Prior to the draft, I thought Peppers was intriguing to a team as a later 2nd round oick...but he is is someone whom had a higher bust rate, as he hadn't mastered any college posisition...that in fact is a project once you draft him.
He has sucked this year, however we are playing him at his greatest weakness. We always do this players we draft or sign...we out them, by placing them in situations which highlight the weakness. That is why rarely anyone pans out.
Peppers needs to improve himself a lot, but it's hard to see him excelling while playing at his biggest weakness.
Spot on Tru Good coaches change the scheme to take advantage of their players strengths Browns coaches scheme to take advantage of our player's weaknesses. And not just Hue and co., each of the past 3-4 regimes.
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Spot on Tru Good coaches change the scheme to take advantage of their players strengths Browns coaches scheme to take advantage of our player's weaknesses. And not just Hue and co., each of the past 3-4 regimes.
what makes you think the scheme is not taking advantage of most our players strengths?
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
Prior to the draft, I thought Peppers was intriguing to a team as a later 2nd round oick...but he is is someone whom had a higher bust rate, as he hadn't mastered any college posisition...that in fact is a project once you draft him.
He has sucked this year, however we are playing him at his greatest weakness. We always do this players we draft or sign...we out them, by placing them in situations which highlight the weakness. That is why rarely anyone pans out.
Peppers needs to improve himself a lot, but it's hard to see him excelling while playing at his biggest weakness.
If Peppers was going to be a good NFL player, he'd do what it takes to excel anywhere.
He's got the god-given physical tools.
Peppers problem isn't physical, it's mental/behavioral.
Peppers has done what is requested. He's done everything asked of him.
Shock horror - If you play a safety 30 yards deep every play, he's rarely ever going to be involved in the play.
Shock horror - If you give an NFL running back or wide receiver an open field situation with a safety who is playing 30 yards deep, he's going to "take a bad angle" and get beat. Like Peppers isn't being asked to consistently track and tackle some of the best athletes in the entire world.
The is only one person in the NFL who uses his safeties this way, and that's Gregg Williams. There is a reason for that.
We won't know what Peppers is capable of until we fire Williams and have a coach who actually had a double digit IQ.
Stupid use of somebody drafted for multitude of uses. Well, we have just one more game to see what we have got really, really and assuage Hue and the other curious in Berea who always want to play and see with the underperforming mystery project if they have been kept.
We will know for sure at 0 fer 16; pretty clear cut. I can still see Kizer as a question mark because his numbers and stats could realistically have been worse Sunday. Hope Hue finds his answer after a pair of seasons.
I am thankful our preseason went so unexpectedly well.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Finally, we get a breakout game from Jabrill Peppers. He's absolutely going to be a SS moving forward. Much better fit for his game.
Loved seeing Jabrill on the sidelines, too. He was very animated, very noisy, very fiery. Gregg Williams swears up and down that the kid is a great leader who is really coming along in terms of his understanding of the game.
I'm looking forward to seeing Peppers in year two. Not giving up on this kid.
Finally, we get a breakout game from Jabrill Peppers. He's absolutely going to be a SS moving forward. Much better fit for his game.
Loved seeing Jabrill on the sidelines, too. He was very animated, very noisy, very fiery. Gregg Williams swears up and down that the kid is a great leader who is really coming along in terms of his understanding of the game.
I'm looking forward to seeing Peppers in year two. Not giving up on this kid.
I would look to trade Schobert, keep Kindred at SS, and use Peppers as a hybrid defensive player.
Only the Browns could have 3 good linebackers and not one of them can cover a TE.
For real. We have three good linebackers when nobody plays three linebackers because it's impossible for linebackers to cover tight ends and running backs.
Only the Browns could have 3 good linebackers and not one of them can cover a TE.
For real. We have three good linebackers when nobody plays three linebackers because it's impossible for linebackers to cover tight ends and running backs.
I think you're both right.
But, I think Jamie Collins was and could be a good coverage linebacker again IF he's asked to perform normal linebacker assignments. I agree though that asking any NFL linebacker not named Kuechly, L. David Bucs, T. Smith Jags and the ATL backer Jones? to consistently play in nickel coverage is asking too much.
Williams use of LB vs DBs this year seems an off departure from his previous tendencies to play a lot of nickel/big nickel. His use suggests he didn't trust the Safeties on the roster other then Peppers and Kindred....but was it right? (That's not even to mention the WAY he uses his FS)
Peppers: "Please! I am not that kind of safety! What kind of football player do you think I am?"
What we drafted him to be and how we played him are two far apart and different worlds. We need to answer the lame questions I asked. We didn't play him and get his "pick's worth" out of him.
Brainstorm this.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
If we find a QUALITY FS such as Minkah-Fitzpatrick, Corners in FA and a Top 35 draft pick with Wilson in the fold and THAT continues to happen, Williams is begging to be FIRED.
Dorsey, coming from KC will NOT put up with that BS for long.
Especially if he gives Williams the guys I think he will.
Williams never played that alignment anywhere else except for maybe some sort of prevent.
The move was made due to the players he had. My thinking is he wanted to make the other team keep it in front and have to work to score. He knew that as the other team got closer to the goal, the field would compress.
Force them in to a field goal, or make a mistake.
Add a couple of players to the defensive backfield and we won't see that defensive alignment very often.
I am not sure why we keep bringing this up as if it is a big mystery? It's pretty evident as to what we were doing.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
If we find a QUALITY FS such as Minkah-Fitzpatrick, Corners in FA and a Top 35 draft pick with Wilson in the fold and THAT continues to happen, Williams is begging to be FIRED.
Dorsey, coming from KC will NOT put up with that BS for long.
Especially if he gives Williams the guys I think he will.
100%. No doubt the Browns will address the secondary, and as a result I don't want to see another of those stupid alignments ever again.
Good post. The issue isn't Williams. The issue is that our secondary sucked, just as some of us predicted it would before the season. I don't know if Williams ever used that alignment in his previous stops, but he sure as hell didn't use it for the majority of the snaps.
Thank God Sashi is gone and we have a GM in Dorsey who will get the coaching staff the players they need. Reflecting on the dysfunction of the coaching staff and Sashi, it's pretty easy to see why the coaching staff was so outraged w/Sashi's personnel decisions.
Williams never played that alignment anywhere else except for maybe some sort of prevent.
The move was made due to the players he had. My thinking is he wanted to make the other team keep it in front and have to work to score. He knew that as the other team got closer to the goal, the field would compress.
peen...you sir, with your comments above NAILED IT!
I don't know why some can't understand that GW did not have the talent in his defensive backfield to play the aggressive type of defense he became known for.
I'm sure GWilliams would rather have his defensive backfield talented enough to play more aggressive types of coverage press/man to man without worry of getting beat deep.
GW was obviously trying to keep the play in front of the defense, playing to prevent the deep pass.
Gregg designed the defense to play to our strengths and minimize the weaknesses.
It benefited/protected the perception/production of some players ability: CBs, SS LBs in run stopping.
And hurt the perception/production in other areas: Deep S, LBs in coverage against RBs + TEs.
I think some people/media wanted to see something else (possibly fail) before they accepted Gregg's assessment of what was the right thing to do.
Overall I think Gregg wanted to prevent the deep ball/the ball going over the DBs heads in a hurry which happended too often last year if people recall. And he wanted to make teams score methodically (slowly) i.e burning the clock on defense.
"Hue and I have to play a complementary style,'' he said. "I really, really, really loved coaching with (Saints coach Sean Payton). My style of defense had to change drastically there because the worst thing I could do is have Drew Brees on the sideline getting his arm cold. 'Let's go, let's go, let's go, get that son of a gun back out there as fast as possible.'
"Then there's times, when we won the Super Bowl, we had to make sure Peyton (Manning) was standing on the other sideline for as long as possible and reduce it down to a 10-possession game, or a nine-possession game. So we have to complement that. If we're not a flamboyant offense scoring tons of points, then we've got to play great against the run and we've got to minimize possessions and we've got to run the clock. And I learned how to run the clock on defense a long time ago and still not give up points. Hue and I have got to be on the same page.''
Maybe they could have played more press man....just to see what would happen....but which CBs do you trust?
Maybe Nicua could have played more FS earlier in the season which could allowed Peppers to play Dime Safety and match-up against some RBs/TEs and removed a LB off the field.
But, Gregg's defense was:
DVOA Football Outsiders: 16th in 4th against the run 27th against the pass
14th total yards 19th pass yards allowed 7th rush yards allowed 31st in points allowed
He never had a position coming out of college. So I don't know why everyone thinks he is out of position. Kindred has been damn good at strong safety anyway.
Besides how many plays do we expect him to make 35 yards from the Los.
I think that's why they referred to him as a Swiss Army Knife type of player.
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Williams never played that alignment anywhere else except for maybe some sort of prevent.
The move was made due to the players he had. My thinking is he wanted to make the other team keep it in front and have to work to score. He knew that as the other team got closer to the goal, the field would compress.
Force them in to a field goal, or make a mistake.
Add a couple of players to the defensive backfield and we won't see that defensive alignment very often.
I am not sure why we keep bringing this up as if it is a big mystery? It's pretty evident as to what we were doing.
It is obvious. Can't believe how many people kept asking WHY?
It's right in front of them.
We get him REAL Secondary players and this could get real exciting defensively.
I think Peppers will turn out to be a pretty good to great player when he is put in the right position ... JMHO
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Williams never played that alignment anywhere else except for maybe some sort of prevent.
The move was made due to the players he had. My thinking is he wanted to make the other team keep it in front and have to work to score. He knew that as the other team got closer to the goal, the field would compress.
Force them in to a field goal, or make a mistake.
Add a couple of players to the defensive backfield and we won't see that defensive alignment very often.
I am not sure why we keep bringing this up as if it is a big mystery? It's pretty evident as to what we were doing.
It is obvious. Can't believe how many people kept asking WHY?
It's right in front of them.
We get him REAL Secondary players and this could get real exciting defensively.
Sorry for not buying into that.
The number of plays where Peppers flat out made a fool of himself were several. And it had nothing to do with the distance to the LOS.He's just a bad defender.
Peppers was one of the main reasons our Db's were a problem.
The number of plays where we saw Peppers miss tackles, throwing his body, taking bad angles, taking himself out of plays, not recognizing plays, are amazing.
Regarding Gregg... if someone can explain the amount of brain farts he had, the all out blitzes in critical moments, the incredible way we were constantly beaten by screens.. the Gio Barnard play...
The Gio Barnard play should alone warrant several people fired...
Lets us stop with the excuses for everything.
Gregg ended the season being questioned on twitter for his plays and the level of our D.
Bad fundamentals on a team is a sign of bad coaching, the moment Gregg started being questioned and people started paying more attention to our D, then the level of our D became has clear has water.
Good post. The issue isn't Williams. The issue is that our secondary sucked, just as some of us predicted it would before the season. I don't know if Williams ever used that alignment in his previous stops, but he sure as hell didn't use it for the majority of the snaps.
Thank God Sashi is gone and we have a GM in Dorsey who will get the coaching staff the players they need. Reflecting on the dysfunction of the coaching staff and Sashi, it's pretty easy to see why the coaching staff was so outraged w/Sashi's personnel decisions.
I used to think like that,but honestly the last part of the season made me change my mind.
We were constantly beating by screens, constantly playing with big cushions to the Wr's, giving up easy completions even for backup and rookie QB's.
All out blitzing in critical times, where we just had to finish the half or quarter...
When games started to get tougher, and the rhythm increased, it showed an unprepared defense. Specially on the later part of the season
When our D was exposed, it didn't live up to the level of talent we had.
And nobody forced Gregg to play Peppers... there are better FS's in practice squads...
Remember also that we were twice beaten by one of the worst run offenses in the league... So that thing about our run D being stout, IMHO, its just a myth.
The Browns went from 31st in defense in 14th in 2017.
And arguably our 3 best defensive players were only on the field 5 minutes together all season. Garrett, Ogbah, and Collins.
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The Browns went from 31st in defense in 14th in 2017.
And arguably our 3 best defensive players were only on the field 5 minutes together all season. Garrett, Ogbah, and Collins.
These are facts most won't even recognize. They're too busy trying to claim that GW doesn't know what he's doing and that he had such stellar talent in the secondary that they could have been used better.
With that train of thought it's hard for people to admit that our D improved quite a bit with a very poor secondary. Is there still a lot of room for improvement? Well of course there is. We can all see that. But that comes with having some talent in your secondary.
You can't play players you don't have.
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