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Why would Hue cry himself to sleep? He has the job as a HC in the NFL. Only one of 32 such jobs in the nation.

In your mind common sense is that everyone is lying including Hue.

I'll go with my version.

I think it is pretty clear that the Bengals thought that Hue would get fired and they wanted to hire him. Once the Browns decided to keep Hue, that put Cinci in a bad predicament.

Things are looking up for the Browns.

Btw--------has Sashi got a job yet? An interview?

If he took an interview, would the money be offset from his salary he's getting while he's under contract?


I bet Sashi will catch on somewhere again. Diminished roll. Salary Cap expert or Team President with no power over football operations

How are things looking up for the Browns ?
Other than looking up at 31 other teams who finished with a better record than the Browns
Tell me how many years will be before the Browns even win 6 games ?
Every time a new regime comes in its the same Ole same Ole
" look out AFC North we are gonna kick behinds"
No big secret here the rest of AFC North is light years ahead of the Browns as far as talent and continuity
The gap.between the.Browns and the North is really massive
BTW look at that schedule next year
It's harder than this year's

No idea. But, I seriously doubt that Sashi Brown will ever get another job in the NFL that involves personnel decisions.

I'm so glad that clown is gone.

Do you want a serious answer? Are you really interested in what I have to say? Or, are you asking a question just to mock my opinion?

Let me know. I'll answer if you are interested. If you aren't interested...........that's fine, too.

I'd agree with that. Maybe something similar to Joe Banner's role in Philadelphia?

I seriously doubt he would ever get close to that power. He's probably out of the league or perhaps he might get a position as a financial advisor or something like that.

Hue Jackson and the circus will still be here though.

I want a serious answer cause I don't see how things are looking up for the Browns especially when the majority of this board isn't sold on Kizer being the franchise QB?

Okay.

I think things are looking up for the following reasons:

--We are not blowing things up again and starting over w/yet another new plan.

--We finally have a FO and coaching staff that wants to work together.

--I think our owner, GM, and HC share the same visions.

--We are most likely going to hire Hightower. That gives us another football guy in the FO.

--The players are not going to have to learn new schemes and learn new personalities.

--We have a ton of picks......I think we will actually use them instead of trading top picks like Wentz for guys like Corey Coleman.

--We have a ton of cap space and I think Dorsey and Hue want to spend the money. Apparently, Haslam is buying into that philosophy.

--We have some young talent. They won't have to learn another system or be dumped by a new regime. They can develop.

--We have the first and fourth overall picks in the draft.

I'm encouraged. Nothing is a given, but I feel a lot better heading into this offseason than I have in years and years and years.

You make a lot of sense . I get it. I applaud the ownership bringing in real football guys like Dorsey who brought in Highsmith who was a important guy in Green Bay
If Sissy Brown was still here there would be no Highsmith today

But...this team is really under the gun to win. The pressure in Berea will be enormous
In today's NFL front offices have 3 years to turn it around or they find pink slips

The Browns are unique in the fact that they have 18 years of losing. And Dorsey Highsmith have to somehow eradicate this losing culture in a very small time frame

Think about it .....Dorsey was 41 23 as GM in KC and he still got shown the door

If Hue starts out 0 2 0 3 .
Then what ?
It's year 3. There is no honeymoon period.

It's year 3 and yet the same questions haven't vanished
Who's the QB in 2018
Can Josh Gordon get it together
What the identity of this offense
Can the defense stop giving up 26 points per game

I understand your concerns. It would be stupid to just be a blind believer at this point in time.

I'm not even saying I am right. I am simply saying that I am more encouraged by our direction than I have been in a long time. You've probably have read my posts over the years....and if so, you know I have never been a "homer."

I just see some positives w/the latest moves.

Yes your not a Homer your a realist.
I'm worried about with all the young draft picks in 2018
That this roster yet again will be too young to understand on how to win and finish games
Players in year 2 like Garrett....Njoku... (Kizer?)
Are going to be asked to really assume leadership roles like Flacco Suggs in Bmore...Brown and Rothlisberger in Steel City
Ryan and Jones in Atlanta

I see the potential talent on the roster
I just don't see guys that can change 18 years of losing in one off season despite the new faces in Berea

Maybe a Cousins or Smith can help bring it together

Good points.

I agree that we won't win a ton of games next year. It's possible, but unrealistic.

I do hope we bring in vets who have experienced winning to help change the culture.

But yeah, it's going to take awhile. I think we will see improvement next year, but we will still be young and inexperienced. We will still have to learn how to win and to avoid losing games. We will still have some holes.

It's a process. I'm not dumb enough to say we are going to the playoffs next year....LOL...

I'm just saying that I do have some hope for the future, provided Haslam ignores the cries to fire people and stays the course.

That's the biggest question in my mind.

I think if you bring in Cousins sign a big time free agent WR add a enforcer on defense and another RT on the oline
And a kick returner that can give a offense good starting field position
Yeah I can see a jump to 7 8 wins
When you get time and you can start a new thread

What 2017 starters have to worry about their jobs in 2018
Cause when you are 0 16 no one's job should be safe

Sounds like Lewis is staying in cincy

According to espn he signed a two year extension

I think we can start to do better in the division. Teams are declining and IMO that's where the fortunes begin to change. It's where I want us to start any (if there's to be one) ascension. Start in the North and the rest will start to take care of itself.

Hue Jackson preferred Carson Wentz over Jared Goff in '16 draft, sources say

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/12/hue_jackson_preferred_carson_w.html

I think Haslam has already ignored those cries to fire Hue.

I am not sold on Hue. I don't like the way he has conducted himself.

That said, Haslam has reached out to various people for advice. It seems to me that advice said to get a different person in the FO and stick with the coach. I think most said there was no reason he couldn't be a good head coach.

So, I will go with that because it is a positive we won't be changing much.

I do wonder about the new coordinator. Is he going to be a new coordinator with his own O, or is he going to be a playcaller using Hues system?

Either way I have concerns on how that is going to work.

Now I just have to resolve my internal debate on if I should keep my season tickets or not.

I like Hue Jackson. Have since he was hired but MAN have you drank the kool-aid. You think Jackson is perfect in all things. Incapable of making a mistake... Well fine. Here's hoping we DON'T hire an OC and Hue keeps doing things EXACTLY the same way. Sure has worked so far. It's brilliant asking the youngest rookie QB in the league to throw the ball virtually every down. Running the ball in that situation is stupid. *snicker*

Here's the deal man. It isn't one or the other. Both Sashi AND Hue were the problem. Now, I am glad we didn't blow up the coaching staff again but Hue needs to make some changes. Becuase what he has been doing isn't working. We need an OC to call the plays and we NEED to run the fracking football! Let our head coach run the team and let our OC and DC do their jobs! Hopefully get this turned around and have Hue as the coach for many years to come. If we keep doing things exactly as before he will be fired before next season is over. I don't want that. But it damn sure will happen if we have another season like the last two.

I would be fine with a new OC running Hue's offense but calling the plays. As long as he keeps the run pass ratio even. The offensive system is fine. We have just been way too pass happy and THAT needs to end.

I don't know how it will work, but I sure as heck hope that we don't bring in a new system. That would be dumb. Hue's offense works. It's worked in other places.

I would prefer an OC who takes care of the daily grind of being an OC. One who helps design and implement the game plan. One who communicates w/others. I would hope that Hue continues to call the plays, but that we put other guys in charge of time management, challenges, personnel rotations, etc. I would like for the OC to be in the booth and make suggestions to Hue based on what he sees from above. It's so much easier to see how the plays develop from above than it is at field level. We probably have guys in place who do those things, but a shuffling of the duties might be in order.

I am not sure we need to hire anybody if Hue is going to keep all of that.

Why?

We're going to need someone to replace Hue when he gets fired.

Al's a great WR coach, but anyone can tell that our offensive brain trust was very stale this year. They called an offense like it was 2003 or something. You cannot win with the scheme that Hue implemented. At least with this team.

j/c:

Well this is slightly embarrassing:



Reply from Matt Miller:




https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/948578485085155329

https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout

I don't think another NFL team will hire Sashi in any capacity. The way he tried to play "smartest guy in the room" in both financial negotiation and player acquisition rolls rubs people the wrong way...unless you're a Jimmy Haslam type.

jets tanking worst roster ever assembled shouldnt win a game
Bills tanking horrible roster, if not for jets wouldnt win a game

Then we have Browns lol

The subterfuge doesn't help either.

They could have went 0-16 too, but Hue out coached them.

Hue is here to stay.. Dorsey will be gone before hue.

By Ted Crow, The Plain Dealer

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/01/cleveland_browns_and_magic_of.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns just concluded their second season under head coach Hue Jackson going 0-16. His total record over those two seasons is 1-31 and counting.

I say counting because, according to owner Jimmy Haslam, Jackson will be the Browns' coach next season in spite of his record.

Haslam believes Jackson still has the magic he displayed in Oakland and Cincinnati. Magic, that when combined with the right players brought in by GM John Dorsey, Haslam believes will transport Cleveland to the playoffs.

After watching Hue Jackson and the Browns the last two years, the only magic I've seen is Jackson's ability to pull the wool over Jimmy Haslam's eyes.

After last year, Hue and his staff will never ever coach another senior bowl.

Wow... that's bad. I don't remember ever hearing about this after those practices concluded last year...

Meh....I wouldn't worry about it. Hue knows what he's doing!

The Browns have 6 picks in the top 65, 12 picks overall, and we can't coach the Senior Bowl because of the douchyness that took place last year.

Awesome.