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So this is a regular thing? Oh dear god.  j/k Cold weather? All about the layers. Well, not just about the layers, it's about the right layers.
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So this is a regular thing? Oh dear god. j/k Cold weather? All about the layers. Well, not just about the layers, it's about the right layers. Let's see...Under Armour long sleeve tee, Brooks Brothers dress shirt, logo fleece...top it off with an Armani jacket?
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 What is he wearing? Is he wearing a t-shirt over a collared shirt? How can expect this person to make good decisions if he dresses like this? 
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Think of it as a sweater, not a sweatshirt, over a collared shirt.
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Not as trashy as Billy B looks for the Pats. If we win, he can wear anything he wants. Fine by me.
On a flip side, you can be a sick clothes horse named Cam and not win enough . .. .
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... except it's a sweatshirt...
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What is he wearing? Is he wearing a t-shirt over a collared shirt? How can expect this person to make good decisions if he dresses like this? Maybe it was a little cooler than he hoped and threw on a sweat shirt. The high there today was near normal at 61 or so.....but it's been cold, the low was probably a little cooler than normal. Might have dropped to the low 40's
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j/c: Why the Browns Made the Right Decision To Not Fire Hue Jackson By JOE THOMAS January 23, 2018 In 2016 and ’17, the Cleveland Browns went 1–31. One win in two seasons. When you look at the record on it's own, it’s abysmal. Horrible. Monumentally poor. But I’m glad that the Browns, a team I’ve proudly spent my entire pro career with, decided to retain Hue Jackson as head coach after two awful seasons in the standings. It wouldn’t be fair to judge Hue based on his record after just two seasons because few NFL teams have put themselves at such a disadvantage in order to save assets and focus on winning three or four years down the road. When Hue was hired as head coach, he had no understanding that management was going to trade all their good players and current draft picks for future picks. The front office’s strategy was to save as much cap space as possible over two years, get rid of almost all the veteran free agents and compound draft picks for future years. The guys in charge realized that if the team was willing to accept two really horrible years, we could get some top-five picks, and if we trade one to somebody else, were going to get two first rounders in the future and so on. As the head coach, Hue was expected to hold the team together, develop players and get them to play hard—when everyone in the building knew the front office put us in the best position to lose. It’s hard to split hairs on that comment. Ultimately the degree of losing became simply unpalatable, and the guys who enacted the plan couldn’t see it through. The team realized that while some of those strategies may work to rebuild baseball teams, it doesn’t quite work the same way in the NFL; the pain of losing is so much greater in the NFL, and fans, management and coaches struggle to tolerate it. But the wheels are in motion, and I believe the original plan will work. I’m more excited about the team’s direction than I’ve ever been before in Cleveland, because many people in the building understand what it means to truly tear down a football team and start over. Think about when a new coach comes to a college football team. He runs off all the older players and develops the players he recruited. At the end of the first four years, they're better players than they would’ve been had they sat behind the veterans for two or three years. The strategy: Play all these rookies, see what you got, then when those players are hitting their stride, you have all this cap space to spend money in free agency and you give yourself the best chance to win in the third and fourth years. MARK ALBERTI/ICON SPORTSWIRE Welcome to Year 3. The Browns added three first-round picks in the NFL draft last April and have 12 picks in this year’s draft, including four picks in the first 35 and the No. 1 and No. 4 overall selections. And more importantly, in spite of playing with half a deck of cards, Hue kept the team together, kept the players focused, kept the coaches motivated and continued to develop players through two of the worst seasons ever. I don’t think many coaches could do that. When Hue said, “nobody could have done the job that I did,” he took a lot of heat for it because it was perceived he was talking about the record. But he was talking about the way this team fought to the end, the way the players prepared and went out and played with as much passion and toughness and intensity as they did. There was nothing on the line, there was no reason to do it, but they still gave their best effort to the last play. But the media turned on Hue, and I worried the team would be influenced into the wrong decision. Stay around the league long enough, and you realize there’s a big difference between team owners who grew up in the NFL and those who didn’t. The lifers in many cases have more patience; they understand that media and fans have roller-coaster mood swings. When the team is doing well, they heap praise, and when you’re doing poorly, they’ll criticize to no end. The coach has to be somewhere in the middle, with a steady approach, and it’s important not to listen to what they’re saying about the team, because those words and comments go into your head and start to affect the close decisions. I understand that hirings and firings stir up controversy, which is great for the media—that makes the job fun and easy. What’s hard to communicate is nuance. It’s so much easier to say, ‘well, they've won one game in two years—time to fire the coach.’ The reality is there are plenty of bad coaches who have made the playoffs with good quarterbacks and plenty of good coaches who have never made the playoffs because they don’t have the quarterback, the supporting cast or the defense. It’s important not to throw the baby out with the bath water. Most players on the team think Hue’s a great head coach and really like him, but I’m sure there are some guys who don’t like him. When I was a younger player it was easy to either fall in love with the coach if you’re doing well and hate the coach if you’re doing poorly without knowing why. And just like fans, players can judge the coach based on the record. But as a player who’s been around more coaches and GMs than most players and seen different ways of operation, I can look beyond the record. John Dorsey and Jimmy Haslam looked at why the team hired Hue in the first place. He was the hottest coach on the market for several years, developed QBs like Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton and went 8–8 as a head coach in his only full season. He’s a great leader, a great manager of coaches and a great x’s and o’s football guy. Firing him based on the record wouldn’t have been the right move. And now we get to the fun part. We got rid of everybody we had that was really good for two years because we knew that we would be ahead of all the other teams in year three or four. We have more than $100 million in cap space; we could sign three Kirk Cousins if we wanted to. We could legitimately add three Hall of Fame players in free agency if they're out there. We have an upcoming No. 1 pick who could transform the roster by himself. You throw an experienced quarterback in the mix and there’s nothing that says the Browns can't make the playoffs next year. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/23/cleveland-browns-hue-jackson-head-coach
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What is he wearing? Is he wearing a t-shirt over a collared shirt? How can expect this person to make good decisions if he dresses like this? Maybe it was a little cooler than he hoped and threw on a sweat shirt. The high there today was near normal at 61 or so.....but it's been cold, the low was probably a little cooler than normal. Might have dropped to the low 40's C'mon peen, don't worry about it. you're like me: too old and pragmatic to care about what the GM is wearing.  If he helps build the Browns into a winner he can wear crushed velvet jumpsuits for all I care.
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I am so glad that we have a GM and HC who are actually talking instead of having Sashi trying to undermine the coaching staff.
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I love his track record - Dorsey I mean. I'll certainly eat my words and give Mac and others credit for wanting an experienced football guy leading the organization.
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What is he wearing? Is he wearing a t-shirt over a collared shirt? How can expect this person to make good decisions if he dresses like this? Maybe it was a little cooler than he hoped and threw on a sweat shirt. The high there today was near normal at 61 or so.....but it's been cold, the low was probably a little cooler than normal. Might have dropped to the low 40's C'mon peen, don't worry about it. you're like me: too old and pragmatic to care about what the GM is wearing. If he helps build the Browns into a winner he can wear crushed velvet jumpsuits for all I care. Their body language shows they are relaxed but cautiously feeling each other out. I think it's a good sign that Hue will be given a legit shot this season. It will be fun if they can learn to work well together.
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j/c: Why the Browns Made the Right Decision To Not Fire Hue Jackson By JOE THOMAS January 23, 2018 In 2016 and ’17, the Cleveland Browns went 1–31. One win in two seasons. When you look at the record on it's own, it’s abysmal. Horrible. Monumentally poor. But I’m glad that the Browns, a team I’ve proudly spent my entire pro career with, decided to retain Hue Jackson as head coach after two awful seasons in the standings. It wouldn’t be fair to judge Hue based on his record after just two seasons because few NFL teams have put themselves at such a disadvantage in order to save assets and focus on winning three or four years down the road. When Hue was hired as head coach, he had no understanding that management was going to trade all their good players and current draft picks for future picks. The front office’s strategy was to save as much cap space as possible over two years, get rid of almost all the veteran free agents and compound draft picks for future years. The guys in charge realized that if the team was willing to accept two really horrible years, we could get some top-five picks, and if we trade one to somebody else, were going to get two first rounders in the future and so on. As the head coach, Hue was expected to hold the team together, develop players and get them to play hard—when everyone in the building knew the front office put us in the best position to lose. It’s hard to split hairs on that comment. Ultimately the degree of losing became simply unpalatable, and the guys who enacted the plan couldn’t see it through. The team realized that while some of those strategies may work to rebuild baseball teams, it doesn’t quite work the same way in the NFL; the pain of losing is so much greater in the NFL, and fans, management and coaches struggle to tolerate it. But the wheels are in motion, and I believe the original plan will work. I’m more excited about the team’s direction than I’ve ever been before in Cleveland, because many people in the building understand what it means to truly tear down a football team and start over. Think about when a new coach comes to a college football team. He runs off all the older players and develops the players he recruited. At the end of the first four years, they're better players than they would’ve been had they sat behind the veterans for two or three years. The strategy: Play all these rookies, see what you got, then when those players are hitting their stride, you have all this cap space to spend money in free agency and you give yourself the best chance to win in the third and fourth years. MARK ALBERTI/ICON SPORTSWIRE Welcome to Year 3. The Browns added three first-round picks in the NFL draft last April and have 12 picks in this year’s draft, including four picks in the first 35 and the No. 1 and No. 4 overall selections. And more importantly, in spite of playing with half a deck of cards, Hue kept the team together, kept the players focused, kept the coaches motivated and continued to develop players through two of the worst seasons ever. I don’t think many coaches could do that. When Hue said, “nobody could have done the job that I did,” he took a lot of heat for it because it was perceived he was talking about the record. But he was talking about the way this team fought to the end, the way the players prepared and went out and played with as much passion and toughness and intensity as they did. There was nothing on the line, there was no reason to do it, but they still gave their best effort to the last play. But the media turned on Hue, and I worried the team would be influenced into the wrong decision. Stay around the league long enough, and you realize there’s a big difference between team owners who grew up in the NFL and those who didn’t. The lifers in many cases have more patience; they understand that media and fans have roller-coaster mood swings. When the team is doing well, they heap praise, and when you’re doing poorly, they’ll criticize to no end. The coach has to be somewhere in the middle, with a steady approach, and it’s important not to listen to what they’re saying about the team, because those words and comments go into your head and start to affect the close decisions. I understand that hirings and firings stir up controversy, which is great for the media—that makes the job fun and easy. What’s hard to communicate is nuance. It’s so much easier to say, ‘well, they've won one game in two years—time to fire the coach.’ The reality is there are plenty of bad coaches who have made the playoffs with good quarterbacks and plenty of good coaches who have never made the playoffs because they don’t have the quarterback, the supporting cast or the defense. It’s important not to throw the baby out with the bath water. Most players on the team think Hue’s a great head coach and really like him, but I’m sure there are some guys who don’t like him. When I was a younger player it was easy to either fall in love with the coach if you’re doing well and hate the coach if you’re doing poorly without knowing why. And just like fans, players can judge the coach based on the record. But as a player who’s been around more coaches and GMs than most players and seen different ways of operation, I can look beyond the record. John Dorsey and Jimmy Haslam looked at why the team hired Hue in the first place. He was the hottest coach on the market for several years, developed QBs like Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton and went 8–8 as a head coach in his only full season. He’s a great leader, a great manager of coaches and a great x’s and o’s football guy. Firing him based on the record wouldn’t have been the right move. And now we get to the fun part. We got rid of everybody we had that was really good for two years because we knew that we would be ahead of all the other teams in year three or four. We have more than $100 million in cap space; we could sign three Kirk Cousins if we wanted to. We could legitimately add three Hall of Fame players in free agency if they're out there. We have an upcoming No. 1 pick who could transform the roster by himself. You throw an experienced quarterback in the mix and there’s nothing that says the Browns can't make the playoffs next year. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/23/cleveland-browns-hue-jackson-head-coachJoe is talking as if he is not part of the team anymore. I think he is done. That is a lot of laundry being hung, he is revealing that and the team knew what was going on. They knew they would lose. That, IMO, is a horrible way to try and change a culture.
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I agree w/you. It's sad to think that he will is most likely retiring, but it's cool that he saying things that completely refute the garbage that certain posters have been spreading for the last couple of years.
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I am so glad that we have a GM and HC who are actually talking instead of having Sashi trying to undermine the coaching staff. Do you have a link for that? You keep asking for links. I am not unhappy with the set up, but quit spreading your opinion as fact.
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John Dorsey and Jimmy Haslam looked at why the team hired Hue in the first place. He was the hottest coach on the market for several years, developed QBs like Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton and went 8–8 as a head coach in his only full season. He’s a great leader, a great manager of coaches and a great x’s and o’s football guy. Firing him based on the record wouldn’t have been the right move. I think this proves the BS speculation that Hue was forced upon Dorsey wrong. I also like that pic where the two guys are hanging out together and I also saw them talking on one of networks as they were walking into the one of the games. It is so much better than having the previous situation where Sashi screwed the coaches over so bad that the two men weren't even on speaking terms. Things are looking up, Brown's fans.
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I am so glad that we have a GM and HC who are actually talking instead of having Sashi trying to undermine the coaching staff. Do you have a link for that? You keep asking for links. I am not unhappy with the set up, but quit spreading your opinion as fact. Hue looks real happy here with Sashi. 
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Hue does his best to always keep things positive according to everyone who talks to him. At least until you try to stab him in the back like Sashi was doing apparently.
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Him not seriously going after and landing players Hue wanted and purging players he didn't certainly seems like it to me. To me it seemed he was setting Hue up to fail a long time ago. I think he let the power go to his head and got too arrogant in thinking he just knew better than everyone even though they had decades more football knowledge than him.
I mean I'm sure Sashi is a smart man but lets face it. Putting him in charge was not much different that grabbing a random fan from the stands when you look at his actually qualifications to be a GM.
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Him not seriously going after and landing players Hue wanted and purging players he didn't certainly seems like it to me. To me it seemed he was setting Hue up to fail a long time ago. I think he let the power go to his head and got too arrogant in thinking he just knew better than everyone even though they had decades more football knowledge than him.
I mean I'm sure Sashi is a smart man but lets face it. Putting him in charge was not much different that grabbing a random fan from the stands when you look at his actually qualifications to be a GM. I don't think this is a very accurate or fair take on the situation.
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Agreed, all one has to do is look at my sig and the most recent article from Joe T to see what the coaches and players thought of what Sashi was doing to the team. That is not "fake news."
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Him not seriously going after and landing players Hue wanted and purging players he didn't certainly seems like it to me. To me it seemed he was setting Hue up to fail a long time ago. I think he let the power go to his head and got too arrogant in thinking he just knew better than everyone even though they had decades more football knowledge than him.
I mean I'm sure Sashi is a smart man but lets face it. Putting him in charge was not much different that grabbing a random fan from the stands when you look at his actually qualifications to be a GM. I respect and appreciate a lot of what you post, pretty much always have, but this is starting to get a bit out there IMO. Sashi's ego: i keep seeing this characterization of him thrown out there, but have yet to see anything to support it. I haven't seen any incident where Hue was over ridden by him because he personally "knew better than Hue". What i have seen is Sashi making decisions, sometimes unpopular, that strictly adhered to The Plan, something DePo warned Jimmy would be necessary. If one is making decisions based upon their ego, i think it's more so Hue, and i understand it. There's no way Hue did not know what The Plan was. If he didn't, he's a bigger fool than what anyone is accusing him of being. I think the pressure of the losses piling up caused Hue to deviate from The Plan. And look, i do get it. He IS the face of the team and more often than anyone else in a position to provide uncomfortable answers. And if Hue was being set up to fail... When did that start? The failed A.J. trade? The beginning of the season? The moment Hue was hired? And for what purpose? Maybe because he wanted to hire his own HC? I don't know man. I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong. It's just I've seen this claim made several times and would like to know a bit more on how you guys arrive at that assessment.
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Him not seriously going after and landing players Hue wanted and purging players he didn't certainly seems like it to me. To me it seemed he was setting Hue up to fail a long time ago. I think he let the power go to his head and got too arrogant in thinking he just knew better than everyone even though they had decades more football knowledge than him.
I mean I'm sure Sashi is a smart man but lets face it. Putting him in charge was not much different that grabbing a random fan from the stands when you look at his actually qualifications to be a GM. Sorry, but I don't buy any of bit of this.
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At least until you try to stab him in the back
Like Hues daughter releasing false information via twitter about Sashi? Coaches release information to Mike Silver about Sashi. Hue throwing Sashi under the bus along with players in press conferences?
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Well you know the leader of the evil empire, Hue Jackson, uses his daughter like a dog and forces her to run interference for him. He would shoot his own mother to make himself look better. He should surely be tarred and feathered.
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Well you know the leader of the evil empire, Hue Jackson, uses his daughter like a dog and forces her to run interference for him. He would shoot his own mother to make himself look better. He should surely be tarred and feathered. At least thrown in the lake... 
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Him not seriously going after and landing players Hue wanted and purging players he didn't certainly seems like it to me. To me it seemed he was setting Hue up to fail a long time ago. I think he let the power go to his head and got too arrogant in thinking he just knew better than everyone even though they had decades more football knowledge than him.
I mean I'm sure Sashi is a smart man but lets face it. Putting him in charge was not much different that grabbing a random fan from the stands when you look at his actually qualifications to be a GM. What would be Sashi's motivation to set Hue for failure? I honestly don't recall any moment where Sashi threw Hue under the bus,quite the contrary... Another thing that lacks explanation is, why would Hue Jackson sign for the Browns, with so little power? He was in excellent bargaining position when he signed with us,so why would he sign a contract that made him a puppet? Also,all this theories don't explain what happened between the lines of the field.. the lack of preparation, the lack of execution, the lack of game plan. All and all you are not being fair to Sashi (which I also don't like). But you have to give him credit for standing for his Head Coach, and even taking the fall and remaining quiet after all his staff ganged up on him. In the end the Browns miserable showing were due to the lack of football knowledge, and from what I know, Sashi was never meant to be the football guy in the organization, Hue was.
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How many times is that same GIF going to be posted here like it makes a point?
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Well you know the leader of the evil empire, Hue Jackson, uses his daughter like a dog and forces her to run interference for him. He would shoot his own mother to make himself look better. He should surely be tarred and feathered. The rest of his offensive staff would still probably have jobs if they would have agreed to leak info to the press like Bob Wiley did.
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The hate is real!
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Oh Dorsey agrees, that is why he forced Hue to get an OC and then picked the OC for him.
Once Hue is no longer Joe's coach, we'll hear what Joe really thinks about Hue.
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First Hue was worming out of hiring an OC. Now he was forced into it. You guys will just post any BS won't you? lmao
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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If Dorsey didn't agree, he wouldn't be here right now. Remember, he said he took this job because of the great job Sashi did in obtaining cap space, talent, and assets.
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First Hue was worming out of hiring an OC. Now he was forced into it. You guys will just post any BS won't you? lmao Don't attribute my words to other people. I will claim them. Since I made that comment I have commended Hue Jackson for interviewing experienced candidates.
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I just attributed to the Hue Haters Club.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I just attributed to the Hue Haters Club. I am not a "Hue Hater" (cute nickname though). I am a "Don't throw the players under the bus when the team is 1-31 hater."
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I just attributed to the Hue Haters Club. 
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
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I just attributed to the Hue Haters Club. Can a 1-31 coach ever take the best out of his players? In any sport, winning is fundamental to respect and gives the ground for you to demand extra effort from your players. Keeping a 1-31 coach is an insult to football or any competitive sport, and yet some posters demand it in the sake of the football guys.. From now on your merits are not based on your record or performance, but on how good is the excuse you can provide... This is not called sports its called politics, and I hate it...
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I just attributed to the Hue Haters Club.  If criticizing a coach that had a part (significant part, as he's the head coach) in a team going 1-31 is being a hater, then go ahead and get me a cute little pin and put my name down on the list. How can you expect anyone to take you and Vers seriously when you're just as bad as the ones Vers calls out in every. single. post...
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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