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It would be cool if you could talk about the pick instead of talking about posters. Goodness!

The problem is he drops the ball. That's why OSU stripped him so much. It's a pretty minor change though, so he should have no problem.

He got stripped twice.

I don't see it either. It's not a problem.

Not even close to what Hogan had coming out.

Non issue to me.

Darnold is the QB we need.

Darnold's penchant for turning the ball over is the single biggest reason I don't want to draft him that much. I fully admit he is very talented but he is so raw and has so much to fix to be a NFL QB. He is definitely a high risk and high reward player IMHO.

His release is an issue and we will see him be strip sacked at the NFL level. It can be alleviated to an extent but it's not something that can be dismissed.

His release is a HUGE issue ..

Not

As always there are issues with the top rated QB's in this draft. We have to choose one of them so hopefully between the senior bowl, pro days, the combine and individual workouts some of these issues will be resolved. It was like this last year and the year before etc. and some of those QB's have done pretty well. I imagine that will be the case with the "18 guys as well.

What, and steal from the other members the hypocrisy of that awe inspiring quip of yours? I think not.

Huge issue with an easy fix. Getting Baker, Allen and Lamar to be picture perfect for the NFL will take much longer than Darnold.

Bone , no disrespect to you or anyone else ; but I don't need someone else or article or machine to tell me what I believe my eyes are seeing .. Now I might be proved totally wrong over the next few seasons .. I ( unlike some ) try not to talk in absolutes .. May push the envelope there ,lol ..

I strongly agree with you on that one =)

I don’t know if his release is an issue or not, Bortles had a similar release(just comparing the releases of the two nothing more).

Interesting thought:



https://twitter.com/Ryan_McCrystal/status/956373637602291712

That is interesting.

The counter to that is there’s a possibility that Rosen reached his peak in college, and darnold hasn’t.

And for Rosen to have all these flawless mechanics, the other guy sure did have way better results on the field, ya know, where it actually matters.

Right. Drafting a QB is basically a projection. So while Rosen looks the part, some project Darnold will be better. And they'll be drafted accordingly.

I'm assuming you really haven't watched either play, because it was beyond apparent who was the better QB when they played against each other this year. USC had far superior talent, but Rosen was the much better qb. Those are the results that I saw on the field.

And if you are interested, go back and watch/listen to the game. Kirk Herbstreit said it over and over and over again, so it isn't like I am alone on this.

Again, results on the field says otherwise.

We don’t even know if Rosen can make it through an entire season.

If it’s down to Rosen or darnold then I hope Dorsey picks darnold.

While Rosen may have put in years of work, the conclusion to question Darnold's work ethic is flawed.The reason for his flaws in mechanics stem from the fact that he only started playing Qb 3-4 years ago

I don't think the tweeter was questioning Darnold's work eithic. He is questioning why so many question Rosen's work ethic and not the ethic of others.

Tebow tebow lol. It's not that bad but I do worry about it. Guys that hang it low in the heat of battle return to the bad habits.

I know many here rely their own evaluations rather than NFL.coms, and that is commendable. I don't have the time or necessary experience to trust my evaluations more than theirs. I rely on the opinions and evaluations of others.

Here is the NFL.com draft ranking page. They use a grading system along the right side of the list. As any grading system of prospects, it's subjective and inaccurate, but it's as accurate any I've seen. It grades Darnold a whole point higher than Rosen.

Here is their "Bottom Line";

BOTTOM LINE At the end of the day, Darnold has NFL size, arm strength, accuracy, pocket mobility, poise and field reading capability. His windup is an eyesore for sure, but he has the velocity to mitigate the additional release time. While Darnold has the mental toughness and talent to start tomorrow, early sideline seasoning could help him better process coverages in an attempt to eliminate future interceptions. Darnold has the tools to thrive in any system and doesn't have to have perfect protection to succeed. His floor is solid starter, but he has the ceiling to be one of the top tier quarterbacks in the game as he gains more experience.
-Lance Zierlein

Sam I am is the man.

I understand and am not getting on you at all.

As a guy who scouted for two years, I will say that I think it is smart to get as much information as possible.

As a fan, if I am interested in a player, I read every "scouting report" and "player profile" that I can find. I try to watch as many full games as I can, but that is often tough. I know that one of our posters [and he is one of our best] loves cut-ups, but I do not.

Let me explain why........I don't like taking one, two ,or three random plays to make an evaluation about a player. I want to see him in games.

The best ones are to see the videos that show every throw the guy made during the game. The good , the bad, and the ugly. The next best is the full game replay. That is tough though, because there is so much to sift through. The next best is to watch all of the guys highlight videos. Some sneer at highlight videos, but I actually pick up a ton of negatives on guys on those highlight videos. Even if the guy makes a TD pass, you can watch his footwork, how long he holds the ball, if he is going through progressions, etc.

I like the to watch these types of videos because I think it is important to understand what is going on in the game. Is the team killing an inferior opponent? Is the guy under duress the entire game? What's the score? How much time is left? Is the running game working? Field position? Etc.

Not sure if anyone is interested in my take, but I threw it out there in case anyone is interested in how to perhaps improve their evaluations.

I appreciate what you are saying. I do a limited evaluation, but it is usually influenced by what others have seen and said. For example, I watched the USC-UCLA game back in November. I saw what you talk about with Rosen, the near perfection of his mechanics, the way he looks off defenders, his accuracy, and how leads his receivers into YAC. I agree that on that day, he was the better QB.

What I see in Rosen that Darnold needs to improve is mostly mechanical. I don't think Sam will ever be as mechanically perfect as Josh. I do see him look off defenders, go through progressions, and similar (if not as precise) accuracy. He too can lead his receivers into YAC. What he needs is better consistency. But what I see in Darnold that I don't see in Rosen is an innate ability to find a higher level of play when it is needed the most, and in so doing, inspire his team to do so as well. This is, I think, what others are calling an "it" factor.

Right now, Rosen is the better QB, but the things that make him better are things that Darnold can learn to do better. What Darnold does better than Rosen is something that can't be taught or learned. It is rare and innate. I've said before, and I repeat now, I see both as being excellent NFL QBs and will be happy when either one is a Brown. But I see Darnold having that special leadership ability, which gives him a higher ceiling in the long run. The question is whether he will reach that ceiling. I think Rosen is a more sure bet to reach his.

My head says Rosen, but my heart says Darnold.

I agree he that is no more of a risk than Rosen but he also is not any less a risk. The reason I say that is because "in general" players who have problems with turnovers in college don't get much better at it in the NFL. It tends to follow them. NOT ALWAYS but usually. With Darnold part of the cause is the way he holds the ball. Can teaching better technique improve that? Sure, but only if you completely change his throwing motion and I don't see that as very likely unless he warms the bench for a good three seasons because it takes a LOOOOONG time to break old technique and under pressure too early in the process will just make him revert to old habits.

With Rosen you have to worry about concussions snuffing out his career early because we KNOW if he gets too many more he is DONE.

They both have a big flaw in this way. It's one of the reasons I prefer Mason because he doesn't bring any of those TYPE of worries.

I like the ones that show every throw in any one game. Simple to sift through, simple to replay, simple to freeze.

And it doesn't take all day to do.

Having said that, what was that site we used last year?

http://draftbreakdown.com/ ??

That works!

Nice reply, but I was just talking about how I like to research players. I wasn't trying to debate the two qbs in that particular post.

I get why people like Darnold. I won't try and change their minds. I usually only speak up when people put up false information.