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If this is truly what is going on, it's beyond stupid. Love or hate Hue, a HC should be the one making his coaching staff decisions. Not the GM/front office.

I just want to point out that Jackson has denied this, and the rumour started from Aditi, who is a born and raised Steelers fan with zero love for the Browns.

I can't see Dorsey trying to force coaches on Jackson, who'll apparently have no say in who his assistant coaches will be. That's nonsense. Same nonsense people had in saying that Jackson had no say in who his quarterback would be.

I feel more like people in the media just want to paint the Browns as a backwards, dysfunctional organization with zero regard for common sense.

Could very well be the case. Hue also said in his press conference yesterday bringing in an OC won't be a decision he'll make until sometime next week. (paraphrasing)

I read Hue's statement and was confused. If I kept a coach with this poor a record, I would demand the OC. This read like the choice is his to make of who, or perhaps even IF he is to have one.

I thought he was told this will be the way of it with one picked for you or by you or whatever. The status quo for 0-16 must be gone. If I am a check signer, then I would demand some sensible changes.

To Hue's credit, I admire that there is some indecision. I want an OC who can come in and be part of making positive changes. Adding an OC for the sake of adding an OC is something I'm against.

If we can add someone worth adding, that's great. If not, then Hue has to consider the direction he's trending and make appropriate changes, because this is undoubtedly his last chance to do something positive before being kicked out the door.

You do realize that you need players that have enough talent to "coach up" right?

What makes you think it was Hue that wanted McCown cut? Who says it was Hue who wanted Kizer to be the only QB on the roster that even had a shot to being the starter?

Hue is here but Sashi is gone. Maybe there are reasons for that.

I believe if there was a shot in hell that you were right about these things, Hue would be gone and Sashi would be here. Your math doesn't add up to the results.

Hue is the one who made the decisions on quarterback.

Yeah, the guy in charge of actually making the picks had nothing to do with it. That's why Hue was fired! Oh, wait a minute!

Pit, Hue himself says he has the biggest say when it comes to QB's. If Hue is the liar that you say he is, why does he get so much support from you?

I posted links of what Hue told Josh above, do you have any links of someone else making Hue's decisions for him?

I've seen that Depo link where he talks about what the team thought of Wentz. That really doesn't show Hue was lying when he said he had the greatest say when it comes to QB's. You got anything else?

Josh was told he was a short timer because Hue was enamored with RG3 and we got RG3. He wasn't even guaranteed to make the roster his first year because "Trust me on this one" thought he hit paydirt with Kessler. His buddy Silver told everyone what we already knew that he was all-in for Goff and didn't want Wentz at #2. Your painting of the picture that he was just trying to be a team player and just told his buddy that because he was a reporter would hold more water IF HE WASN'T ALSO AIRING THE TEAM'S DIRTY LAUNDRY TO THE EXACT SAME GUY!

Hue has his fingerprints on just about every QB that's come through the doors in the last couple of years and you keep pretending that he's a helpless victim and all of these QB's were forced on him.

Denile isn't a river in Egypt.

And yet Hue just came out and said that he wanted more say in the draft. Funny how that works isn't it?

Maybe you should get a grasp on what following the company line is.

But I guess it makes more sense that Hue got everything wrong and that's why Sashi was fired and Hue is still here. Maybe you need to look at the evidence of what actually went down and think about the fact that if Hue is the inept boob you seem to think he is, why is he still here and Sashi is the man who got fired?

Before you keep carrying on this way, you may want to give that some thought.

No, that's the same power play he tried to pull with the Raiders. Everything will get better if he gets more power. He threw his players under the bus there too and that is why he got fired. He wants to screw up the rest of the draft the same way he screwed up our QB's.

Eotab click that link I posted. It was Hue that asked Josh to be a QB coach.

And Sashi was fired because Hue got it all wrong? You keep refusing to see that Hue had a better grip on the QB position than Sashi did.

So let me get this straight... You're saying it was Hue who got it all wrong so Haslam fired Sashi?

You keep trying to avoid common sense. But you'll have that on some of these bigger jobs.

That's the way I took it Eotab. He didn't see him making the roster, but respected the effort he put in while he was here.



No the thief fired Sashi because Hue stabbed him in the back and went on his coordinated email campaign.

As for common sense, I'm not the guy that doesn't believe the 'QB Whisperer' is making the QB decisions when...

The QB Whisperer says it...
His Buddy says it...
Multiple media sources say it...
The QB's he picks say it...
The owner says it...
and The GM says it....

If common sense to you is all of those people are lying and it is all a big conspiracy against Hue, I don't think I can help you.

Now that Marvin Lewis has signed an extension I think we can lock this thread.

Keeping Hue Jackson insults Browns fans and the game: Bill Livingston

Updated 10:27 AM; Posted 7:56 AM

http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2018/01/cleveland_browns_2017_2.html



By Bill Livingston, The Plain Dealer

blivingston@plaind.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio - I speak for many of us when I say, where do we -- you, I, and your 30-year-old kid who's still living in the basement, playing video games -- sign up for a job with the Cleveland Browns?

If I missed deadline 31 times in 32 columns, I would not expect to be rewarded with more assignments or to last past the first few failures, despite my fervent comments that "I get it" and "Trust me" when my editors expressed their unhappiness.

Such an abysmal performance by any of us would not be tolerated by a competent boss with any respect for the standards of his profession or any awareness of the culture that such disregard for accountability would create.

One win in 32 games got Hue Jackson a third season as the Cleveland Browns coach.

One will do? Really?

Jackson seems to be best at office politics.

He has been oozing mistrust of the roster he was handed by former front office analytics maestro Sashi Brown; bruising rookie quarterback DeShone Kizer's confidence by benching him and by an unconsummated trade for a replacement; misusing Isaiah Crowell and deriding the running back's biggest play; but always reliably schmoozing the team owner, the clueless Jimmy Haslam, through whom Jackson lifted himself up on the bodies of those Haslam sacrificed.

Now the owner, once dubbed Hotspur for his rashness, has been reduced to Hapless Haslam by extending Jackson's inadequacy and calling it stability.

Jackson should be forevermore dubbed "One Will Do" Hue.

And the Browns, almost inconceivably, have become an even bigger national laughing stock after the 0-16 season because of Haslam's asinine decision to hang the albatross of this bungling coach and his ridiculous record around the neck of the new general manager, John Dorsey.

Pettine and Chud

Oh, how things have changed since Mike Pettine got the pink slip for going 10-22 in 2014-15. Ten wins is 10 times what "One Will Do" Hue managed, but they weren't enough to save Pettine. In the mix with Pettine were Swanboat Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon, and a car filled with other circus clowns.

Poor Rob Chudzinski won four games in his lone season, itself a betrayal of the Haslam mantra of patience and continuity. Chud also lost veteran quarterback Brian Hoyer, who was followed by draft bust, Brandon Weeden, who was followed by career-long retread, Jason Campbell.

The ignorance excuse

For a hands-on owner who couldn't fire 'em fast enough at first, being witless enough to keep Jackson might be a way of enlarging his "I knew nothing" defense in his truck stop empire's gas rebate scam.

Certainly, Haslam won't "win the fans back," a stated goal, by bringing this coach back.

The worst of the worst

The 2008 Detroit Lions, the only other 0-16 team, won two games the next season for a 2-30 mark. The coach of the 0-16 team, Rod Marinelli, was fired.

The worst NBA teams ever, the Charlotte Bobcats (7-59, .108 winning percentage in a shortened 2011-12 season) and the Philadelphia 76ers (9-73, .110 in 1972-73) at least won one of every 10 games.

The 1899 Cleveland Spiders, who four years earlier won the Gaslight Era's World Series, the Temple Cup, were 20-134, .130.

The Depression Era's Hugh Mulcahy carried the humiliating nickname of "Losing Pitcher" with the Philadelphia Phillies. Mulcahy's career won-lost record was 45-89, winning just over one in every three games. Mulcahy was Cy Young compared to "One Will Do" Hue.

The 1-31 Browns of 2016-17 have a .031 winning percentage. That's three wins in 100 games.

The Browns aren't just bad, they are colossally wretched.

They stink on the ice that is fast shackling the Lake Erie shoreline.

They scrape away the fans' fervor like snow plows, shoving aside loyalty to a team that had been treated as a family heirloom for decades and making it the object of a derisive, shameful planned parade dishonoring actual achievement and bitterly fixated on unbridled failure.

As soon as the calendar turned to the new year, "One will do" should have been "One and Done."

Bill Livingston needs to retire. His columns read terribly and are a poor reflection on his employer. I am wondering how he is still employed.

I disagree w/his moronic takes on Hue. I am happy Hue is still here and will be happy when Bill is sent to pasture.

first I am glad we have decided to stick with our head coach. I hope that goes for the bulk of our coaching. If there are any coaching changes at all I hope they are minimal.

second I do not think the people who take the opposite position are morons.

Why do you always start crap w/me? Serious question.

I didn't say "people." I said Livingston. I think the guy is a moron. Big deal. That isn't even close to being as bad as the comments people are making about Hue. You know.........the ones you ignore.

Sashi was fired because the front office and the coaches had a disconnect. Sashi was fired because he and Hue weren't on the same page. Sashi was fired because he was 100% not a football lifer.

Haslam sought advice about his winless team. That is why guys like Singletary, Manning, and Kraft came to Cleveland. Haslam wanted to know why he was losing. Advice given, and he chose the football lifer over the new school of thought. If you listen to Haslam and read the papers, everything in Cleveland is now hunky dory because we have "football lifers."

Sometimes common sense escapes common sense.

Bingo.

IIRC, the same was said when Hue was hired. I believe the disconnect has already started:

- the chain-of-command. If Hue reports to Haslam, but Dorsey can fire him?

- who is hiring the OC, Hue or Dorsey? Who decides who is THE guy?

A lot of conflicting information out there...

Dorsey can't fire Hue. Only Haslam can do that.

Hue would be in charge of hiring an OC. Hue decides who is THE guy.

The chain of command is pretty blatant. Everyone reports to Haslam.

You're missing the point. Hue was in charge of quarterbacks. Hue didn't want McCown. McCown was cut. Who cares when, it was Hue's decision. Hue didn't want Osweiler. Osweiler was cut.

Hue was in charge of quarterbacks.

This is like people defending Hue because the report is he actually wanted Wentz but not at 2. Guess what folks, if you didn't want Wentz with the 2nd pick, YOU DIDN'T WANT HIM.

j/c:

Shouldn't this thread be locked? I think it is apparent that Hue won't be "gone."

Hue's gone. It is just a matter of when he's gone now.

just received a 5 week extension lol after another 0-5 start Dorsey will win the argument.

j/c

I'm most certainly thrilled to have so many posters on this board who knows what has gone on behind closed doors in Berea these past two years.

I'm most certainly thrilled to have so many posters on this board who are willing to believe what this organization leaks to the press is gospel. That they don't understand that the HC, GM and others only tell the press what they want them to hear and not what's really going on.

I'm amazed at how easily they can tell us everything we need to know. How Sashi was such a great talent evaluator and Hue stinks.

That's why Hue is still here and Sashi is gone. Brilliant! lmao

The fact that posters still say Sashi was the talent evaluator is still pretty funny.

Fairly ironic how so many posters want Hue gone but are good with keeping Josh Gordon.

???? I don't see the comparison?

Yes, he was only the man in charge of making final decisions. He was responsible for the scouting department and and hiring a Pro scouting guy to evaluate draft picks. Yeah, he was the boss. But now a days passing the buck seems like all the rage.

What exactly WAS he responsible for as president of football operations? Not operating the football team? So who was in charge of making the final decisions in the draft? Let me guess, you're going to say Hue, right?