team, the most important stat in football is turnover differential.

During the game, I think we heard that we are last in the leauge at this all-important stat. Did I hear that right?

4th and two QB sneak was it a good call? Run the Crow?

And as a former player and coach, I see no problems w/the play calling other than I would have run Crow more than Duke.

You keep focusing on the inane, I will focus on reality.

if we're complaining about our QB throwing, then we really don't have a QB.

its a recurring theme around here, and it makes no sense.

if your QB can't make basic reads, basic throws, etc, then you don't have one.

in hindsight, i'm glad Hue makes Kizer throw, because we are all clear that we need a QB because he isn't the answer.

it might be frustrating during gametime, but even weeden could make the basic throws that Kizer simply could not. Weeden showed way more promise when he started day one as a rookie, and he was trash.

Kizer makes me long for Weeden and McCoy.

I hope Hue is traded to Cincy.

I'm not sure if he is a good coach or not. And I think there is merit to sticking with the coaching staff. Same coaches, same systems, continuity, less to learn, etc.

But I also think starting over can breath some life into this team. And I don't think the forced marriage of Hue and Dorsey has a better than 50/50 chance of ending well. Why would Haslam hire a GM under the condition that he has to stick with the coach? That makes no sense to me. Haslam is an incompetent buffoon and power hungry ego maniac that needs everyone reporting to him. He is at the root of the problem. Dorsey will fail. Whoever is the coach next year will fail. Until Haslam becomes a silent owner, everyone will fail.

So I like the idea of starting over with a fresh slate next year in spite of Haslam - we can't change his ego maniac ways. I don't know if Hue is a good dude or not, but the media leaks, the admission that he can't coach up guys without talent or that fit his system, using Mary Kay as a mouthpiece to change the narrative, etc. have just soured me on the guy.

The stench of losing is too strong. Scrap it. Try to identify the next McVay and hire him. I would love to be McDaniels 2nd stop. Don't overthink the draft. Rosen and Barkley or Chubb with the second pick.

I just think a fresh start is best for everyone. If Cincy will give you picks for Hue, even better.

Great, you were a player, and a coach. Since I've never read your resume, please illuminate me on your playing and coaching history. That will give me a reference point to view your posts.

As to "inane", many would consider the plan of attack, as if were, to defeating the other team, to be quite important.

You make a good point about Hue asking Kizer to play like a real NFL qb.

This was a throw-away year according to the owner and Sashi. They didn't expect to win. Why not evaluate what you have at qb?

I sometimes think Kize has it.

Other times, his horrible accuracy and locking in on receivers and refusal to go through his progressions make me think he has no chance. I can live w/his stupid ass decisions because that is easier to improve w/experience, but the other two...........ehhhhh........I'm not so sure.

I would not give up on him, but we gotta draft a qb number one.

If anyone has watched Garoppolo the past few weeks and listened to guys like bonefish, Razon, and me were saying about his accuracy.............you will have noticed the amazing accuracy. It leads to YAC, which is huge. Rosen is very similar and he should be the choice in my opinion.

at this point, whoever we draft #1 overall better be the answer.

if that is Rosen then so be it. i'm fed up and i couldn't even comment during the game on gameday thread like i normally do.

if rosen doesn't have accuracy issues then draft him so that Gordon and Coleman have a real QB tossing the rock.

Nothing spectacular. I was a QB and RB in middle school and high school and a RB in college.

I coached HS ball for years and later worked for a collegiate scouting service.

You can mock that. LOL........it's fine. But, I know the game and I think most long-time posters on here recognize that.

I think our issues have way more to do w/execution than design.

Bro..........did you see those three crossing routes that Gordon, Duke, and Coleman ran? All 3 were completions, but Duke had to dive and it was reviewed, Gordon and Coleman both had had to change their body positions and none of them got YAC.

I was thinking about how Rosen leads dudes perfectly and how those plays would have all been huge gainers. It's like Jimmy G.........you are coming around on him, right? He leads dudes almost perfectly. It's freaking huge, bro.

Isaiah Crowell notches Browns player of the game against Ravens

http://brownswire.usatoday.com/2017/12/1...against-ravens/

Question: don't you think that execution and design go hand in hand? If the design can't be executed, is it a design flaw or an execution flaw? Honest question.

yea so far i was wrong on Jimmy. but if the reports are to believed, we wasn't gonna get him anyway. sucks but oh well.

but yea that's been a problem all season with Kizer. granted, Bums like Louis and Britt certainly didn't help with drops, but Coleman, Duke, and now Gordon have to put on their best Megatron impression to catch passes that should've been easy completions.

we can't blame the WR's anymore for Kizer sucking. this is now 100% all on him.

Rosen is a natural passer.

Kizer is a thrower.

Big difference.

I think Darnold is somewhere in between. I don't understand the reports that Darnold has a higher ceiling than Rosen. I don't know what that's based on. Heck, I would argue that Mayfield is a more natural passer than Darnold.

Not sure how I'd feel about the Browns taking Darnold over Rosen. If it comes to light there really are concerns about Rosen's character, then I guess I could see it. But that would be a complete bummer.

I think the Browns could win 6-8 games with Rosen next year.

Garrapolo is so good, and he should be a Brown.

So disheartening.

Sashi just failed to understand one simple truth about the NFL - you can't win without a QB.

I just don't understand why that was so hard to figure out. It's been that way for 20 years. He should have been on the phone every day with Bill until Bill refused to take his calls. We should have read reports about how annoyed Bill was with Sashi calling all the time. He should have showed up at Bill's house on his doorstep unannounced. It should have gotten to the point that Bill wanted to get a restraining order against him.

But alas, sitting on draft picks and cap space was more important.

I hope during the 0-16 parade that there is a piñata of Sashi and every single person in attendance gets to take a wack at it.

Good Lord! Chubb the Running back from Georgia
, please stay as far away from him as possible.

No he shouldn’t be a Brown. We picked Gilbert, Manziel and Bitonio before he was selected. We had 3 opportunities to pick him. We failed to make him a Brown when we held all the cards.

Good question. As a playcaller, you want to identify your players strenths and where you can exploit the defense w/those strenghts and more importantly, their weaknesses.

I have seen some bad playcalling over the years in the NFL, but not all that often. Caldwell in Detroit sucks big time. The dude in Dallas isn't very good. How do you not provide help to a LT who is getting destroyed? McAdoo in NY put his team in bad spots......but mostly, it's give and take.

There are a couple of geniuses. I would put Shanny at the top of the list.

Hue would rank in my top third in the league. He is great at scheming and creating mismatches. He has some flaws, just like every other dude has. For example, running Duke more than Crow today was a mistake. Crow was killing it. I like Duke as a change of pace back........not an every down back.

Taylor had been dealing an injury all week...

Kyle Kelly
@KyleKellyCLE
Mike Jordan is starting at CB for Jamar Taylor. Taylor is active but is dealing with a foot injury.

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Our corners aren't good.

I actually think Boddy-Calhoun is good, and I don't understand why he doesn't start on the outside, unless there is literally no one else who can play inside. I think he's kind of a Leigh Bodden hidden gem guy who can be really, really good.

I hope we sign someone in FA and draft a CB with one of the first four picks.

Bradley Chubb - NC State

I think BBC was inactive today due an injury.

Kizer is not ready to be a starter in this league, and I doubt highly he will improve his accuracy. He is what he is, and that is not a good passer.
Williams defense again makes a star out of a 40 tear old TE. Seemed like 20 screens, and we only stopped one.

Either Crow was hurt or Hue is a dumbass.

Next week we give Trubisky his coming out party. He will have a career day.

No wins is what they will achieve.

I have been trying not to put this on Jackson, but this game makes me wonder if he might be more of the problem than I thought.

That said, where/why do you think the disconnect is from whiteboard to on the field results?

Well, they should put all the game balls away. Miserable performance.

Early line is Chicago -7

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That's an interesting spread.

I'm kind of surprised by that.

I would expect to see that number come down as the week goes on.

I mean it's Kizer vs. Trubisky. Honestly, that thing could go either way.

Kizer v. Trubisky. Man, that's the kind of legendary face off that the NFL dreams about.

that'll be about right probably

Didn't Chicago blow out Cincy?

Lack of experience and veteran leadership.

The three fans left in the stadium got game balls.

Do you have a link that confirms there were only 3 fans left in the stadium or are you just taking another cheap shot at Hue?

You can pick up a playbook from any scheme and the plays you'll find will all work when properly executed.

Playcalling is art/science. The playcaller has to understand which plays their guys can execute well enough to call in a game.

If a playcaller calls a play that the team executed well in practice but botched during the game then the 1st time its on the players. You figure out what went wrong. I repeat, you must identify and address the point/s of failure before you call that play again. If you correct the issues and call it again and it fails then its on both you and the players. But if you can't identify or correct the execution failures and you call the play again expecting it to work then its a coaching problem.

that's my view anyhow....

I'd believe it, since I was informed today, at the bar, that dude has never seen a browns fan before lol.

We are like unicorns, nobody sees us ever.

2 more into and a fumble.

I am just wondering if any you watch the game w/an open mind?

I ask this because how did you all miss the open receivers that Kizer just missed due his inaccuracy?

How many runs did we have after Crowell's big run?