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Nah, I just want Diam to learn basic English when calling people stupid. It really helps him convey his message that the person reading it is stupid and not him. I type in casual chat all the time and see grammar as the useless social construct that it is. However, if you're going to call someone stupid, you should do it correctly.

I feel intelligent every day.

Here's one of my posts that maybe you didn't read:

As to the post of mine you quoted.......read it with an open mind. Hard for you to do?

I literally said I wasn't as opposed to it as I was a while back - legalizing pot, that is. I question how pot can be regulated when talking about driving, or work incidents.

It's fairly simple.

Let me go further - pitt was talking about millions and millions in tax revenue for Colorado. I doubted that, so I looked it up. Yup. He was right. $70 million in tax revenue for 2015 alone.


Oh, by the way, I never responded to pitt with anything about typos. I think you're confusing several different posts and attempting to make me look bad? Fail.

Lemme let you in on something: perfect used to gripe about spelling mistakes - yet he makes them all the time.

pdf claims trump can't read or write and names his spelling mistakes as proof over and over. So, I've been calling them both out over their mistakes. (notice the proper usage of 'their'?)

It's not as nefarious as you want it to be.

Not really. What exactly do you want me to be open minded about? That marijuana would be cheaper on the black market? Yes it's true untaxed things are cheaper than taxed things. However, top shelf marijuana in Colorado will run you 45 an 8th straight from the dispensary. In Ohio it'll cost you $60+. Black market doesn't have taxes, but it does have other built in expenses that raises the cost.

I'll try one last time.

Be open minded that I'm not as against legalization as I was. Although, your obtuseness and inability to follow along is making me re think that.

Here it is: How does legalization of pot reconcile with drug testing for insurance purposes?

CHS - arch has a point here

arch - don't let CHS make you re-think your opinion.

Marijuana should absolutely be legalized.

it will be interesting how insurance companies try to regulate this once it's federally legal (it will happen at some point).

on one hand, they will argue that smoking weed is still very harmful. however, they will have to separate how marijuana is consumed.

on the other, medicinal weed is helping a lot of people with symptoms like epilepsy. the cost of weed is lower than the cost of pills.

quite the issue.

Every admin has a shelf life. So, yes.
Eventually.

This is very cute of you. We haven't been talking about insurance, maybe you have, but we haven't. Anyway, I'll follow along as you move the goal posts.

Insurance is a private industry made out of private businesses. They set and make their own rules, as long as they follow the law. Now why would they want to insure someone who is breaking a federal law? That is a good way to get in trouble with the law. Again, we're talking about a private industry and trying to understand what individual companies would do, but they would probably end up treating them like they do opiates or other pills.

You know arch, I will be more than glad to address your questions once you address mine. However I'm not going to play word games where you avoid my questions and then answer my question with a different question.

Is the horse out of the barn, though?

It's obvious that Trump is a senile moron who doesn't know what's going on around him while he golfs...but even if the opposition wins out huge in 2018, I don't think the country is going to say "Whew. That was a bad case."

People like Diam and 40 aren't going to be any less susceptible to being drawn in by the moron circus. The appeal won't be eliminated by electoral losses.

We've had almost a full year display of an immoral simpleton,and these folks still spout idiocy like "finally, a real leader!"

I don't think ballot defeats will change the perspective of morons.

jc

when i smoke, i like to lay on the carpet and dream about myself in situations that will literally never happen in real life. such as punching an alien in the face after an epic air fight and saying "welcome to earth"

To the insurance side of the equation.
There are mouth swabs that can be done roadside by cops that’ll indicate whether or not someone has smoked in the past 3 to 5 hours or so. Why can’t these be implemented in a case of an on the job injury or accident? How does what I did last night, or two to four weeks ago, have anything to do with an accident I caused between the hours of 9-5?
Pee tests are only able to say I have the marijuana metabolite in my system. It can’t say how long ago I imbibed. That’s the problem I have with them.
I go to work sober. I work hard while at work. What I do to relax after work should be none of my company’s business. If my company wants to mouth swab me every morning when I walk in the door, fine. Their money. Have at it. If I cause an injury or accident, swab me. Otherwise buzz off.

it's the same when they do toxicology reports in car accidents.

If i smoke on monday, don't smoke the rest of the week, get into a car wreck on saturday and die, the toxicology report will state that i have THC in my system.

was THC the cause of death? No.

the thing with jobs is that i'm in support of them having their own policies on drug use. i mean you see companies put an end to smoke breaks already. the problem is that once again, certain drug use is perfectly acceptable while weed is not.

i can get drunk and completely S**faced, come to work the next day, and nobody will bat an eye. but burning after work is still considered taboo.

i mean, i watched a documentary about how Nurses are stealing meds and popping pills at work to try and stay up during their long shifts. we got people snorting cocaine like they are an extra in Scarface, but others are demonized because they want to burn and slam a bag of doritos after a long day?

insurance companies will try to charge extra for smokers, probably more than they do for tobacco use, even though there are clear medical benefits to marijuana.

but we still got people in government who believe in reefer madness.

i wish people would go and look at the reasons as to why weed is illegal. yall would quickly realize how unconstitutional it is.

CHS, while thats my boy, ticks me off talking about legalizing weed is trivial.

tell that to the thousands of people, mostly minorities who have been locked up and given long jail sentences and their lives ruined for no other reason than USE, not even trafficking or selling.

tell that to the parents who risk everything to give their kids medicinal to combat symptoms, because its more effective and not addictive compared to the man made pills.

Did you read the rest of my post where I asked for reparations of criminals as well as their court records expunged?

The simulation hypothesis is fascinating although I'm not sure some of the old school Dawgs are ready for that one. I've thought about making a thread about it and still might in the future. It would just get buried in all the bickering going on here.

sure i did.

but you framed your post as if this isn't an important issue. it is.

sure, it's not AS important as healthcare, but we CLEARLY won't be fixing that anytime soon, and right now this is the hot topic due to Sessions and his nonsense.

why not? it would be a fun topic.

I framed it that way because the idea that 40 was proposing, a national ballot initiative, that has never been done in the history of the United States. Weed would a very trivial thing to create a new precedent over. Weed legalization is a big key to a lot of things. Healthcare and the prison industrial complex would see the biggest effects.

thats 40 though. making proposals on things that don't exist because he doesn't want the issue being solved in the first place.

One day we'll awaken the board. Although it may crash if you and I begin to agree with each other

Ok...

If we advance as a society to the point where we create AI that has the breadth of human level intelligence/understanding, and pair that the processing speed of a computer (and a futuristic supercomputer at that) and a good chunk of humanity's accumulated knowledge via ultra high-speed internet, you will see what is essentially an intelligence explosion, or singularity if you will.

A superintelligence such as this could conceivably do anything that is possible. One such thing would be to create simulations of new universes-- sometimes described as ultra realistic video games, where the participants inside would just feel like they are living their lives or whatever. But since this superintelligence is so incomprehensibly intelligent, you can't really understand how it would think or how it would apply things. It's all a mystery really, and even whether or not we get to this point is a mystery in and of itself (I do not have a strong opinion on this and am unsure how you'd even be able to quantify the probability.)

So if you have a superintelligence that can create its own worlds, that is incomprehensibly more intelligent and capable than humans... is that be God?

I encourage you to smoke a couple bowls before responding to this one. Let it all out. Maybe CHS will be kind and lend an assist.

It's already happened a few times with Swish and me. The board is still here. We'll just have to take our chances.

I forgot the part where, if this is all possible (admittedly a big if), we might be living in such a simulation right now. This discussion comes up from time to time, especially in tech circles.

Thank you for answering. I've not heard of the swab thing.

Question though: It will tell if you've smoked in the last 3-5 hours - does it tell if you're "intoxicated or not"?

I don't know weed. Not being a smart ass, either.

I don't think we're in a simulation right now. If there was someone/thing/creature capable of manipulating matter to the point of world creation, don't you think they'd have already wiped this one out and started over?

If it was me, I'd just open a pizza stand, Galaxy Pizza. I mean if you can manipulate matter you could make some killer pizza and everyone would love you.

It's a reasonable point but I really don't know. The only thing I know is that I find this topic a lot more fascinating than the one about legalizing weed. Also pizza is great. Even bad pizza is still pretty good.

so, fair warning: not only am i not an elegant poster, but i haven't done much research on this, so all of my thoughts on this are just what i've always wondered about and devoid of outside influence. also i'm not book smart.

i don't start taking magic carpet rides until after i put my daughters to bed, so it'll be a couple hours, but HOPEFULLY the convo will still be going strong til then.

anyways, so while i understand what you're saying, isn't it possible that we are in a simulation right now?

i mean think about it. we don't even have a location on where the big bang happened. is there "suppose" to be a center? the universe is expanding....expanding into what? where? is there an end?

what if we were nothing more than a creation amongst multiple creations? if we had a big bang...then what, or who caused the event?

if it can be created once, then in theory, can't it be created multiple times?

when we die, nobody knows what happens after that. we know that physically, our bodies decompose and we contribute to nature by being food for bugs. what happens to our consciousness? does it also cease to exist, or does it move on to another form?

which is actually weird, because there's actually a religion that could be considered proof that we are in a simulation: buddhism. reincarnation, but in a non religious aspect with what we're talking about. could that be a way for a theorized supercomputer to recycle consciousness instead of constantly creating a new one?

Elon Musk has proposed this theory on many occasions.

I don't agree with it, but I'm getting increasingly closer to entertaining the notion.

I also wonder that maybe it's nonsense.

People in 1940's Germany didn't wonder "maybe we're in a simulation".

And they were dealing with an intelligent fascist.

Dealing with a guy like Trump can truly lead a person to wonder - "is this a simulation?"

All good questions. It's also cool to see someone who hasn't been exposed to the hypothesis react to hearing it for the first time. Even I have only read about it here and there. It's not something that comes up often in my world but when someone mentions the simulation hypothesis, I absolutely know what they are talking about.

I don't have great answers to your questions though I may be able to give some ideas later or tomorrow when I get back. Maybe someone else can fill in some of the gaps.

I do find the similarities between the simulation hypothesis and religion to be a bit spooky, for lack of a better term. This is a fairly unusual angle though as far as I can tell.. but again, I'm not exactly an expert on it.

and we're the power source.

It can’t tell if you’re intoxicated. A field sobriety test can though. Much like one a cop would use on a suspected drunk driver. Though many of us ‘stoners’ such as myself could probably pass those as it doesn’t really ‘intoxicate me’. I get a buzz. I feel even keeled. But I don’t get sloppy or slow or whatnot.
My best friend is a functioning alcoholic. Goes to work everyday. Pays his bills on time. Comes home at night and drinks more than a typical person could. He can function on 5 plus beers and one would never be the wiser. Me, I’d be drunk. Non functioning. His tolerance is such that it doesn’t do the same for him. I’m much the same with herb. I can blaze and function in society and no one would ever be the wiser. I do it regularly.
Everyone is different obviously. My girlfriend will very occasionally hit my vaporizer...lightly. Then nap for the next few hours. I’ll blaze down a joint and get on with my day. Chop wood. Grocery shop. Weld. Do chores. Etc. I’m a ‘functioning stoner’. As are many of my close friends. From all walks of life. Doctors, dentists, teachers, environmental scientists etc. Far more folks out there are than most would imagine. Again, sober at work always. After work is my time. The government should stay out of my time.

Are you Sarah Connor?"

If you’re an omnipotent being why would you recycle a conscious only to start it from scratch, wiped of it’s knowledge and experience?

I would think that if it were at all possible that we are or could be living in some type of virtual reality world, that it would more than likely have been a reality when evolution first began.

It would be a far more interesting experiment to have seen how such a thing would have worked over the long haul than to wait until mankind was sophisticated for it to begin.

I'm a person who believes that creation and evolution are not exclusive but inclusive. With that being said, to some extent I've believed that we have been being watched and evaluated for some time.

As of now I see the future of mankind as a force far more capable of self destruction than an ultimate advancement. From global pollution, greed and an insatiable need for power, it appears to me that advanced technology is only a short term enjoyment than being sustainable long term.

maybe for efficiency purposes?

instead of creating a new conscious, it could be more efficient to simply reset the one not in use anymore. that restarted conscious would then be put in a specific purpose for a specific reason.

a supercomputer would in theory, calculate the best use for the conscious based on algorithms on predictability. for example, a supercomputer, creator, or whatever, decides to create a Genghis Khan.

well that person/being could determine that this specific conscious will be useful in a different region, during a different time, in a different platform (body). now, the outcome might not be the same, but the influence could be.

I suppose if there was finite resources to create consciouses, recycling would make sense. It could simply be like we’re on a conveyor belt of consciouses, circling the universe floor to experience our lives, exhausting the life force originally provided and being reinforced for our next adventure.

Could be. But who created that conveyor belt?

Could multiverses be a sign of a simulation?

Our omnipotent being is called Ford.

Of course it won't be eliminated. But its effects will be negated when those who stayed home on 11/8/16 come back to the polls and vote the cray away. The appeal will still be there, but will become irrelevant once again.

It won't matter what they like. Others will assert their will and win the nation back by force of numbers at the ballot box. This Dolt45® phenomenon was an aberration; a 'perfect storm.' It was awful, but almost necessary. Folks is woke now, so the correction can commence.