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Phillip Rivers
Dak Prescott
Joe Flacco
Matthew Stafford
Kirk Cousins
Andy Dalton

The 6 QBS I listed are under the title franchise QB.
And not one of them are in the playoffs in 2017.

My point being there's a thought around here that if and when the Browns land a franchise QB then all of their problems will be solved playoffs here we come
That's nothing more than a myth
This franchise a lot of holes to fill so many weaknesses to address outside of qb.
One of the biggest issues hurting this team is it culture of losing and perception from the NFL and college
Josh Rosen already said what a lot of college players privately think and say
They are in fear of being drafted by the Browns

John Dorsey has his work cutout
He's never had to turn around a 0 16 franchise before
Thats job that you don't find on a GMs resume
Took a team from 0 16 to 4 12 and then playoffs

But there's more work to be done than just finding that franchise qb to revive a franchise that has lost to Landry Jones twice

Those are all just mediocre QBs who would make us light years better. I would love to sign Kirk Cousins. It would transform our offense immediately.

I agree the quarterback position is often mythologized beyond reality. It is the most important position with the most impact on the team, but a whole lot more is required for a team to truly be a contender.

Before we see any form of true success, I think the Browns desperately need to upgrade quiet a few positions.

What is arguably even more important, in my opinion, is discipline. The Browns were killed by mental errors and lack of discipline. Too many penalties, plays for a loss, turnovers/lack of takeaways, missed tackles, blown assignments, drops, missed blocks and miscommunication.

That'll be the largest step towards turning it all around. A lot of that, I hope, is just experience, but in year three that starts to become more excuse than reason.

Be it Kizer, a free agent or a draft selection, the team has to be better around him. If you love Kizer or hate him, it's fair to say that not enough went right around him.

A franchise QB makes a mediocre team talented enough to compete.

No QB and you go 0-16.

Find a QB.

Sure, but a competent, capable QB is a helluva start. I mean look at the Texans. With Watson, they look pretty good. 3 and 4, trending upwards. With Savage/TJ Yates, they win one game over the rest of the season. 1 and 8.

See the difference?


There's certainly more to the puzzle than a QB. But if you don't have a decent QB, you don't even know what your pieces really look like...............


We can address all sorts of things, as long as we have bad QB play we'll be bad. Just the way it goes

Flacco and Dalton don't belong on that list.

There are many other teams without QBs that did not go 0-16. Some of them are in the playoffs.

Some, or one? The only QB situation i can find even comparable to ours in the playoffs is the Jaguars. And even that is a stretch

The Jaguars benched Blake Bortles for Chad Henne in the preseason and their head coach said that the ideal gameplan would have Bortles not throwing at all.

The Bills benched Tyrod Taylor for Nathan Peterman midseason. He will likely be released this off-season.

Eh, still a bit of a stretch. I don't like Brussel Sprouts, but I'd rather eat them than a turd.


Taylor was way ahead of where Kizer was this year. So was Bortles (and a benching in preseason means nothing. Preseason isn't the best indicator).


Kizer never should have been put out there. As inexperienced as he was, not being a stellar college QB, and being that young.

I think we are having two different conversations. I just meant they don't have a QB going forward.

Either way, there are horrible QBs winning multiple games in the league (McCown, Cutler, Hundley, Trubisky, etc. One could argue that those teams are more talented than us (I would say were are pretty similar to the Jets and Bears), but winning zero games is basically impossible to do.

Neither does Dak.

Gotcha. Agreed.

You don't have to have a good QB to make the playoffs. But i'll tell ya, it sure makes it much easier.



And my point was that DeShone Kizer was far worse than probably any season starting QB in the NFL this year. Except maybe that Tom Savage (didn't he start the season for Houston?)



There are things I like about Kizer. And i'm certainly not ready to give up on him. I hope he keeps working, keeps maturing, and figures it out. But there's no way he should have been given the reigns to this season.

And the playcalling should have been adjusted more for him. lol, he's out there audibling plays, throwing a ton of times a game. They certainly took a guy that never should have had the job and decided not to make it any easier for him.


But anyway, my point being is that a QB would have helped us a lot this year. Had we had Josh McCown (and had he not gotten injured very early in the season), i think we would have won a couple games.

QB is the biggest reason we went 0-16

Question is, do we have enough talent on our team to support another rookie QB? We have no depth, so injuries at our key skill positions torpedoed us this year

Do we include the coaching staff among that talent? If yes, then no.

The offensive line is pretty good, David Njoku has the potential to be a total beast, Duke Johnson is a major weapon, and the wide receivers should be pretty good if another player is added to Josh Gordon and Corey Coleman.

You forgot Carr, Wilson, Winston, and Manning.


The other part of that is always head coach. You have to have a head coach.

Also of the quarterbacks you mentioned, I believe 4 of them were above .500.

I thought about Dak too, but he is still young and Dez did him no favors.

What is the definition of franchise QB these days anyway?

Seems like a moving target.

If those guys aren't franchise QBs then is the definition of franchise QB now become potential hall of fame QB?

It’s never clear.

Have you been to the bills message boards? They want to get rid of tyrod taylor, even thought he got them into the playoffs.

Apparently being a playoff QB isn’t considered a franchise QB, so I dunno.

Flacco and Dalton are considered franchise qbs
Im Just pointing out the Browns are simply more than just a qb away from even being a mere .500 team
The team is really void of playmakers on both sides of the ball
What player has game changing skills or is a difference maker?

If you don’t need to draft a QB, you have a franchise QB.

I'm very curious to see what the Bills do with Tyrod.

Sounds like they want to dump him. Some team will pick him up and get good results.

We should consider drafting two QB's.

heck imagine if we draft two QBs in round 1...will never happen, yet just imagine...first one works out and we have our franchise QB, you then trade the QB whom has sat a whole year to be seasoned...trade him for a kings ransom as QBs are by far the most treasures position in all of football...you can regain your pick and probably another relatively high pick.

Worst case scenario...both turn into busts...but hey least you tried so solve this dilemma that we have had for 19 years now.

Will never happen, but it's not like anything else has ever worked.

I don't mind that approach (Washington did it with RG3 and Kirk Cousins, and it worked), but that would mean giving up on Kizer.


We're going to have to bring in a veteran. Kessler and Hogan are gone.

So, two rookies, Kizer, and a veteran is 4 QBs. That's one too many.



I think it's a bit early to write off the 21 year old kid put in the toughest position to be in in the NFL (on the Browns, with a gameplan made for a vet, throwing the ball 30+ times a game, with receivers who can't get open and who drop the ball.



I do think we need a QB. But to just give up entirely on Kizer already (by drafting two of them) seems a bit drastic

I don't know about anyone else - but I think of a franchise QB as someone who can strap the team on their back and tack them to the playoffs despite the talent around him and not because of it. . . . An elite QB ... being an "Average NFL QB" in this day and age means you keep your job and the team doesn't go and draft your replacement and to me that doesn't translate into 'franchise QB.

To me Dalton is a perfect example of a non-franchise QB. He's good enough to get them regular season wins but does anyone think he's good enough to go deep in the playoffs? ... then there are the "hope they are franchise QB's" .... Dak, Mariotta, and Winston .... they look the part for stretches but they have yet to really prove it. I thought Mariotta and Winston were on their way but both seemed to take big steps back this year. jmo