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Purp...........getting on mac and ignoring dudes like Vambo, Dep, device, cfrs, Tony, Rasta, etc is a bit odd.

mac is way more fair than they are and he isn't very fair. LOL

I'm under no obligation whatsoever to balance who I call out for things just so that you feel I'm being fair, nor are you responsible for "policing" that with anyone.

The Chiefs are in first place, and the Panthers have won 10 games. Both are a good bet to make the playoffs for the fourth time in five years, and yet the general managers who were hired at the start of that stretch spent much of this calendar year unemployed. And there’s no doubt John Dorsey and Dave Gettleman put good players on those rosters.

So where was the problem? It was the rest of the job.

Dorsey’s issue in Kansas City was co-workers felt he freelanced with some calls (paying Eric Fisher; drafting Kevin Hogan) and dragged his feet on others (Eric Berry, Justin Houston contracts), which led to festering office politics. Meanwhile, Gettleman’s blunt, hard-nosed manner with long-time Panther employees and in contract talks created friction for his boss, and ran counter to the organization’s well-established culture.

The lesson? Simple. What’s demanded out of the guy occupying the GM’s chair goes well beyond what he can control with the clicker in a dark room.

“It can’t just be the meathead football guy,” said an NFC GM. “That doesn’t fly with ownership, it doesn’t fly with community relations, and that’s not how a lot of the younger scouts think. You have to be able to lead in a different way. … We’re doing our draft meetings now, we have ‘kids’ in there, 26, 27, 28 years old, and they’re all very different in how they think.”

Says an AFC GM of the job: “You’re really touching everything that has to do with the football team. It’s the field, video, trainers, doctors, the players, coaches; you’re involved in football ops, travel, logistics. And yeah, you have other people who are in charge of that stuff, but they look to you for the final stamp on it. … Why is the footing on the field bad? Stuff like that, being on the road, that you’d never think of.”

In this week’s Game Plan, we’re going to check on Nick Foles’ first outing as the Eagles starter, and why it worked; examine the Colts’ rebuild and the Patriots’ new problem; and also look at the Bills’ resurgence, and the Panthers’ present and future.

But we’re starting with the column I started at the Boston Globe, carried with me over to NFL Network, and have continued here the past couple years at The MMQB.

This is the ninth installment of my annual future GM list, and every year we try to pluck out a trend to kick things off. This year has been a weird one in that particular job market. Eight GMs (or de facto GMs) have been fired since the last weekend of last season—in San Francisco, Indianapolis, Washington, Buffalo, Kansas City, Carolina, Cleveland and New York. Only one went down at the traditional time of immediately following Week 17.

The others: Jan. 21, March 9, April 30, June 23, July 17, Dec. 3, Dec. 7. In each case, there was some level of dysfunction in the building. In a few, it came despite the fact the team was winning and the roster was stocked. And so hiring teams will be seeking a personnel boss with this question in mind: Can the guy lead and manage people?

“This job, you can’t just watch tape all day,” said another NFC GM. “You have the equipment guy reporting to you, the video guy reporting to you, you’re managing the roster, working with the cap guy, handling the owner. There’s a difference between being a personnel director and being a GM. They’re different jobs. … And I think with Gettleman and Dorsey, it was more, ‘I just wanna watch tape.’”

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/12/21/future-general-managers-nick-caserio-eliot-wolf-nfl-notes-mmqb

Interesting text this morning from friends in the right places....

“They don’t think Darnold is coming out. Dorsey AND MAJORITY scouts have Baker Mayfield as top QB. Hue wants Rosen”

https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/944243196133105664

Jake Burns, who writes and does film for WFNY Cleveland, tweeted this out...



Lord, I hope not. Not again.

Jake Burns, who writes and does film for WFNY Cleveland, tweeted this out...



Lord, I hope not. Not again.

Jake Burns, who writes and does film for WFNY Cleveland, tweeted this out...



Lord, I hope not. Not again.

My concern - Dorsey made it clear he's deciding if these scouts are going to be retained or not. In that situation, I think most people would swallow their pride and suck up to their new boss.

He's on record as saying he thinks Mayfield is a baller. If he's made it clear in-house that he thinks so, it wouldn't shock me if a bunch of people are aligning their opinion with the new GM.

Especially at this time of year. Nobody wants to be fired in the lead up to Christmas.

I think we just identify the best quarterback for us and take him #1 even if it's Mayfield. No sense in getting cute. Who is to say that 3 QBs won't get drafted in the first 5 picks?

jc...

For me, this season (2017) has been the most disappointing..far worse than I could have predicted or imagined. In some respects, my worst fears realized.

Two years ago, the Browns tried to shock the world with the move toward analytics with a one of a kind management team. I never believed the results would be so painful to me personally.

As a Browns fan, other than the period of time we were without a team, 2016 and 2017 have been among the most painful, for me.

This has to be rock bottom...it has to get better...it can't get worse than this.

for me, this season (2017) has been the most disappointing..far worse than I could have predicted or imagined. In some respects, my worst fears realized.


mac...pretty sure that would be for EVERYONE!

Heck, the fifth pick may draw alot of interest for a trade down...

I saw this season coming as I predicted 1,win.
The defense was lacking that veteran leadership and I felt the offense
Was garbage in light of the big oline signings cause at the end of the day you need playmakers on offense
But yet again this team was over rated in the off season as it is every year
People saying 6 wins 8 wild card.
Uh huh.

Let’s hope for our sake this isn’t true. Dorsey and hue need to be on the same page as to who is the franchise qb in the draft.

Not true for me. The worst season for me was two years ago Pettine's second/final season. We were 3-13 and we had no hope for the future. Everything we were had to be changed. We had to get rid of the GM, the HC. We had the oldest defense in the league and not much on offense. We had a young quarterback who didn't care about football, but more about drugs and fame. Our best receiver was an aged TE who did nothing the year before and nothing the year after. The complaint was how short our receivers were. We needed to redo everything, we knew it was coming and we knew we were going to lose a lot.

Despite the record, I have far more optimism for the immediate future. We have a far better base of young hungry players who love football. We are missing only a quarterback and a few other players. Using the upcoming draft with 5 picks in top 65 to gain those players, I'm far more optimistic about our near future than the season two years ago when we literally had nothing to play for...and each lose explained just how bad we were and how long it would be until we were good again. With the right moves, we could be good next year.

GM John Dorsey will speak today with #Packers executive Alonzo Highsmith for a potential assistant GM role, source confirms (as @AaronNagler reported). Highsmith is respected in GB.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/948227431093145600

No surprise and could be an impactful pairing. One hundred percent Football guys

https://twitter.com/wyche89/status/948233965042724864

Dorsey and Highsmith would give the #Browns a pair of really good evaluators who also understand the team building process. Highsmith doesn't get enough credit for his eye for talent or his overall understanding of the game and a championship culture

https://twitter.com/BuckyBrooks/status/948237071529005056

I love Alonzo Highsmith, and highly regarded him as a potential GM, so getting him as assistant GM would be an incredible addition.

Dorsey kicking off the offseason RIGHT.

Yes, that would be a great pickup if we pull it off.

Alonzo Highsmith, the #Packers long-time senior personnel executive, is expected to join GM John Dorsey's staff with the Cleveland Browns, a source said. Currently working out the final details. A major loss for Packers scouting department.

Getting Alonzo Highsmith to go with John Dorsey is the best thing for the Browns. Two terrific personnel men who were together with the Packers. I've known Highsmith since 1987, and he's an outstanding personnel man.

https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/948304123954425856