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To me Saquan is more like Barry Sanders. I mean his change of direction is mind boggling how he stop on a dime and instantly is going full throttle in another direction.
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lmfao Zeke is a great dude.
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I don't know Zeke, but I know he is most complete back in the NFL and he does more things well than any RB has in years. Barkley is not the complete RB that Zeke is.
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I don't know Zeke, but I know he is most complete back in the NFL and he does more things well than any RB has in years. Barkley is not the complete RB that Zeke is. What makes you say that? I have only seen good things from him and he even passblocks well.
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I know Zeke and he is a great dude. Saquon is very good. I'd rank Saquon above Fournette, but under Zeke. I think Saquon is going to be very special. If the Giants don't team him up with Odell they are morons.
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I am not knocking Barkley. I think he's awesome.
I just think that Zeke is a much better blocker, way better between the tackles, far better in short yardage situations, and better w/his routes and hands. I am not saying that Barkley stinks at any of those things, but Zeke never has to come off the field. He's far more special than many think.
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I love the idea of taking Barkley at 1 and still getting either Darnold or Rosen at #4, BUT, if we take Barkley and up with a QB who doesn't work out while Rosen/Darnold taken at #2/3 stud out, we will continue to be the laughing stock of the NFL (with a good RB.)
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Yep, we could have had either Wentz or Goff a couple of years ago. I don't think we can afford another mistake like that one.
Oh, and before anyone says Goff went at one..........yeah, I know. LOL But, the Rams traded up for him. We could have swapped picks w/the Titans and thrown in some other stuff to easily beat the Rams' offer.
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Am I the only person who thinks Darnold will be like a Matt Lienart/Mark Sanchez clone?
USC QB's have been nothing but overhyped disappointments for the last 20 years. (excluding Carson Palmer)
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Am I the only person who thinks Darnold will be like a Matt Lienart/Mark Sanchez clone?
USC QB's have been nothing but overhyped disappointments for the last 20 years. (excluding Carson Palmer)
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Am I the only person who thinks Darnold will be like a Matt Lienart/Mark Sanchez clone?
USC QB's have been nothing but overhyped disappointments for the last 20 years. (excluding Carson Palmer) No, he doesn't remind me of either of those guys.
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Barkley 1st, best qb with the 4th. I'll be surprised is Barkley makes it past the giants with the 2nd. I'd be floored if he's there with the 4th. We'll have an FA QB, so we can sit what ever kid we pick up at qb, but finally have a running game.
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Am I the only person who thinks Darnold will be like a Matt Lienart/Mark Sanchez clone? Matt Leinart and Mark Sanchez have literally nothing to do with Sam Darnold other than the fact that they wore the same jersey when they played college football. Josh Rosen, though, can't be good because there hasn't been a good QB out of UCLA besides Troy Aikman (and he doesn't count because he was a transfer). Also, obviously Josh Allen won't be good because, you know, Wyoming. And Baker Mayfield is just another Jason White. Or Landry Jones. And if he's hurt he's definitely another Sam Bradford. Don't forget Lamar Jackson is also another Teddy Bridgewater. He'll definitely blow his knee out in practice. I would compare him to Brian Brohm and/or Dave Ragone, but can't because. . .
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One of the reasons I want Cousins is so we can draft both Barkley and Fitz at 1 and 4. After watching Allen throw at the combine, I'm beginning to feel as though (assuming we do not get Cousins), we could still go with Barkley at # 1 and get one of the top four QBs, hopefully Allen at # 4. Allen and Barkley, would be Cleveland's version of Roethlisberger and Bell, with the Steeler's former OC coordinating the Browns' offense. Add in an unsuspended Gordon ( knock on wood ) and you have a new best offense in the AFC North. Almost a mirror image of Pittsburgh's offense.
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Razor I have come to think your way on this. Take Barkley 1st n then Mayfield, Rosen n Darnold one of them maybe 2 will be there for us at #4. This is looking more n more attractive to me.
However I believe our FO is committed to QB it is the right thing to do. So once again it wont be exactly how u n I want it but honestly we have painted ourselves in a corner that can do no wrong. Its a great time to be a Browns fan!
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Judge the player not the school. I just think that players from certain prestigious schools tend to be a little overrated. USC comes to mind first in that equation. Tell me the last USC or ND QB that has been successful in the NFL. ( Remember Kizer was being touted as a #1 QB before he started pooping the bed on the field) The tape IMO on Darnold isn't that great. He didn't exactly tear it up this year either. I just think he will have a mediocre NFL career.
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Im a believer of saturated your team with stars from certain conferences. My choice would be SEC n Big 10. It doesnt mean u turn dow a Garrett or Mayfield if that is who you target
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U really think the Gnats don’t go qb? .. i don’t see it ... they can talk to their blue in the face .. Eli is a shell of his former self ...
I really think there going QB ...
I know I'd go QB if I was New York. Manning hasn't been right for quite some time now. I can easily see us going Darnold and Rosen goes 2. Indy sells Allen or Mayfield to highest bidder and we sit at 4 with BOTH Barkley AND Minkah-Fitzpatrick there. Let me ask you something. If the Rams let Joyner walk or we sign Boston or Reid at FS, sign Trumaine Johnson at CB and we're hot on a CB at 33 (Oliver of Colorado) and Wilson comes back, would we STILL need FITZ? Would that be enough to take what's virtually EVERY TEAMS Best Player in this draft at 4? Barkley. Damn, we're sitting pretty.
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I am going to start off by saying that this is your opinion and that is fine. I am going to state my opinion and I hope that is okay, too.
I don't think the 3, 4, or 5 qbs are even at all. I think there is one that is far above the others. I am not nearly as high on Mayfield and Allen as many others.
I think the Browns would be dumb to pass on a the best qb in the draft for a RB, especially one who is not as good as a guy like Zeke. He is a better workout warrior, but he isn't the 3-too/3-down guy like Zeke and he sure as hell isn't as effective between the tackles. The NFL is way faster than college and trying to bounce everything outside isn't such a good idea in the NFL. He's good........but, he isn't the first overall pick in the draft good.
Additionally, the shelf life for a RB is much shorter than it is for almost every other position on the field.
I still think that it is a no-brainer for the Browns to draft Rosen. And again............it is my opinion.
And I can't disagree with that. Another day has gone by where yesterday I was thinking Barkley was a good move with the 1st pick. This morning I keep thinking about all the backs we will be able to get in round 2. If I could pinpoint that one QB, I agree, it is a no brainer. I am just having trouble convincing myself that there is that one guy, and when i do it is generally with a QB most don't see going at 1. It's early. Lot's of workouts to sift through over the next month and a half..
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Let me ask you something.
If the Rams let Joyner walk or we sign Boston or Reid at FS, sign Trumaine Johnson at CB and we're hot on a CB at 33 (Oliver of Colorado) and Wilson comes back, would we STILL need FITZ?
Would that be enough to take what's virtually EVERY TEAMS Best Player in this draft at 4? Barkley.
Damn, we're sitting pretty. YES WE ARE .... i was just thinking the other day that these are BY FAR the BEST OFF SEASON TALKS we’ve ever had ... To get to where we want to go we willl be playing games on the shore of Lake Erie in January ... Fitz is a GREAT ATHELETE himself ... he can play S or CB at an extremely high level ... he EXTREMELY FOOTBALL INTELLIGENT .. I LOVE smart DB’sthat are coaches on the field ... LOVE THEM .... Everyone salivates at the thought of Quan and pick your rookie QB ... and for good reason ... he is FUN AS HELL TO WATCH ... he’s really really good and exciting .... Well I salivate just as much at the thought of a healthy MG, Ogbah with Fitz QBing the extremely versatile secondary we’ll have with him in it ... Are u kidding me ... GET OUTTA HERE ..... *LOL* ... I would rather have a DOMINATE D .. and were close there with the front 7 we have ... 
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We have loads of FA money plenty of Impact draft picks in a pretty deep draft to get an awesome D. Just cause one likes Barkley its as if that poster does not want an awesome D and we give up the chances of building that awesome D.
Barkley...you can find somebody out that will say he's overrated or not this or not that. Here the fact and not opinion. Barkley is a once in a decade RB. I wont go the gambit cause its out there for all to see. In shorts and in film. If you dont see it yet you will not.
Btw Giant will go QB n if we take a QB at 1 I think it will be Rosen. But if this kid Allen can show improvement on accuracy he could be the man. I would love Mayfield but for that to happen it would be Barkley #1 and we take our QB at #4.
Then we got 4 more impact draft picks.
So much to happen.
FA...AJ, Defensive players. All done before the draft and it will be 50 days from now n we can still have this same argument...lol 
I will be very impressed by this FO if they can convince the Giants to trade up to one n we get another 2nd out of it...then we take Barkley at #2
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Sorry Tab but NO WAY am I taking a RB at #1 OR #2, #3 OR #4.
JMHO but this franchise suffers from who throws the ball more so then who runs the ball. Not that one can't effect the other but I am not biting on a RB, but hey thats me. I am the same guy that says draft a QB every year until you find one.
It seems that every year the Browns become infatuated with some other players (not a QB) because they are scared to pull the trigger. This year we IMO should take the best QB in this draft period.
I honestly think that Bell will be a Brown next year anyway. The dynamics and the quality of players likely available in FA will change draft strategies across the league. So its sort of pointless at this juncture to debate the pro's and con's of picks, will know more in a few weeks, then the real draft strategies will come into play.
Right now folks are talking just to hear themselves speak IMO.
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It makes no difference to me what college a guy goes too at all.
GM's are trying to find guys who can play in the NFL.
They put their play on tape from whatever school. Then they are judged.
Darnold must have done something right because he being considered as the first pick in the draft and for sure in the top five.
Not sure what you were looking at. Because I saw a guy who made tons of great plays and won games. Who showed consistent accuracy from in and out of the pocket. Accuracy under pressure both from defensive pressure and pressure from game situations when games had to be won.
Maybe most of the analysts, scouts, and former GM's all have it wrong.
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No doubt that free agency will have a impact on who we might draft.
At this point we haven't signed anybody, so I for one am basing my thoughts on who we have here and now.
We sign Bell, we don't have a need to draft Bark. We sign Cousins, we don't have a need to draft a QB.
Just from a pure skills standpoint, I'd draft Bark or Chubb before I drafted a QB. Both of those guys are higher on the BPA list then any of the QB's Fitz probably is too.
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I can even see a case for Saquon or Chubb at four and trading back into the first for Derwin James. Whatever we do, we're coming out of this draft with talent.
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The key to those two players is the Giants. Do they go QB or RB? I think Chubb will go to the Colts.
If the Giants go QB, I love it if either Barkley or Chubb is there at #4, but Fitz would be hard to pass if just Bark is there. He wouldn't be if Chubb is there.
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Personally I feel the Browns are in the best possible position.
Historically we have a very poor draft record. And more than any other factor that is what has been the main reason for the teams struggles.
2018 for the first time the Browns have assembled an extremely qualified front office. Men with extensive experience in evaluating football talent.
Dorsey, Jackson, Highsmith, Eliot Wolf, Todd Haley, Ken Zampese, Scot McCloughan, Greg Williams, Al Saunders.
I mean you talk about experience and qualifications.
With the first and fourth pick in the first round, and three second rounders we are indeed sitting pretty.
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Honestly I don't see how we can mess this up.
I will still be holding my breath come draft day but damn I am super confident.
And that is something I have not felt.
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Honestly I don't see how we can mess this up. The Browns fan in me hears Dorsey saying, "Hold my beer". 
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I am not knocking Barkley. I think he's awesome.
I just think that Zeke is a much better blocker, way better between the tackles, far better in short yardage situations, and better w/his routes and hands. I am not saying that Barkley stinks at any of those things, but Zeke never has to come off the field. He's far more special than many think. I don't think Bark will have to come off the field either. He is awesome at catching the ball and he would be a lot better pass blocker than any other HB on our current roster. I think he is a better reciever than zeke but I think zeke is a better blocker but I think they are both really good at both. I think zeke does better with power blocking schemes where bark might do better with our zone blocking scheme. At least I think we are still doing a zone blocking scheme. Either way a good response from you =)
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The key to those two players is the Giants. Do they go QB or RB? I think Chubb will go to the Colts.
If the Giants go QB, I love it if either Barkley or Chubb is there at #4, but Fitz would be hard to pass if just Bark is there. He wouldn't be if Chubb is there. I think it's a lot harder to pass on Bark than Fitz. Fitz is a good FS but he is not going to contribute as much to winning a game as Bark will. Bark is just going to be a very dominant player IMHO who scores a LOT of points and that to me is irreplaceable over a few broken up passes a game.
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There is a strong case to be made for Fitz.
He can do a lot being scheme diverse. And certainly
help any team.
But for the Browns at this point of time; we need to score points. We have invested heavily on defense last year with Garrett and Peppers.
The offense needs help and Barkley is the one guy who can help immediately. He doesn't need a rookie year warm up. He is ready to plug in, play, and score.
This guy can run and score from anywhere. In addition he has great hands and is faster than Julio Jones.
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Glad you understand where I am coming from Bone. So long as we draft any of the 4 QBs I like at #4 along with Bark then I am happy.
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Pretty sure we use a pin and pull blocking system that uses elements of zone and gap schemes.
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I think that was Flip's scheme, CHS.
Hue's is an all gap scheme that relies more on power blocking.
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I think vers everyone uses some form of a zbs...similar to how everyone will use some form of WCO in a passing game.
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