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To think that if we would have had a real football guy who would have been willing to listen to Hue, our qb situation would have been solved by trading for Jimmy G.


Tons of lolz. Oh, the irony of a comment like this.


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To think that if we would have had a real football guy who would have been willing to listen to Hue, our qb situation would have been solved by trading for Jimmy G.


Tons of lolz. Oh, the irony of a comment like this.


JG would have been an improvement over our current (then) QB room, but he likely would not have turned our team around as he did with the 49'ers. Remember, he has Kyle and we've got Hue. I'll assume that most of us believe Kyle's offense is superior to Hue's. It is possible that we still would have been winless but we shall never know...


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To think that if we would have had a real football guy who would have been willing to listen to Hue, our qb situation would have been solved by trading for Jimmy G.


Tons of lolz. Oh, the irony of a comment like this.


JG would have been an improvement over our current (then) QB room, but he likely would not have turned our team around as he did with the 49'ers. Remember, he has Kyle and we've got Hue. I'll assume that most of us believe Kyle's offense is superior to Hue's. It is possible that we still would have been winless but we shall never know...


A good QB can easily do this for a team in terms of improvement...on any team. That's not why I posted what I posted.


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To think that if we would have had a real football guy who would have been willing to listen to Hue, our qb situation would have been solved by trading for Jimmy G.


Tons of lolz. Oh, the irony of a comment like this.


JG would have been an improvement over our current (then) QB room, but he likely would not have turned our team around as he did with the 49'ers. Remember, he has Kyle and we've got Hue. I'll assume that most of us believe Kyle's offense is superior to Hue's. It is possible that we still would have been winless but we shall never know...


A good QB can easily do this for a team in terms of improvement...on any team. That's not why I posted what I posted.


I know. It was a spot where I could post what I wanted to say... thumbsup


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We lament over QBs that we can't or don't or wont pick up or trade for but could have had most of these guys right off the bat. There, in a nutshell, has been this organizations big issue.

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We blame Sashi for a lot, and rightfully so, just remember WR has been a mess before Sashi had control. Farmer felt that WR was a position that could be filled from the lower rounds, if then. WE were ecstatic that Sashi chose 4 WR and a TE ( Devalve ), who had also played out wide, in the same draft. Farmer also chose Manziel instead of Bridgewater, or Garrapolo and chased off Shanahan.

What I've noticed is not that Haslam does nothing, like Lerner did, but that Haslam over corrects to the extreme. Holmgren/Heckert to Banner/Lombardi, to Farmer, to Sashi, each were polar opposites from their predecessors. Former Coach/GM to Czar/Yesman, to inexperienced know it all former player, to Harvard Statistical Analysis, and now to an experienced GM.

Perhaps, if way back when, Haslam had just gotten rid of Holmgren sitting around doing nothing, and keeping Heckert, we would have been better off. It is all water under the bridge now, but maybe Haslam is learning as he goes.


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Reading the article below, I hope the Garoppolo missed opportunity turns out to be "the low point" for Browns franchise.

In the 23 months under Sashi Brown's leadership the Browns front office established quite a reputation for themselves. Players don't want to come here and at least one other team didn't want to deal with the Browns approach to making a deal.

Our new GM, John Dorsey, now has to rely on his reputation and experience to begin to repair the image and reputation of the Browns. Dorsey does have a lot of work ahead of him and how long it will take?...that is a tough one to answer and it is not necessarily measured in wins.

 





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Did Jimmy Garoppolo affect Browns' front-office change?

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brown...t-office-change

Pat McManamonESPN Staff Writer

The saga of Jimmy Garoppolo might tell more about the Cleveland Browns than first indicated.

As the Browns continue to search for a quarterback, the San Francisco 49ers are gushing over the fact that they have him. His late-season play changed everything about a struggling team, and showed the importance of finding the right quarterback.

The Browns can point to DeShone Kizer and the draft as possible solutions, but the question remains: Why didn’t the Browns acquire Garoppolo when the New England Patriots traded him midseason?

There might be no clear answer.

But there are clear perceptions -- and those perceptions certainly point to the trade deadline as one factor in why Browns owner Jimmy Haslam made a front-office change to John Dorsey in December. In Haslam’s mind, the setup he created with Sashi Brown as vice president of football operations and Hue Jackson as coach could no longer exist.

The Garoppolo saga might be an indicator why.

In the offseason, the Browns inquired often about trading for Garoppolo, and left the many phone calls and discussions with the Patriots believing Bill Belichick would not trade him.

The Browns were convinced that Belichick felt he had to have Garoppolo as an insurance policy in case Tom Brady, 40, got injured.

But as the trade deadline approached, Garoppolo -- a guy Belichick drafted in the second round -- was suddenly shipped to San Francisco.

The deal was a surprise to the NFL. That it wasn’t the Browns pulling the trigger on the deal was puzzling, but what made it worse was that the 49ers gave up only a second-round draft pick. With two first-round picks, the Browns could have easily offered more for Garoppolo.

A lengthy analysis of the Patriots' situation related to Belichick, Brady and owner Robert Kraft from ESPN’s Seth Wickersham reports that Belichick more or less decided he would deal with Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers:

“One morning in late October, Belichick texted San Francisco 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan and asked him to call. Belichick had long admired Kyle's father, Mike, who not only had been one of the NFL's smartest tacticians but had also personally defended Belichick to commissioner Roger Goodell during the Spygate scandal. At the combine this past February, Kyle, weeks into the 49ers job after being the offensive coordinator for the Falcons, met with Belichick for hours to learn from his team's humiliating Super Bowl loss. Belichick believed that Garoppolo would excel under Shanahan, and when he and Shanahan connected on the phone, Belichick offered the quarterback for a second-rounder.”

To hear this tale, Belichick never considered the Browns. The story makes it sound as if, in a fit of pique over being told by Kraft to trade Garoppolo, Belichick followed orders and traded with the person he wanted, not with the team that could give him the best offer.

The Browns have never commented publicly, but the team felt Belichick wanted nothing to do with the Browns and sending Garoppolo to Cleveland. The reason gets to a lot of speculation.

One factor ESPN’s Chris Mortensen has reported is that Garoppolo’s agent, Don Yee, made it clear Garoppolo would not sign a long-term contract with the Browns. However, an agent and player have only so much control in this situation. Any team that acquired Garoppolo would merely have to apply the franchise tag to keep him, and the Browns had the cap room to do just that.

If it was evident to Belichick that Garoppolo did not want to join a losing -- and bad -- situation in Cleveland, he might have gone along with the player’s desire. Trading with San Francisco also resulted in Belichick getting a needed backup he knew in Brian Hoyer, something the Browns could not provide.

The Browns’ front office also believed that Belichick retains lingering resentment over how he was treated in Cleveland and would not deal with the Browns. But that certainly did not come into play when the Browns acquired Jamie Collins from the Patriots in 2016.

Another factor is that Belichick knew how good Garoppolo could be and wanted him out of the AFC.

Except the Browns could have offered a draft choice that has turned out to be the No. 4 pick in the draft, and the Patriots would have been better served.

The view of the coaching staff in Cleveland -- a staff desperate for a win -- was that, if a team wants to trade for a guy, it has to make it happen, not sit back and wait for it to happen.

The Browns were aggressive in the offseason but were blindsided by this trade during the season. They were in touch with the Patriots, but not to the point that Belichick called them when he was told to trade Garoppolo, a player he had staunchly fought against trading for months.

Cleveland's coaching staff felt that being proactive could have had the Browns in a position to make a better offer. If you want a guy, you have to go get him.

The front office would say: We had no chance to get him. Belichick dealt only with the 49ers. And we had no reason to believe he had changed his mind about not trading him.

That Belichick wound up trading Garoppolo to Shanahan has to be another bitter pill for the Browns to accept. Shanahan was with the Browns for one season, was involved in the Ray Farmer texting situation, lived through Johnny Manziel and was allowed out of his contract in Cleveland by Haslam after he made several points why he wanted out. Now it’s Shanahan who has the quarterback the Browns wanted?

The ramifications were easily evident. Shaken that a quarterback they wanted was in San Francisco, the Browns made a move to acquire Cincinnati Bengals backup AJ McCarron -- and offered the Bengals more for McCarron than the 49ers gave for Garoppolo.

Then they didn’t get the paperwork submitted in time. And became the subject of national ridicule.

That happened on Oct. 31.

Haslam hired Dorsey on Dec. 7 to replace Brown. When he did, Haslam said the trade deadline machinations had nothing to do with the move. But he also said that he had started talking to candidates to replace Brown about four weeks before the hire.

One week after the trade deadline.


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No past Browns GM justified keeping his job
How many former Browns GMS went on to be GMS elsewhere ?
Farmer Heckert Brown are the.reasons why this team is 1 31 over 2 seasons

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With the picks we've had over the years... It sickens one to think about what could/should have been..

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I'm still holding out that one of these young WR's will start to get it. It takes a few years sometimes for WR's and our QB's have done them no favors.

I'm not holding my breath though because signs of life are non-existent.

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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
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To think that if we would have had a real football guy who would have been willing to listen to Hue, our qb situation would have been solved by trading for Jimmy G.


Tons of lolz. Oh, the irony of a comment like this.


JG would have been an improvement over our current (then) QB room, but he likely would not have turned our team around as he did with the 49'ers. Remember, he has Kyle and we've got Hue. I'll assume that most of us believe Kyle's offense is superior to Hue's. It is possible that we still would have been winless but we shall never know...


A good QB can easily do this for a team in terms of improvement...on any team. That's not why I posted what I posted.


Did you not receive a message from the refs about cluttering the board w/bickering? Be careful.

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Okay Dep. I am unfair and guys like you, device, Vambo, rasta, etc are all very objective.





More objective than you, that's for sure.

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