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I thought Alex Smith was under contract next year and that the only way to acquire him is through a trade or if he is released. Is that incorrect?
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I am 90% certain that is correct. If we want Alex Smith we need to trade for him.
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I thought Alex Smith was under contract next year and that the only way to acquire him is through a trade or if he is released. Is that incorrect?
He has a year left at $17 mil. That would be a one year band-aid for Denver because they really don't have the cap space to sign him LT. Eli might be a better option for Denver. He's got 2 years left at $21 mil each and would probably restructure for a contender at his age. The Manning brother hype would put butts in the seats too. Cousins' tag amount is $34 mil so he's looking for a LT contract at $30 mil a year. He isn't going to be an option for most playoff teams. Denver doesn't need a great QB to win, just an average one.
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Thanks for the info, but I was asking in reply to BDU's claim that Alex Smith would not choose the Browns. I was simply wondering if he had a choice because I didn't think he was a FA.
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Thanks for the info, but I was asking in reply to BDU's claim that Alex Smith would not choose the Browns. I was simply wondering if he had a choice because I didn't think he was a FA. I don't know if he has a no trade clause in his contract, but given that he was already traded once and resigned since it's possible. He's got leverage in that most teams wanting to trade for him will want to sign him LT as well.
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Hmmmmm.........that's interesting. Good info.
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I've looked at a couple articles about the possibility he could be traded... haven't seen anything about a no trade claus yet.... he'd be a one year bandaid unless he signed an extension
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My choice is to trade for Alex Smith. I do not want to depend on a rookie QB next year, We need to start winning and if Smith is available he would make the most sense.
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I think Dorsey likes Darnold and if Darnold chooses to stay in school, his fallback is Josh Allen, not Rosen. I think they hope McCarron becomes an unrestricted free agent who they sign to be the vet, so to speak, with Darnold or Allen the understudy.
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I think Dorsey likes Darnold and if Darnold chooses to stay in school, his fallback is Josh Allen, not Rosen. I think they hope McCarron becomes an unrestricted free agent who they sign to be the vet, so to speak, with Darnold or Allen the understudy. Why do you think that Dorsey doesn't like Rosen, but likes Darnold and Allen?
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My choice is to trade for Alex Smith. I do not want to depend on a rookie QB next year, We need to start winning and if Smith is available he would make the most sense. The tough thing with Smith is going to be the contract you sign him to and how that affects playing the next rookie you sign or even playing Kizer if he improves. I'm thinking that as long as we sign him to a decent contract he'd be trade-able if a younger QB pans out, but his agent may want more than a decent contract and some team may want to pay it. We have the money to pay anything he wants but there becomes a point where you pay him enough money and he's the starting QB whether you like it or not. I'm not sure if that is a bad thing because I've seen him make throws this year that I didn't know he could make. A lot of that is because of the conservative game plans in the past. My leanings toward rookie QB or Vet QB is both however and I hope his price tag or Cousins' price tag wouldn't change that.
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Darnold would be my #1 if he comes out which I don't think he will. But I think sitting him for a year or 2 (or until the vet then Kizer get injured so 7 games)
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I would much rather have Smith next year than any QB in the draft. Smith is proven and still has a few years left. As for what Smith would cost, i say pay it. He would instantly be the best QB we've had since Bernie. Let Kiser sit and learn from Smith.
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My choice is to trade for Alex Smith. I do not want to depend on a rookie QB next year, We need to start winning and if Smith is available he would make the most sense. The tough thing with Smith is going to be the contract you sign him to and how that affects playing the next rookie you sign or even playing Kizer if he improves. I'm thinking that as long as we sign him to a decent contract he'd be trade-able if a younger QB pans out, but his agent may want more than a decent contract and some team may want to pay it. We have the money to pay anything he wants but there becomes a point where you pay him enough money and he's the starting QB whether you like it or not. I'm not sure if that is a bad thing because I've seen him make throws this year that I didn't know he could make. A lot of that is because of the conservative game plans in the past. My leanings toward rookie QB or Vet QB is both however and I hope his price tag or Cousins' price tag wouldn't change that. I hope they learned their lesson that while as tempting as playing the rookie is, our best hope is to get a servicaeble QB here that can bridge for a year or two or three while the rookie comes along. If that is Smith or Cousins then you are in a very good position for not only climbing out of the cellar but giving the rookie every chance to succeed
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I would much rather have Smith next year than any QB in the draft. Smith is proven and still has a few years left. As for what Smith would cost, i say pay it. He would instantly be the best QB we've had since Bernie. Let Kiser sit and learn from Smith. Plus Smith is a vet who has won. McCaron is a vet that has not played much. It is true that he has played for Hue, but in terms of game experience there is still much about him that is unknown. If Dalton can keep him on the bench, is he really a vet that a rookie can learn from ?
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Just my opinion based on what Dorsey is looking for in a QB.
"What qualities does he seek in a quarterback?
“Got to win — No. 1,” Dorsey said. “You have to have the physical skills that we all see. Feet are important in today’s football. Accuracy is very important. Do they have the mindset of the head coach? Can they comprehend and digest that playbook?
“Do guys naturally gravitate to him from a leadership component? What does he do in adverse situations? How does he react? Can he extend the play? Can he drive it and win it at the end of the game? These are the little things you look for."
I asked this before, but based on the above, which of the top QBs potentially in the draft possess these traits - as best as we can assess?
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I think Dorsey likes Darnold and if Darnold chooses to stay in school, his fallback is Josh Allen, not Rosen. I think they hope McCarron becomes an unrestricted free agent who they sign to be the vet, so to speak, with Darnold or Allen the understudy. Why do you think that Dorsey doesn't like Rosen, but likes Darnold and Allen? And why do people think McCarron is a “vet” that’s worth anything? I’d just as soon keep Hogan if we aren’t interested in improving the position. McCarron is nothing.
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Hue likes McCarron - that is pretty obvious and while he has limited game experience, he has been in the league for 4 years and knows Hue's offense. Makes sense to me that they would consider brining him in as he vet/bridge guy for whoever they draft, unless it is Rosen, who I think starts day 1.
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Rosen possesses some of those things. Accuracy. Elevating others. Winning it at the end. Driving it. Comprehending the playbook. Physical skills. Good feet.
Bottom line for me.............Rosen is leaps and bounds above every other qb in the draft. I think we will draft him for that reason.
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Agree on Rosen's trait assessment.
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Bottom line for me.............Rosen is leaps and bounds above every other qb in the draft. I think we will draft him for that reason.
My worry about Rosen is less his attitude and more his injury history. I worry we could be getting a Bradford QB (i.e. constantly injured, out of games or on the IR).
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Bottom line for me.............Rosen is leaps and bounds above every other qb in the draft. I think we will draft him for that reason.
My worry about Rosen is less his attitude and more his injury history. I worry we could be getting a Bradford QB (i.e. constantly injured, out of games or on the IR). Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Rosen had 3 concussions this past season. Isn't it true, the more concussions you have, the harder it is to come back from? He also had a hand injury to his non-throwing hand, and shoulder surgery last year.
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I think he had two concussions. And so what if he had a hand injury to his non-throwing hand?
We'll see what happens, but I predict that he is our pick.
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Bottom line for me.............Rosen is leaps and bounds above every other qb in the draft. I think we will draft him for that reason.
My worry about Rosen is less his attitude and more his injury history. I worry we could be getting a Bradford QB (i.e. constantly injured, out of games or on the IR). Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Rosen had 3 concussions this past season. Isn't it true, the more concussions you have, the harder it is to come back from? He also had a hand injury to his non-throwing hand, and shoulder surgery last year. The concussions scare me too, but a doctor can determine if there is an issue with a brain scan. I'm not worried about the hand and shoulder.
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I thought Alex Smith was under contract next year and that the only way to acquire him is through a trade or if he is released. Is that incorrect?
He has a year left at $17 mil. That would be a one year band-aid for Denver because they really don't have the cap space to sign him LT. Eli might be a better option for Denver. He's got 2 years left at $21 mil each and would probably restructure for a contender at his age. The Manning brother hype would put butts in the seats too. Cousins' tag amount is $34 mil so he's looking for a LT contract at $30 mil a year. He isn't going to be an option for most playoff teams. Denver doesn't need a great QB to win, just an average one.
They seem to be on the down swing and a lot of their good talent is getting old and past their prime. That is not the Denver team of 2 years ago.
One other thing on the ELI front (the guy I want here) Haslam has ties with the Manning family via Tennessee and Payton.
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what remains to be seen is Dorsey's "accepting" of off the field issues ... some GMs are very lenient, some are not. We'll see where he is. (I'm guessing he will be lenient, since he drafted Tyreke Hlll)
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I think he had two concussions. And so what if he had a hand injury to his non-throwing hand?
We'll see what happens, but I predict that he is our pick. Vers. Would this change your mind on taking Rosen #1? Preface this with NONE of you who keep blowing off Cousins because he won't want to come here have a CLUE as to what Cousins thinks about Hue Jackson, Dorsey, Gordon, Duke, Njoku, the City of Cleveland etc. Or even the OC we bring in. Vers. IF Cousins came here Long Term, would you be satisfied landing Minkah-Fitzpatrick and Barkley? I could even see a move down to 2 or 3 happening. Does Indy trust the health of Luck's shoulder? Do they go OT? Diam? Pit? Bone? Anyone? Would signing Cousins and landing Minkah-Fitzpatrick and Barkley satisfy you?
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Would signing Cousins and landing Minkah-Fitzpatrick and Barkley satisfy you? "Satisfied"...perhaps, but encouraged may better describe it. Would also consider Sutton, WR, at #4...
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My choice is to trade for Alex Smith. I do not want to depend on a rookie QB next year, We need to start winning and if Smith is available he would make the most sense. The problem is he is a West Coast QB and he has trouble throwing downfield which is exactly what Hue Jackson wants out of his QB... Also, he's not a 40+ pass attempt per game kind of guy. He's best when he has a running game and our coach has no desire to run the ball that much...
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I think he had two concussions. And so what if he had a hand injury to his non-throwing hand?
We'll see what happens, but I predict that he is our pick. Vers. Would this change your mind on taking Rosen #1? Preface this with NONE of you who keep blowing off Cousins because he won't want to come here have a CLUE as to what Cousins thinks about Hue Jackson, Dorsey, Gordon, Duke, Njoku, the City of Cleveland etc. Or even the OC we bring in. Vers. IF Cousins came here Long Term, would you be satisfied landing Minkah-Fitzpatrick and Barkley? I could even see a move down to 2 or 3 happening. Does Indy trust the health of Luck's shoulder? Do they go OT? Diam? Pit? Bone? Anyone? Would signing Cousins and landing Minkah-Fitzpatrick and Barkley satisfy you? Just chiming in ... the reason I haven't put any stock in Cousins is that he won't come here IMO ... like zero chance (not that I blame him). I can see him in Denver, Jacksonville, Arizona, either New York team, etc ... before coming here
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Whip, there was a time when I thought getting Cousins would be good. I preferred Jimmy G over him, but I thought Cousins would be a good option, too. I always doubted if he would ever sign here given our instability and history of so many losing seasons.
At this point in time, I would much rather go w/Rosen than Cousins. I think this guy has it. He's the guy to turn this franchise around. He's sitting right there for us and we can't afford to let another excellent qb slip through our fingers.
Also, I would not want to draft a RB w/one of our first round picks.
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With Bradford, Keenum and Bridgewater all with the Vikings, there has been speculation of one or maybe 2 of them being let go. Are you still in favor of Teddy ?
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I think it has to be Bradford.
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I would be if he were healthy. However, I think they keep him if he is healthy.
That was a horrific injury. As much as I love the guy, I have serious doubts about him being healthy.
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I thought Alex Smith was under contract next year and that the only way to acquire him is through a trade or if he is released. Is that incorrect?
He has a year left at $17 mil. That would be a one year band-aid for Denver because they really don't have the cap space to sign him LT. Eli might be a better option for Denver. He's got 2 years left at $21 mil each and would probably restructure for a contender at his age. The Manning brother hype would put butts in the seats too. Cousins' tag amount is $34 mil so he's looking for a LT contract at $30 mil a year. He isn't going to be an option for most playoff teams. Denver doesn't need a great QB to win, just an average one.
They seem to be on the down swing and a lot of their good talent is getting old and past their prime. That is not the Denver team of 2 years ago.
One other thing on the ELI front (the guy I want here) Haslam has ties with the Manning family via Tennessee and Payton.
For those thinking that he would never want to come here.
jmhoThey still have a great defense and the offensive weapons that their current QB's just couldn't get the ball to. I would mind Eli here. He's not elite in my opinion, but he's better than average.
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I believe AJ McCarron will be our starter next season. We'll make him an offer the first day of free agency and the Bengals won't match it. We'll still pick a QB at #1 or #4 for grooming. Kizer will be the #2 unless he's bumped by the Rookie.
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I believe AJ McCarron will be our starter next season. We'll make him an offer the first day of free agency and the Bengals won't match it. We'll still pick a QB at #1 or #4 for grooming. Kizer will be the #2 unless he's bumped by the Rookie. In other words, we will still be looking for a QB in 2019 because McCarron isn't the answer.
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I have a better idea.
We should slap a McCarron name tag on Kessler's jersey.
It would be a lot cheaper and Hue wouldn't know the difference.
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/01/aj_mccarron_doesnt_foresee_fut.htmlAJ McCarron has his grievance date set on Feb. 15th. It will determine if he's a free agent or a restricted free agent. If he's an RFA, he'll be tendered with a draft pick that a team will have to give up if they sign him. The Bengals also have the chance to match the contract.
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I think it has to be Bradford. Bradford reportedly may retire.
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