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sometimes i think about what would Luck look like if he was our QB during the 2014 season when we had Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, Grecco, and Schwartz, and shanny calling the plays.
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sometimes i think about what would Luck look like if he was our QB during the 2014 season when we had Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, Grecco, and Schwartz, and shanny calling the plays.
man..... Now picture it with Hue calling the plays.
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sometimes i think about what would Luck look like if he was our QB during the 2014 season when we had Thomas, Bitonio, Mack, Grecco, and Schwartz, and shanny calling the plays.
man..... Now picture it with Hue calling the plays. He would bench crow, give Ben Tate all the carries, and not throw the ball at all.
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I'd take either one of them and be happy either way, but if I had to choose one, it would be Fitz.
OTOH, a truly great back can do wonders for an O.
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Thank you for opening up the Draft Forum!
Coming in late on this thread and most others.
I would like to say one thing at this time.
Barkley is not a normal RB he is special and actually I think more Impact than AP as AP didn't block well for the QB and didn't catch well for the QB and had a propensity to fumble more!
230+ and 4.3 in pads just does not come into the NFL often.
And the kid is all Football Player...he is not just a physical Freak. This ain't no Trent Richardson 
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I have stated before, I would love to see Barkley on the Browns. I just question the wisdom of investing a top 4 pick into a RB when the draft is deep at RB; Derrius Guice, Sony Michel, Nick Chubb, Bryce Love, Ronald Jones, Royce Freeman, Kerryon Johnson, etc, etc.
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I think I'd give EVERY indication that I wanted him we're I Dorsey.
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I would love to hear Jim Browns take on Barkley ...
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I haven't responded to this thread because I was behind in researching this year's DBs.
I think we will take our QB at 1-1. At 4, I would take Fitz. This guy is fairly incredible. He reminds me of Harrison Smith. He has great instincts and hits a ton.
This guy will answer our glaring hole at FS. He also can be used in man coverage if we ever want to go w/Cover 1 at times. He can cover receiving TEs if we want him to. His instincts will provide help over the top and we won't have to line up a S 25 yards deep.
I think Barkley is a very good back, but good backs are much easier to come by.
I think that we could have a dream draft if we take Rosen at 1 and Fitz at 4. Combine that w/Myles as an edge rusher and we are strong at three critical areas in today's evolving game.
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Barkley - we need a rb that hue is forced to play =)
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I said Fitz from day 1 ....
The D is close and he would be a HUGE STEP TOWARDS making it DOMINANT!!!
U can find very good RB’s later in drafts and this one is especially deep at the RB position ....
Lets face it, there both special ... to me Fitz is a NO BRAINER for the above two reasons ...
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I agree, Minkah is the smart move. But I won't be sad if we take Barkley. We need playmakers. Period. Saquon is a threat to score every time he gets the ball. He can run, catch & return and would seriously amp up our offensive fire power. I get the arguments for both players.
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I can understand the desire for either guy, but Barkley has the edge for me, because I think he has the ability to make a young quarterback's job so much easier. The ability to dump off to a guy in the flat who can make things happen is a huge asset that relieves the burden of a guy making the huge leap into the complexities of NFL defenses.
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I love Barkley but Dorsey hasn’t taken a RB that early in the draft ever, would lean towards him taking Fitzpatrick cause he loves DBs
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I disagree...
San Fran is winless, gets real QB and wins 5 in a row
GB is 10-12 win team every year, loses Rodgers and they win 4 games rest of year
Houston is worst offense in league, puts Watson in and they score 30 a game, gets hurt and back to worst offense
I don't think we are a 10 win team with a QB but I think a 6-8 win team (Hue coaching withstanding) especially after this draft with anything resembling adequate QB play
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I said Fitz from day 1 ....
The D is close and he would be a HUGE STEP TOWARDS making it DOMINANT!!!
U can find very good RB’s later in drafts and this one is especially deep at the RB position ....
Lets face it, there both special ... to me Fitz is a NO BRAINER for the above two reasons ... Personally, assuming both are as good as hyped, it is a win-win situation to be in. I tend to agree with you though that Minkah would be a great chess piece and help round out defense. With this draft being so deep at RB, I would lean that way too. Would not complain one bit though if they decided on Barkley
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Fitzpatrick over Barkley. It's not even a question. Yes it is a question, and a good one. Barkley could transform a moribund offense into a potent one, or didn't you notice what Zeke did for the Cowboys and what Fournette did for the Jags? How about what Gurley did for the Rams? To be fair, I don't think the running backs were quite as transformative on their own as they were collectively. The year before Zeke arrived, Demarco Murray rushed for 1,845 yards (4.7) and 13 touchdowns while Joseph Randle added 343 yards and 3 touchdowns at a thumping 6.7 per carry. Their offensive line was/is breathtaking, and they had the best rushing attack in the league as a result. Zeke arrived only a year later. The Jags have done well with Leonard Fournette, but Fournette only rushed (268 times) for 1,040 yards at 3.9 per carry. While their rushing totals are incredible, last year they had Yeldon and Ivory splitting reps, collectively rushing 3.7 per carry (247 for 904). The reason their offense looks so much better this year is their incredible defense let them balance out a little more, while Bortles, for all the jokes, had quietly solid season. As for Gurley, he's been great for the Rams for years. Didn't stop them getting the #1 overall pick to get Goff and struggle in Goff's first year. As for prior to Gurley arriving, their leading rusher was Tre Mason, who averaged 4.3 YPC to Gurley's 4.8 YPC. Tre Mason is already out of the league. There is a lot of other factors, to be sure, but I don't think running back singularly chances much. A collective team changes things. These guys are amazing this year due to improvements/continuation of an incredible OL and an at-least strong passing attack. I'm not hating on Barkley. The kid is a stud who looks like he's going to have an excellent career. But if you tell me I can get Minkah Fitzpatrick and still add one of the impressive running backs who looks like they'll be there in the second round (Guice, Chubb, Michel, Jones, Harris, Johnson, Penny, etc) then I'm on cloud nine heading in to the season with the kid and Duke Johnson.
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I said Fitz from day 1 ....
The D is close and he would be a HUGE STEP TOWARDS making it DOMINANT!!!
U can find very good RB’s later in drafts and this one is especially deep at the RB position ....
Lets face it, there both special ... to me Fitz is a NO BRAINER for the above two reasons ... All In! Lock em in. 1) Rosen 2) Darnold 3) Barkley 4) Minkah-Fitzpatrick
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Posting this for informational purposes, this seemed like the best thread to put it in
CBS 42 sports anchor Chris Renkel reports that Alabama junior DB Minkah Fitzpatrick will attempt to play through a bruised kidney during Monday's National Championship Game.
Alabama has not yet confirmed the injury and we aren't quite sure when it occurred. Presumably during the Sugar Bowl this past Monday, but again, that has not been confirmed. Fitzpatrick (6'1/195) is a key cog in Alabama's defense and won the Jim Thorpe Award in December for his work during the 2017 campaign. This injury is worth monitoring in the lead-up to Monday's title bout against Georgia. We'll pass along updates as they become available.
Source: Chris Renkel CBS 42 on Twitter Jan 5 - 5:57 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/cfb/nfl-draft/?ls=roto:cfb:morenewsbottom
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i'm starting to change my mind....before I said Minka....but I've started watching more of the college prospects...
Saquan is the type of back that can be the focal point of an offense and I can't let my concern over whether or not he'll be used properly to cloud my assessment of him.
I'm going to assume that Barkley will be used properly.
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.. " I'm going to assume that Barkley will be used properly.. "
From what we have WITNESSED that is one heck of an assumption ! lol
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In the end I think it has to come down who would provide the biggest impact.
The other consideration is free agency. For DB's I love NFL experience. Get a young vet in FA.
I do not consider myself an expert in evaluation of all positions. My focus has always been QB, RB, WR, and some linebackers.
Everybody seems to think very highly of Fitzpatrick. I have not watched him.
Barkley has mad skills. He would make Crowell look like he was wearing lead boots. Vision, speed, cut on a dime, power, elusive. He can catch it as well. Blocking? But man he can run it.
He would make play action a real threat. I love running the ball. Especially when you have a beast. Somebody who can get tough yards and take it to the End Zone from anywhere on the field.
Barkley looks like the real deal.
All the talk about you can get a runner anytime is true to a degree. But you don't get AP type guys.
From an offense that couldn't buy a TD. Getting a vet QB, having Gordon, Coleman(who has much to prove), ( add a receiver or draft one) with Barkley and Duke.
All of sudden the offense is legit.
Our defense got better. Still needs to improve especially DB's. I get the impact of a good FS.
However, the offense really needs a boost. A guy like Barkley changes many aspects of the offense.
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Barkley becomes a red zone threat.
We couldn't punch it in within four downs if the opposition left the field on second down...
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The other thing that I don't recall being mentioned yet is that by improving your run game, you increase your time of possession thus helping out the defense.
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Agree completely. And I really like Barkley. But Dorsey has never taken a RB that early, not even in the first round. That may change this year but he seems like he’d followwhats been successful for him so far. Love Barkley but just wouldn’t hold my breath.
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Probably a win win situation...hope we get one of them. Minkah was a very intelligent football player I thought that was his biggest asset. Question is does he have the physical tools? Speed and size? I don't know that is why I ask.
Ok checked...he has low 4.4 speed and is 6'1" 200+ lbs. So the kid is special. Would he be SS or FS cause I saw him up close to the LOS a lot with BAMA.
Barkley is going to be in that class of best ever of course not having injuries in his career.
I like him cause he's a McCaffery but much bigger and more dangerous.
Hue likes to use his RBs. Both run and pass. I am biased also cause I like Penn State and watched a lot of his games.
Man there were times I thought he was not going to play the rest of the season let alone the game and poof there he is the next series back in the game. The kid is very thick boned if there is such a thing.
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Like I said there are running backs and then there are real impact runners like AP, Gurley, Elliot etc.
Guys like Crowell you can find replacements that are comparable much later in the draft.
Guys like Barkley don't come around often.
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In all honesty, I would be happy with either.
If we go Fitz, we should be able to get a pretty decent Rb in round 2.
If we go Barkley, I'd like to package a mid-round pick and move into the 20's to get Jackson Cb Iowa.
Either way we should also be able to get a pretty talented Wr in the 2nd round.
Regardless of which way we go at #4 I fully expect us to come out of the 1st 2 rounds with a Qb, Rb, Wr and a Db. That would improve our defense and make a potentially potent offense.
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One more point in regards to this topic.
Running backs don't need to learn much as rookies.
You either have it or you don't. When good running backs enter the NFL they just take off.
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Assuming that the #1 overall pick was a QB (Rosen or Darnold) I would select Minkah Fitzpatrick Free Safety at #4.
The defense finally showed the ability to stop the run, has decent young pass rushers but a weak secondary. Having a center fielder that has Minkah's coverage skills would be a tremendous boost to the secondary. It would allow Peppers to move to his natural position of Strong Safety.
I also think that we should re-sign our top free agent Isaiah Crowell to lessen the need for Barkley at #1. We could get a another back to push the Crow late in the 2nd or 3rd round like Nick Chubb or Bo Scarbrough to add more thump to the backfield.
If Gordon can keep his nose clean (Please stay on the straight) Corey Coleman and hopefully re-signing Terrelle Pryor and we will have weapons at WR.
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Revisit this question.
There is no way on earth I take Fitz over Barkley.
It has nothing to do with Fitz as a player. He may very well be the best FS by a large margin although I have no idea if that is true.
This is about the impact of a great FS vs the impact of a great runner.
When you watch the impact of guys like Elliot and Gurley or Peterson in his prime. They change the offense even when they do not touch the ball. Most great backs are going to get 20 plus carries a game. They get tough yards. They make first downs. They score touchdowns. They impact play action. They catch the ball as a receiver. If they are good blockers they protect the passer.
A great FS is important but they do not have the type of impact that a great runner has.
Fitz played last night. What impact did he have?
He can help but sorry I would take Barkley seven days a week over Fitz.
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FS is a bigger need for us than RB. After Fitz and James, there isn't much left at FS. RB is loaded in this draft.
I like Barkley. I think he's special. But there is a lot of special at RB in this draft.
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When you watch the impact of guys like Elliot and Gurley or Peterson in his prime. They change the offense even when they do not touch the ball. Most great backs are going to get 20 plus carries a game. They get tough yards. They make first downs. They score touchdowns. They impact play action. They catch the ball as a receiver. If they are good blockers they protect the passer.
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I have no idea what that chart is about?
Split? no split?
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Totally disagree with you.
Barkley stands alone in this class.
We have a serious need at RB.
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FS is a bigger need for us than RB. After Fitz and James, there isn't much left at FS. RB is loaded in this draft.
I like Barkley. I think he's special. But there is a lot of special at RB in this draft. Deputy, who are to the 3-5 other RBs you like? I'd enjoy seeing who else is on your radar. It will get me to start watching some people.
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Thats fine ... we’ll just have to agree to disagree ...
I’d take Fitz 7 days a week over Barkley ...
- We have a MUCH BIGGER need at FS than we do RB ... Fitz would make a MUCH BIGGER IMPACT than Barkley would ...
- a FS puts our D one step closer to being DOMININAT!!! ...
- we can find a RB later in this RB RICH DRAFT ...
Sorry bone ... i don’t see it ... this is a NO-BRAINER to me ....
FITZ FITZ FITZ!!!!! ...
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So your saying that in the second round we can't find another FS? That Fitz is so much better than the next guy.
I great corner like Dion is a different story.
There are plenty of athletic guys that come in the size of Fitz.
I don't see many guys that have what Barkley has.
I just do not see FS as a position having the impact that a great runner has.
If FS were all that then why are they not drafted that high on a regular basis.
I would bet a dollar to a donut(although anymore I guess a donut costs a dollar) that Barkley is drafted higher than Fitzpatrick.
In addition there are FS that can be had in FA. Then you can see what you get. You will never find a runner like Barkley in free agency.
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I have no idea what that chart is about?
Split? no split?
Vikings with Peterson versus Vikings with no Peterson (during his prime).
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