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Wow.

I thought his mocks was the worse thing about him. Surprise!

I don’t know why you’d leave the evaluations to others. It was you, long before anyone else, that alerted the board to began watching the little known Jimmy Garoppolo.

Wonder if a guy that drafted Patrick Mahomes , would draft a Rosen ?

Thanks for the props, but what I meant is I don't break down game cutups and form opinions of a QB's performances, abilities, and potential like Bonefish, Vers, edromeo, Diam, and others do here. I like to read their posts, along with articles from draft gurus, but my evals are pretty much an eyeball test with general impressions, based on a few minutes of highlight videos.

What I’m saying is that your instincts are as good as anyone’s I’ve read around here and I’ve learned to trust them. They also have the benefit of not being agenda driven.

Josh Allen, anyone?

I don't see why not.

Thread of Josh Rosen plays from his freshman year (he's really good):

https://twitter.com/BrendanLeister/status/938648423145857025

Thanks for posting that, bonefish.

My opinion of Rosen's off the field stuff is that he is extremely intelligent, comes from a family w/means, is socially responsible and even lives on the cutting edge. I think he loves to learn and is constantly challenging himself and others in that pursuit.

While some might not like all of his comments, I pretty much agree w/them......including his comments about universities needing to do more for their players. Those institutions make millions off of these kids. Rosen is smart enough to recognize it for what it is.

More telling are the comments that I have been reading from his coaches. I believe some people are painting a false narrative about coaches not liking him. The quotes prove otherwise.

Bro...........I think this is our guy. I know you like Darnold more and I respect your opinion. I really do. I just think that Rosen is the guy and can start day one.

He seems to check all the boxes. In the end, I won't mind if we don't get the best of the QB's, I just want whoever we take to be a notch or two above NFL average. Teams can win with that.

I think Rosen has very little bust factor.

Great article. Eases my mind somewhat that he might just be a "Dorsey Guy". He certainly checks off many of the boxes, including the major one of does he "Think like a coach". Allows me to believe he has a great chance of ending up here. I really hope so. He is the type of QB who could absolutely help turn the whole thing around and take us to the show. I am certainly less concerned about the interview phase now.

What's your take on Jackson? Are you discarding him because of a specific reason?

I like Rosen, although have some questions about pocket passers in bad teams.. but he's a great prospect.

Darnold... his decision making seams to be a problem...

For what it's worth... I am pretty much absolutely in love with Rosen at 1. (minus his personal opinions)

I wonder what QB in the NFL he looks up to?

To me... he has this look of a QB that is a combo of Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady/MattRyan best qualities.


His mechanics and footwork are usually really solid.


The way he moves around the pocket and his throwing motion... is nearly perfect.

He knows how to use his hips, push off his back leg, and drive his front leg.

I'm not even sure why there is a question of who should be the #1 pick in the draft.

Do you have a gut feeling on the chances Darnold enters the draft? Most of what I see on the board is that he is staying in school another year. But, that is what I see on this board.

Probably because Mayfield trumps Rosen almost across the board.

I agree. He'll likely be the first or second QB off the board. He's not going to gain much by staying in. If he comes out, he starts learning the "NFL way" immediately, and he starts collecting a major paycheck. Staying in for a year of "polish" doesn't seem likely to me.

"He wants to be great," Dilfer said, "and wants to leverage that influence to do bigger things."

"I had to teach Little Josh more advanced stuff to keep him interested," said Steve Whitehead, tennis instructor at the Manhattan Country Club. "I could see he was getting bored."

Whitehead stills refers to Rosen as "Little Josh," even though his 5-year-old pupil has now grown into a 6-foot-4, 210-pound 20-year-old man.


"He wants to know the why behind everything," said Chad Johnson, Bosco's offensive coordinator.

"It made [Chad] a better offensive coordinator," Negro said. "He knew if he had an idea for doing something, he'd better have a good reason for doing it, because Josh was going to want to know why."

The reasoning for Sam Darnold staying in school is that he has an emotional attachment to USC because of his family's history with the university.

Also I read a quote from Darnold's family about USC: "it was never about academics".

Darnold has gone as far USC can take him.

I'll say this... if Hue stays which somehow seems like a very likely possibility, I don't think we draft Mayfield. I think Hue already made up his mind.

We'll probably be fine with Rosen but Mayfield is just simply better.

I don't think any rookie is going to produce out of the gate and we shouldn't have asked Kiser to. The kid simply was not ready. We need a solid vet and draft a rookie to sit and learn like they did with Jimmy G.

Are you going to give some examples of which you have twice now stated an opinion as a fact?

i don't understand how you can say this, yet you haven't watched much of Lamar Jackson.

you didn't do your homework on jackson, yet can somehow say without a doubt Rosen is the best one coming out?

i love discussing the QB's with you, so i hope you never feel like i'm being hostile, but bro me and you got into it about Trub over Watson. and Watson ended up being better, at least this year before he got hurt.

at least i'm willing to watch Rosen and the other guys. just saying.

Jackson is not NFL ready by any means. he may need 2 years before he is ready to throw a pass in the NFL.

His mechanics, his footwork, his throwing motion are a train wreck.

except for being an NFL ready QB.

He is a project with a noodle arm, bad footwork, terrible mechanics, he panics in the pocket, can't really make progressions from one WR to another, he lacks ideal NFL height and is not fast enough to be a dual threat QB or even try to compare to a Russel Wilson.

He's basically Colt McCoy with a ceiling of Jeff Garcia

I heard the same thing about Watson.

Mayfield entered the NFL Map this year. Rosen has been on the NFL Map since he started as a freshman.

Rosen took the job his first year, looked really good. He looked really good his second year, and he got hurt. Then this year he's looked really good.

Judge the player, not the team.



Rosen is the safe bet. Much safer than an un-orthodox looking QB like Mayfield. We can't screw this up by experimenting with Baker Mayfield and hoping he turns into Russell Wilson or Drew Brees.

And we HAVE to take a QB with the number 1 pick. Waiting till our 2nd pick puts us at risk of other teams jumping ahead of us to get our guy.

Find the guy we like the most and pick him. QB has to be our number one pick

don't goof around and just take the best QB...Rosen

Swish.......bonefish is pretty damn good w/college qbs. He has a history.

I like Rosen. I think bonefish likes Darnold the best. That kinda makes me question my decision on Rosen. Just sayin'....

and that's where we disconnect.

i think a lot of you guys are looking at who's the better passer, and making the determination from there.

I think that's why guys are ranking Mayfield over Rosen, or Darnold over Rosen, and as myself Lamar over Rosen.

if the NFL was only about passing ability and nothing else, then sure, draft Rosen.

but it's not.

and then on top of that, obviously it's hindsight, but Trubisky has 7 TD's and 7 picks.

watson had 19 TD's and 8 picks, in less games played because of his injury. Trub has 10 games played, watson has 7.

watson is also 61% passing compared to trubisky's 59%. while that's not really a big difference, as i debated during the draft process, i still struggle understanding why you and others somehow thought Trub was a better passer than Watson.

nevermind the nfl, but in college, the stats didn't support that statement, the actual game tape didn't support that statement.

to bring it back to the thread, i'm finding that once again, you guys are pulling the same stuff.

in this case, Rosen could be the better passer....right now.

but without all the other intangibles, including that "it" factor, if being a better passer was all that matters, then Jay Cutler would have 3 superbowls wins.

IMO, Rosen doesn't have that. where is the games where he leads his team to a bigtime win in a game that matters? where's him rallying his team to follow him? where's the players that are willing to run into a brick wall for this guy? where's his ability to extend plays, or create something from a broken play?

Rosen isn't close to being a sure thing. i keep hearing things like "oh, he's NFL ready".

based on what? because he plays in a "pro style" offense? NFL ready doesn't mean he'll be good. all that means is he has a better chance of not sucking at the beginning of the season.

that doesn't mean a whole lot.

Mayfield might not be as good of a passer as Rosen, but the case can be made that he's better at everything else. Darnold might not be as good of a passer, or Lamar, but they have certainly shown to have a lot of other talents that Rosen does not possess.

Trub was a" better" passer than Watson and Mahomes. yet Watson at the nfl level looks like the better QB.

i want guys who know how to Win, who knows how to drag their team to a victory. that's mayfield, darnold, lamar.

i don't see that in Rosen.