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That's a terrible T shirt.

Hue should be forced to wear it.

You are operating on the assumption that Hue is a good coach, when in reality he is mediocre...

Hue has been a mediocre coach all his life, not a single thing stand out of his career, its all average with many mediocrity...

It wasn't the FO that undermined the coaching staff, the coaching staff and football guys in the browns were the ones that sunk the project due to their incompetence.

And by the way, I think an OC will be hired, and most probably Gregg Williams is going to get axed, so players will have to learn a new O and D either way.

Why would Williams get axed, unless Hue seems him a threat to take over for him.

Throughout my working career, I always despised 'office politics'. Still do...

Because it was evident on the latter part of the season,and whenever our D was being challenged that the D play failed to be up to standards.

It was also clear to me his limitations has a DC, he was a major game awareness and situation problem, and will call for the most stupid plays on critical moments.

Gregg is a one trick pony,and he is very limited,and it showed.

Consider who was making the statement. Williams is not going to get axed. Hue does not feel like he is a threat. In fact, Hue trusts Williams enough to turn the defense over to him almost completely.

I think the days of "office politics" went out the door when Sashi was fired. I think we have football guys who are going to work together and that the future is a lot brighter than it was just a few months ago.

I feel the same way. I know we picked up a few good players and a few extra picks but Sashi failed miserably in just about everything a FO "Player Personal" needs.....communication, evaluating talent, drafting, trading and FA player acquisitions.

Considering that the past of the most of this football guys, I think this is more a question of faith than any rationality.

If anything has been proved here is that the football guys in the Browns are completely inept, so I fail to see how giving them the keys to the organization to them can be positive.

And there is anything where Hue excels is a politics, so its kind of strange your aversion to "office politics" and faith in Hue..

Some thoughts after reading comments.

I'm ok with them keeping Hue Jackson. My reasoning is simple. Joe Thomas likes him, so I'm ok with keeping him.

Let's face it, continuity does work. You got Bellichic in NE, and Tomlin in pitt that have continual success. Unfortunately, you can also get guys like Marvin Lewis in cinn, who's always just good enough, but I think most of you would trade "good enough" for the crap we've had the past 18 years.

The QB needs to be upgraded until we find "the guy". Vet or rook, I don't care. Get a guy that can read and hit the target, and doesn't have to constantly "make it happen".

The defensive backfield needs an upgrade in all positions.

The defensive line needs depth, and another pressure guy. We need 3 down DL.

Teach the defense how to tackle. Big hits do not equate to tackles, BBC. I love the hits, but wrap them up. I used to get onto children about arm tackles, because they hurt the tackler and don't stop anyone. You guys should know better.

I hope JT will be back, either on the line or as a coach. The OL already calls him Coach Thomas. Either way, we need to draft another stud OL to eventually replace him. An LT that can play RT might be a good start. Drango did a damn fine job in his absence.

Show us a good free agency period, a great draft, an improving team and increasing wins, and all this discussion goes away. If that doesn't happen, guess what? Until then it's all talk.

Respectfully, eo, I disagree with that statement. Hue is a coach and should be judged (in part) on what he does in getting his team to a competitive level, not on what he does with an already competitive team.

I am all in on Hue because he is our coach but we are not a mediocre team. Medeocre is 8-8. We are a bad team. No way to sugar coat it.

Here are mine, sorry for any repeats.

Horrible. Ugly. Disgusting and beyond deflating to the core where the passion lives for sports.

So many killer yellow flags. We're penalized so much it's not even funny. We have d-linemen lining up in the NZ more often than we have kids playing with toys. So undisciplined.

No improvement.

Corey Coleman and that drop there in the last game solidifies our entire team. We're just a group of mistakes.

Thank goodness for Hue hiring an OC, seemingly anyway. Best decision from him likely all year there. Glad to see he's coming back.

Ogbah injury hurt the defensive front.

Garret wasn't completely beast mode as I initially thought, but and no excuses, I think he was dealing with an injury.

I could go on and on, but this season was the biggest and most disappointing season for me as a fan and etc. I don't care the this-n-thats and the why-n-wheres, this is the type of seasons coming from the ones we've had before that if there;s not a substantial and noticeable improvement next year - ouch.

We don't and didn't deserve such bad play.

Ouch!!!!
This season was worse than I could have imagined.
I am so glad it is over.

Kizer was BAD. No way around it. I can't recall a season where we did not need at least three QB's to get through a season. And this year with one of the worse statistical years of the position Kizer kept making start after start, making turnover after turnover.

As with most of us on this forum, we acknowledge Kizer should never have been put into the position he was thrust into. Sashi probably deserves most of the blame for this. Osweiler should have been maintained and started at least the first 6-8 games. at that point he could have been released and Kizer could have had plenty of opportunities in the second half of the season to showcase what he had.

Hue's refusal to stick with the run game was as frustrating as Williams decision to put a safety 30 yards off the line of scrimmage. Ez. Elliot had almost 40 more carries than Crowell did. Elliot was suspended for six games. Crowell should have had at least 50 more carries on the season. I comprehend stacking the box and the fact that we had bad QB play, but the Browns were in several games. The Jacksonville game is a great example of Hue abandoning the run prematurely.

On top of our QB issues and our coaches questionable strategies, The biggest hurdle the Browns had to overcome was the loss of 3 of their best players. Losing the best LT in football on a team as young as the Browns was a crushing blow. Ogbah and Garrett only got to play a handful of games together, this hamstrung our pass rush significantly. Losing Collins as well forced a questionable D to really work to keep the Browns in games.

Moving forward, Hue needs to hire an OC. The Browns need to find a QB. And the Defense needs 2 CB'S and a FS. There is no doubt we have the assets to improve dramatically in a short time. I hope it happens.

Go Browns!!!!!!!