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Trump calls for U.S. infrastructure plan after train derailment

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday that the derailment of a train, which sent train cars crashing onto a major highway and killed passengers, in Washington state showed the necessity of an infrastructure plan.

“The train accident that just occurred in DuPont, WA shows more than ever why our soon to be submitted infrastructure plan must be approved quickly,” Trump said. “Seven trillion dollars spent in the Middle East while our roads, bridges, tunnels, railways (and more) crumble! Not for long!”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-washi...t-idUSKBN1EC2EJ

FINALLY something I can support Trump on unless they load it with more money for the rich. Sad that he had to politicize this accident but at least it will be for something good. We'll see how his GOP feels about backing this soon.

I wonder what his references to payments in the Middle East refer to specifically. I'm all for infrastructure spending, but I'm not sure how he plans on reallocating our current spending, especially in light of the fact the tax plan is going to add to the deficit pretty bigly.

I'd like to see specifics.

Oh yeah he is big on those

I can get behind this with no problem.
Keep this bill clean and I will urge my reps to sign on.

50 years overdue.

That was stupid...

"Bella Dinh-Zarr of the NTSB, speaking to reporters before midnight Monday night upon her arrival at the Sea-Tac International Airport, reported that data from the train's rear engine marked the train's speed at 80 mph. Sound Transit confirmed to SeattlePI that the Interstate 5 overpass south of Tacoma where the crash occurred carries a 30 mph speed limit".

Guess we can fix stupid. Train going 80 in a 30.... computer takes over and removes the stupid out the situation.

As usual, trump has his facts mixed up or at least skewed somewhat. Also, that was a brand new stretch of track so I'm guessing that Fox News didn't tell him that.

Not sure if he's got the number right about the middle east, but I'll accept it for now.

Having said that:

This is one area I can support trump in. Infrastructure rebuilding.

Roads and Bridges falling apart, Rail system so far behind the times...(yeah, they made some improvements, but not enough)

Not sure how he plans on paying for it. Even if he's right about the money spent in the middle east, there is no way that's enough to fix our systems... And that's if you take it all away which would kinda be stupid on many levels.

I can support Trump on this, but finding the money will be the tough part.

The GOP will find funding. They’ll start with cutting that pesky entitlement money, Social Security and Medicare. They’ve been itching to rip those programs apart for years.

There is only one way out. Vote! Every single election. Vote! If 80-90% of everyone that is eligible to vote would go vote the GOP doesn't have a chance in hell.

If you need a ride call me.

J/C

Didn't we already have a huge infrastructure bill from O with shovel ready jobs......where did all that money go? oh that's right, into his donors and union heads pockets.

?Whatabouism? how about a link?

Not to pee on his parade, but wasn't the derailment due to human error (doing 80mph in a 30mph zone)?


Regardless, I'd love to see high speed rail in the US. And, the roads and bridges in this country are in need of repairs/updates. And traffic in major cities is out of control. I look forward to a major infrastructure bill.

In my neck of the woods, we got new roads and overpasses.
The signs were up for 2-3 years at all the construction sites.

He’ll even take you to multiple polling stations! Miss a dead relative? Figuratively revive them for the day!

We dd too. Money most likely went to places that went big for him in ‘08.

Not a whatabout, a question. If the money we already spent on roads and infrastructure, actually went to that, we wouldn't have to spend it again so shortly after.

Where did the Stimulus money Go??

If 80-90% of everyone that is eligible to vote would go vote the GOP doesn't have a chance in hell. If you need a ride call me.

Fox Opinion.

The real Fake news.

Quit relying on feds to fix problems. Feds can fix federal high ways and bridges and other federal infrastructure....but local stuff??? Sewers, streets, water mains. Those are your towns issues and your town needs to fund them. No different the you house. If the toilet breaks or the roof leaks you fix it....you don’t wait for uncle sugar to pay to fix it.

We are addicted to welfare as a country.

That doesn't track with my experience at all. The places where I saw those signs are in archbolddog's zip code. Lots of roads and overpasses between Toledo and the IN state line. Mostly rural (read: McCain/Romney) places.

What a bunch of malarkey. You do know federal infrastructure like highways and bridges are built on local state/county/city/private land and uses new/or existing stuff like sewer, elect, communications, connector streets, and other local infrastructure that is supported and built with local funds. And without federal assistance from the federal interstate system, those highways, bridges, and federal infrastructure wouldn't be built at all.

Nothing to do with being addicted to welfare. But I'm sure that many GOP faithful would agree with you. Because that's so typical. Cut off your nose to spite your face.

Explain to me how it is the federal government's responsibility to fund a a sewer replacement project? In the 70s the feds gave cities all sorts of cash to build sewers and treatment plants with the idea that we helped you get started, but it is your responsibility to be fiscally sound and fund its operations and future maintenance.

every town and city is exactly the same. No plans for the future...and by future I mean 50 years down the road. Do you that sewers typically have a life expectancy of 50 to 60 years? with that in mind a city should be investing 2% of the linear feet of underground pipe into significant repairs/replacement EACH YEAR. You know what the industry typically invests? Less the 1/2 of 1%. That is a 150 year replacement cycle for a system we know needs addressed every 50 years. But local towns and cities don't want to fund it. they ignore it and expect the feds to bail them out. They want to keep rates at a minimum and never finance and fund the future. Heck local water is delivered to homes from local plants at a cost of about $0.005 cents PER GALLON in most cities and towns across the US. If users paid 1 Penny a gallon they would generate a significant amount of revenue locally to significantly fund the water infrastructure replacement programs that are need instead of being beholden to the feds and there rules for getting "free" money. So yea... the welfare addiction is alive and well.

To start. The federal interstate system subsidizes state and local governments with funds to build interstate highways and bridges through their states. FEMA subsidizes state and local governments with funds to build drainage sewers and other infrastructure to help avoid catastrophic flooding in their states.

We could go on and on. We could have a long back and forth conversation about our rich U.S. history of some of the greatest civil engineering and infrastructure ever built. And we could go on and on about government funding that it takes to create and maintain it. But why? Just to make a point of who must pay for it...???? I'll cut to the chase... the middle class pays for everything bro.

Drainage sewers are not the same a sanitary sewers but I figure you know that. And the federal interstate system? I said the feds can fund it. I just said they locals should fund upkeep on Elm St, Main St and every other side street in the city limits. And you ignored water infrastructure. But all we got to do is look at flint. Government gonna bail them out on that one.

and what the middle class pays does not even cover any of this crap. If we did pay for it there would be no such thing as deficit spending. The only people "paying" for what is happening now is 2-3 generations down the road. Between SS, Medicare, Interest and Defense, there is nothing left in the coffers but a Credit Card.

The aging U.S. infrastructure is scary.

I mean the scope of it's needed maintenance, repair and modernization.

It's time to pay the piper.

This should have been provided/planned for starting 30 years ago.

If Trump makes it 8 years a president, hopefully this will be one of his legacies.

quote above by teedub:




Right.

But the Feds can do a lot to encourage towns to take action.

I wonder if he knew or if FOX news let him know that that section of track was brand new?

Anyway, I agree with him in that we need to address our infrastructure.

I'm just not sure what social program will need cut to fund it. Social Security, Medicare? Which one will he kill to build a BIG SHINY NEW BRIDGE.

Taking off soon to see a baby. I'll try to remember to tell you about a couple of the "projects" that happened here.

looking forward to it.

I do remember your accounting of curbs and intersections.
What a tale.

A little late. Show the same restraint for public infrastructure that we show for wealthy GOP and hedge fund folks. This debt sucks. Nice speech. This accident could have been stopped, and not the only ones. make people the priority rather than party.

Hoping for a wholesale turnover. Obviously not representing any majority of constituents.
Let's all vote.

Some people will believe any BS they hear. As long as they agree with who they hear it from.

I actually worked on a lot of projects that came out of that.. and it wasn't as much an infrastructure bill as it was an economic stimulus bill to help get the economy moving after the recession.. It just so happened that a fair number of the projects were infrastructure related.

They don't encourage.. they provide funds. That's what they do. They have programs that say if the town can come up with X% of the money for a project they will provide the rest... those percentages vary quite a bit.

LOL.. it's not welfare, it's a matter of you paying higher taxes to the feds or higher local taxes.. either way, to get it fixed, you will be taxed, the government will pay for it. The only difference is, which level of government.

Well, if you remember them, no sense rehashing, right?

I'm sure there were some good projects done. Somewhere.

Around here, (very localized, I know), money was spent to enlarge an intersection, a high traffic intersection. It's about a foot wider, but dang, it sure looks good.

It was designed to make it easier for trucks to travel to Sauder Woodworking

And yet, the town has insisted on getting trucks out of town so any benefit was nullified by having trucks re-routed to other roads anyway.

There was, however, one awesome project. S.R. 66, on the south side of Archbold. At the intersection of C.R. A/W (C.R. = county road. It's a road that splits Fulton County and Henry County. It's a dang old county road. A is the fulton county side. W is the Henry county side. Just an old, lightly used county road.)

But I'll tell you what, those funds turned that road into a masterpiece. The road was widened, and new ditches were dug. Turning East off of s.r. 66, it's awesome. For the first 1/4 to 3/8 of a mile. Then, the road goes back to exactly how it was. Narrow. The ditch is exactly how it was - shallow.

Never in my adult life have I seen any flooding there, ever.

There are no businesses headed east off s.r. 66. It's country. Fields.

Yet, they made a darn fine looking road and ditch - that goes somewhere around 700 yards, before it goes right back to what it was - a narrow country road, with a shallow, maybe knee deep ditch. What was the point?

But sir, you got me going now.

Here's just a bit of why I don't like gov't.. Just a BIT.

Napoleon Ohio, maybe 15 miles away. Desperate need of a new water treatment plant and new drainage water/sewage water system. If memory serves me, it would be somewhere in the $80 million range.

Why? Napoleon sits on the Maumee river, the sewage and drainage tiles in many places are the same line or interconnect at some juncture. All going to the current plant. During a storm, the rain is too much and consequently, raw sewage ends up getting pumped into the river, which is just a few (35? miles from Lake Erie, right through downtown Toledo) Other cities on the river have the same issues.

Where's the money to fix that problem? Oh, no where. It's up to Napoleon to fix this real issue. I get it. It's their problem.

But why spend gov't. money on things I mentioned in my last post, that do nothing, and ignore REAL issues?

we had the 80 mill.

but the leaders said we need 80 BILL for defense spending instead.

And, I've been over it a few times, but it's worth mentioning again.

My own hometown. There used to be NO traffic problems in town, other than if a train was crossing through. That would stop traffic, obviously, for the amount of time the train was crossing.

We never had ANY problems with semi's in town - even the semi's that turned west on S.R. 2, heading towards a company some of you may recognize: Con Agra. Trucks thru downtown heading to a huge manufacturer, Sauder Woodworking, or Sauder Manufacturing, or Bil-Jax, or even the local frozen food company, had no problems. None. Other than an occasional wait on trains.

But then the town leaders decided to re-do the streets downtown. It looked awesome. Except, they put traffic bollards up where a semi was to turn to head to Con Agra. Trucks couldn't make the new turn easily. Many ended up stuck on the bollards. (what that whole process cost, I have no idea)

So, the town council, in all their wisdom decided to buy the pharmacy building that sat on the corner. $80,000 for the building. (the owners were going to close down anyway). Then, they spent $25,000 to tear the building down.

They then spent upwards of $250,000 to widen the street, repave, etc.

Okay, over $300,000 to make it easier for trucks to make the turn, when, prior to the first "re do" of downtown, there were no issues.

Then, our "leaders" decided they didn't want ANY trucks downtown, so they petitioned the state to allow s.r. 66 to be moved a mile west. "It'll help semi's" we were told. "It will line up the turnpike interchange with c.r. 24, which will become the new S.R. 66, and it will be a straight shot to Defiance and line up with S.R. 24.

Problem was, c.r. 24 wasn't in the towns jurisdiction. It's in the jurisdiction of German Township. Township trustees didn't want that - they didn't want a s.r. going down what is a country road.

Defiance county didn't want that road becoming a state highway either.

The township trustees said "no go". Our town "leadership" said "Oh yeah? We'll force it."

Town went to the county to secede, basically, from the township, thinking the township would back down because if the town wasn't part of german township, the township would miss out on the tax money the town people and anyone that works in town, pay.

The county said "nope."