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Whatever....Huberis it is

Can we keep this thread about the FO w/out you guys hijacking yet another thread? Please? Pretty please? With sugar on it...

Verse, I have been a Hue Jackson supporter since day one. I like him and I hope he succeeds. That said, he is a big question mark now. He has a lot to prove. His refusal to run the football when he started the youngest rookie QB in the league has me wondering. I just can't understand it. He ran the ball everywhere else. Yet when he comes here to Cleveland the running game is an afterthought? It is weird and upsetting. Your sig says "Rosen will be chosen" and if that is so Rosen better hope and pray Coach Jackson changes his mind and runs the damn football. We shall see. I hope he does. I hope we draft a stud RB and Jackson has Rosen(or whomever) hand him the ball 25+ times every game. A rookie QB's best friend is a running game. One would think Hue Jackson would know that...

You keep saying he is well respected....I like him too except he doesn't win games.


As for "my crowd", I am pretty independent, not sure which 2-3 on each side you might be talking about.

We only disagre on Huebris

Alright. Don't stop. Later.

Interesting move.

My question is, Does this mean we should expect a large scale reboot and rebuild?
What about the veterans that signed long term big money deals in the last 12-15 months?

A wait and see approach.

We were 1 and 31. LOL

I think a new plan might be a good idea.

Definitely can't get much closer to a reboot than we already are.

I agree, but then again, it doesn't look like the "plan" is changing that much. To me, when you go a different direction or make a new plan, that means you go with a new coach. We aren't doing that. That is where the change happens. So it's a good thing that we aren't having to change direction. We will have the same O for the 3rd year in a row. That should pay dividends.

The only change is in the FO. Haslam lost confidence in Browns ability to select the right players with all the picks we gained. I also think Dorsey will look to add more free agents then we have in the past. It remains to be seen if he is aggressive in gaining future picks.

I have settled on Hue being the coach again. There is positive in not changing everything on the field. It takes time to install a new O and D. Our guys should be happy about that. The only thing different will be who selects the players and who decides on who will be kept on the team.

Perhaps. I believe that with the reported 'conflict' between the FO and Hue, it was easier to replace Sashi than the coach. Additionally, Haslam would likely take less flak this way than firing another coach...

Ya ... that was it ...

I’m sure what happenend during the bye week with AJ and the FACT the HC and GM weren’t talking for a month after that had nothing to do with it ...

Where have i heard the phrase ... TOXIC WORK ENVIRONMENT before ......hmmmmm ...

The timing was just coincidental ...

Both you and bbrown make valid points. I wasn't trying to bring out all the points or make it sound like it was simply 1 thing.

I think one of the keys moving forward is that we seemingly have a FO and a coaching staff that respects one another and want to work together.

It's fairly easy to surmise that Dorsey, Highsmith, and Wolf have a mutual respect for one another and it's a plus because they have worked together. I have also read the comments from both Dorsey and Hue and it seems like they respect one another.

Hue could end up being fired next year and that will delight several of the posters on here, but I think what is best for the Brown's organization is for our new FO to get some quality players in here and the team has a modicum of success next year. This will allow us to build, rather than tear down and start yet again.

I think there is a chance for success because I think all three major parties [the Haslams, Dorsey, and Hue] know that a quick turn around is imperative. I think they will do everything they can to get a quality qb in here and bring some players in here at key positions.

I think it is imperative to bring in some vets who have experienced winning and can help change the losing culture. I can't state how strongly I feel about this one. You might remember one of my major problems with "The Plan" was the problems that losing so many games can create.

I don't think we will have a dramatic increase in wins. I'm not looking at .500 or the playoffs. But, it is important to start winning some games. I cringe when I see questions about how many games does Hue have to win next year. In the poll in another forum, people are saying things like 8 games. LOL.............an 8 game swing is not impossible, but it is rare.

It is my hope that the organization doesn't fold under the intense pressure from the media and a small--but very vocal--portion of the fan base.

We have some good things in place.

--A well-respected FO.

--Some continuity in the coaching staff.

--Tons of cap space.

--A plethora of draft picks, including the first and fourth overall this year.

I am predicting significant improvement next year and big-time results after that, provided we don't resort to our usual fix of blowing things up again.

Agreed. Good post.

Glad about it, but not sure I understand it from Wolfs stand point... Good for the Browns I think

Just speaking for myself, I don't want Hue fired next year. Now that he is being given that chance, I want to win a bunch of games next year. If he is fired, it means we lost a bunch of games.

I still don’t understand the arguement about continuity in the coaching staff being such a big plus. What continuity we gonna get? And the arguement for it being so much easier for the players not having to change verbage or offenses and defenses, that’s just hogwash, didn’t the Rams and McVay just completely change offenses and defenses on the Rams team and still make the playoffs, with an inexperienced QB might I add. So the arguement for keeping Hue for continuity and not having to change anything really doesn’t hold water. Sorry I brought Hue back up but had to get that point across. I know Hue will be here next season and I accept that, but I never liked him. I want the best coach this team can have and for me that isn’t Hue.

The FO, for me right now is a wait and see, been teased to much with guys that were “suppose” to “get it right”.

I think everything is in place to finally turn the tide for us. Def. the most exciting offseason since 99. We have a great chance to really turn around. Some people question why Wolf would sign here, besides of his relationship with Dorsey and Highsmith, I see a scenario where after this year, Dorsey becomes Team president and Wolf slides into the GM slot. I think that makes the most sense

I think the offseason could predict much about Hue's fate.

If we somehow sign Cousins or acquire Smith for QB, and the Browns win 3-4 games, that simply won't cut it... It may with a rookie QB. But again, like it's always been, the guys on the field is up to Hue.

I really think Hue needs to win games and be competitive to retain his job. I think the common fallacy is that when Sashi was in charge we didn't get talent for Hue. That's the wrong take. This team could push for the playoffs next season, but 6-7 wins would be a good start. I don't like to say it's an absolute as a lot of things can happen during the season, injuries, etc.

A complete rebuild is unnecessary. Build on what was started and finish it, don't start over.

We’ll continue to follow the story, but if Wolf is added to the mix, think about the sheer amount of experience added to the front office in such a short period of time. And, is there any chance the Browns would change John Dorsey’s title to something like “President,” so that they could lure Wolf as “General Manager?” It would be similar to what the Browns did when they had Michael Lombardi, quickly changing his title to GM so they could give the newly-hired Farmer the label of Assistant GM
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I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill

yep I read an article that mirrored the same thing almost...wouldn't that be neat...filling some major roles in the FO?

Wolf has already been hired.