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Pat Shurmur.... WGGGTG!!!

Defillipo is also available!

#Championship!

Would like these guys as OC though:

Eagles QB coach John DeFilippo

Chiefs OC Matt Nagy

Flip round 2?

LMAO!


I'll do him a solid and buy him the full box of 64 Crayola crayons myself. It'll be the best play book, ever.

What the hell is going on in Berea......

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We all know that Jimmy Haslam is always right.

I'm sure he knows who wanted who and how this team would look if Hue got his way instead of Sashi. But some know it all fans believe they know more about what's going on behind the scenes than Haslam does. That's why they're laughable.

Trusting Jimmy Haslam on anything is laughable.

3 options I see:

1) The Browns are hoping that the Bengals will want to trade for Hue, so they are holding onto him for now.

2) The Browns know that they have damaged the prospects for top quality head coaching candidates, and so they hang onto a 1-31 head coach, to show that they are really willing to give a coach every opportunity to win.

3) Haslam truly believes in Hue, and is willing to give him another year or 2, to see what he can do with more talent at the most important position.

A 1-31 coach who is a late blocked kick away from being 0-32.

Think about that.

What about this?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/07/browns_sashi_brown_our_expecta.html

Thinking you know more about the inner working of the team or what's going on behind the scenes is what's laughable.

I just wonder what it is you would expect him to say?

"This team sucks. Sashi is doing a terrible job and we'll be lucky to wn a game."!???

I think you're smart enough to know how this works Peen. Coaches always talk their team up no matter what.

It's like trying to define a draft pick based on what his HC says about him. You know his coach is going to talk him up no matter what.

I don't know. Hue wasn't talking the team up some weeks ago when he was talking about this team not being equipped and us not having enough talent.

That isn't talking your team up. That's doing everything possible to get himself off the hook.

I'd be totally onboard with him, but I don't believe it's in the cards. More likely as HC...

Browns and Cincy seeing who will blink first. Cincy hemming and hawing with Marvin Lewis and Haslam publicly saying Hue will be back.

Two cities. Two inept owners.

Hue Jackson won't admit it, but many coaches would have avoided 0-16: Doug Lesmerises

Updated 12:39 PM; Posted 11:15 AM

BEREA, Ohio -- What exactly, Hue, did you do well?

Throw out the 0-16 record and every time Hue Jackson himself or owner Jimmy Haslam has pointed to the Browns playing hard as a sign of coaching acumen.

Coaches in a rebuild like this are more than only their record.

Coaches at all times are more than the effort police.

What did Hue Jackson do to help the Browns win this year? What did Jackson do to help the Browns avoid the second 0-16 season in NFL history?

The Browns finished with the worst record in the league while playing four of the other seven teams that won five games or fewer. The Browns are swathed in infamy because they couldn't find a win against 4-12 Houston (33-17 loss), 4-12 Indianapolis (31-28 loss), 5-11 Chicago (20-3 loss) and the 5-11 New York Jets (17-14 loss.)

The Browns lost four games by 4 points or fewer in regulation and another two in overtime. They led in the second half of five games and had a coach always left waiting for a player to make a play, while the rest of us wondered if the Browns had a coach who knew how to get them over the top.

Jackson after the season-ending loss Sunday claimed most coaches couldn't have endured this 1-31 record over two seasons.

But couldn't most of them have sprinkled a couple wins into this winless four-month march? Yes. Yes, they could have.

"You're entitled to your opinion," Jackson said bright and early Monday morning at his wrapup news conference, as coaches with better records around the league were getting fired. "Me saying whatever I feel is not going to change. I'm sitting here. I'm gonna be here. I'm gonna coach this team until I can get this team to winning. Nothing I say is gonna matter, so I get it."

That wasn't an answer, but coupled with what Jackson said Sunday, I'm going to assume Jackson believes that no coach would have done more.

If he does believe that, he's wrong.

NFL.com analyst Bucky Brooks crystallized what Jackson could have been in a tweet last week when Jets coach Todd Bowles had his contract extended after a 5-11 rebuild year, following 10-6 and 5-11 records his first two seasons.

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The way Todd Bowles handled this situation is the perfect blueprint for how other coaches should deal with a bad hand from the dealer. Instead of crying about the lack of personnel during the rebuilding phase, TB coached his tail off & won games despite the odds. That's coaching https://twitter.com/nfl/status/946796652781867012 …

Instead, Cleveland has a coaching staff intent on arguing the merits on how talent-less the roster is. Jackson and new GM John Dorsey have said that before. After Sunday's loss, veteran corner Jason McCourty told reporters this roster was more talented than 0-16, and he was tired of people outside and inside the organization saying there weren't enough players on this team.

I read McCourty's words back to Jackson on Monday.

"Let me say this, I respect what Jason says. He's a player on the team who works extremely hard and who has been in the National Football League, and that's his opinion," Jackson said. "You guys asked that right after the game and I respect Jason and what he feels."

But what does Jackson think of that?

"I don't want to get into the roster and if we're talented or not," Jackson said. "We're 0-16 and to make it more than that and to say the roster is or isn't doesn't do anything."

That's Jackson's approach now, certain of his opinion because he is employed. There may be only three people in the world who think Jackson should still be coaching the Browns, but those three people are Dee and Jimmy Haslam and Jackson himself, and those are the only three people that count.

For me, the 0-16 record doesn't matter all that much because this was going to be a losing year, and if you lose, you may as well lose big. The season is over and 19 other teams missed the playoffs just like the Browns did. What the Browns have now that the other teams don't is the No. 1 pick in the draft and the shot at the quarterback of their choice.

But I would fire Jackson.

I'd fire him for stubborness and for being a bad teammate within the organization.

I'd fire him for messing with the head of a rookie quarterback and not designing gameplans that could put an overmatched DeShone Kizer in more comfortable situations.

I'd fire him for abandoning the run game and coaching in a state of desperation.

I'd fire him because he talked Monday about the stigma of 0-16 and the need to re-recruit fans and potential free agents, and if you believe that needs to happen it would be much easier to do with a new head coach.

I'd fire him because if Jackson was a hot candidate with a sharp offensive reputation two years ago, the Browns could get the next hotter, smarter offensive candidate now, dangling the chance to get your quarterback with that No. 1 pick and a roster with some pieces in place.

I'd fire him because he claims his responsibilty for this as the head coach, then time after time leaves bread crumbs with his comments that this isn't really on him. I'd fire him because Jackson too often presents himself as a victim of 1-31, and not a primary cause of it.

"That's you saying that," Jackson said, and I have said it many times. "I've never said I'm a victim of this. I said it the other day, I'm just as big a part of this as anybody. I don't know what it is that you want me to say that would make you feel OK.

"I think at the end of the day I'm the leader of this, part of the leadership group of this, and I've been very disappointed in all of it. But at the same time we're going to fix it. Jimmy and Dee have given me the support needed in order to feel that we're moving in the right direction and I think that's what we're gonna do."

I'd feel better if Jackson said he wasn't going to coach this team any longer. I'd even have taken a reasonable explanation from him on what he has done well here, other than a team playing hard while continually falling short.

"I think there's some players that have been developed," Jackson said. "When I look at Duke Johnson and what he's done this year. I think there was some hit and miss with David Njoku, it's not always consistent when you're talking about young players. I think there's even at times where DeShone did some good things.

"But again, I know what you're getting at, but at the same time, I think there's a lot of things that we've done well, we just haven't won the games. I think players playing hard in the National Football League is important. I think a locker room sticking together and fighting every week, I think that's really important in the National Football League, because it doesn't happen all the time. So I think there's a lot of things that we have done well. Obviously, the record is what it is, we can't run from that either."

Johnson totaled 1,041 yards from scrimmage but feels he could even do more. Njoku flashed here and there as one of the youngest players in the league. Jackson pointing to Kizer as one of the things he did well this year, after spending a season blaming the rookie and yanking him in and out of the lineup?

Still wondering what you did well, Hue Jackson. And why you're still here.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/hue_jackson_wont_admit_it_but.html

Exactly. Hue has gone out of his way to bash his players. It's nauseating to watch him continually play the victim role.

Hue did the same thing in Oakland so I suppose this really shouldn't be a surprise.

Just read that before you posted.

I agree.

I agree, 'peen. I've lost a great degree of respect for Hue unless I have taken his comments out of context...

And that's what a lot of people have done.

I sure hope that in the future we make sure any HC we hire, that they send him to a school of public speaking or maybe he needs to have been the White House press secretary on his resume.

From what people are saying about Dorsey's speaking, maybe we should do that for any GM hired in the future to.

The lynch mob is out in full force.

not for nothing but they deserve the lynch mob being out in full force.

while i don't have a problem with Hue coming back next season, i certainly wouldn't be upset if he got fired or traded. we lost at least 3 games due to trash coaching on both sides of the ball.

and yea, when a team is 0-16, the lynch mob will be out. i mean Hue was acting as if we went 8-8 and barely missed the playoffs or something.

I like Hue but do admit he has made some mistakes. It might not have been a bad idea to keep him after all simply because with all the teams looking for coaches we may have been the last place the top candidates would have wanted to come. JMO

Seriously, other than the players giving a high effort to the end, what exactly has he done to move this team forward? Personally, I don't want to see him "coaching up" any more of our young players.

A rich incompetent idiot playing make-believe (look ma! I own a football team!) with the lives of real people - one who still thinks he's the smartest man in the truck stop.

"I'm sorry Mr. GM - if you want a job here you WILL have Hue Jackson as the head coach. Because, reasons."

"Oh and by the way Mr. HC - new Mr. GM WILL be in charge of hiring/firing your entire coaching staff. Because, reasons."

Look ma! Watch how THIS plays out! *evil laugh*

That would fit nicely under the quote about DePodesta saying Wentz wasn't viewed as a top 20 QB.

How does a fish rot again?...

Kill job.

Huelarious:



When asked what Huebris has done well, his response:



ROFL

It will be interesting to see if the OC we hire has any HC coaching experience.

I think we kept Hue because Cincy has been sniffing around and we might be able to trade him.

I agree. If we hire Joe Philbin or Jim Caldwell the writing will be on the wall.

Hue just might be a big BSer...full of himself.

Not even Hue himself can point to any tangible evidence of him positively impacting the team.

Hue responding to Doug Lesmerises questions reminds me of Tom Smykowski during his meeting with the Bobs.

One of the Hue supporters on here needs to explain what it is that Hue did to help win games, what he did to make this team better, what he did to make players better. Instead of telling us we need continuity. The only consistency we have is losing. Not the continuity i'm looking for. Please tell me, no us, what exactly has he done to deserve to keep his job. Because we can see why he deserves to be fired.

Throwing the ball at a 2:1 ratio to running the ball with a rookie QB that has accuracy concerns is plenty of reason to dump him. We could go into other reasons, but I feel that is sufficient.

You guys want to know why this team sucked? Go look at the turnover differential stat this team had.. Ill give u a hint.. -27...
Thats MINUS 27. No coach that ever lived would have overcome that stat. Im guessing 90 percent of those were from the QB he got stuck with. Could he have protected his young QB more? Probably..but Crow running into to back of his OL or tripping on a blade of grass didnt help. Dropped passes by guys that looked like they were suprised the ball actually got to them within 5 yds didnt help either. I got no love for Hue..but if he gets a real QB and a decent corner..hes coaching will all of a sudden look much better.

Throwing at a 2:1 ratio to running. Why is it surprising to anyone we had a lot of turnovers? You just don't ask a rookie QB to throw the ball so much without risking that very thing. Hue called the plays. Over and over and over.

He had a roster. He either could not or would not adjust the game calling to try to play to whatever strengths the roster had. That is simply poor coaching.

Crowell averaged 4.1 yards per carry, Duke Johnson 4.2. No matter which way you spin it, we didn't run the ball enough.