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Here's a BEATEN DOWN fan. I feel your angst. But you're going to miss sooooooo much good stuff, man.

Positive Attitude. You can do it.

Are you sure anybody can handle 2 or 3 or me

I think the vast majority of us were that type of person for the first 10-15 years since the return, and some such as yourself still are. We used to make fun of the negative nancies. I guess we should have listened to them, lol. Unfortunately, I've become one.

It's good to see that we are keeping Ken Kovash. The information he can provide, if used, can be very valuable.

Glad Grigson is gone. I hated that hire. He caused all kinds of problems in Indy. I have wondered that he added to the problems between our FO and coaching staff. He's a snake.

On the hires: I don't blame guys for not buying into us making good moves. We have heard it all before.

I do have a problem w/a couple of trolls who ruin each thread w/the same crap on each of them. This is a FO thread and all they want to talk about is how Hue sucks. This crap clutters the board and we can't even have a real conversation about the topic. There are a few Hue threads. They don't all have to be him. Hell, just count the number of posts that rasta has on this thread.......and then look at the message. It's all the same junk.

With that out of my system........I am way more hopeful w/this group than any other. I think most of you who have read my posts over the years that I have not been one to get excited by our hires. This is different. This isn't some financial lawyer being put in charge. These guys all have respect in the NFL. The fact that Wolf chose us over the Raiders or to remain in GB is significant.

So while I am not asking anyone to get excited about our direction, I hope it doesn't bother you that I am indeed happy about the moves the Browns are making.

Unless this is true....

Multiple sources told The Athletic the Browns should cut ties with Ken Kovash, vice president of player personnel who has overseen the analytics department since 2013 and survived two regime changes.

“Ken is a huge part of the problem,” one source said.

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In the end, I'd expect Dorsey and company to weed out who they feel is and is not a part of the solution moving forward.

I thought about that, too. Big digression, but they had a fair amount of injuries. They do have some very notable players on that squad, also.

To be fair, as well, remember that the Packers also hung up 45 on the Lions with Matt Flynn as QB. That has nothing to do with Rodgers either, as I think he and Brady are the two best QBs in the NFL currently.

Agreed on the concerns regarding the additions from the Packers. I think they're both highly respected, huge additions for Dorsey, so he deserves all the props imaginable. As has been going around Twitter, the Browns front office went from "unconventional" to "All-Star" rather quickly. For that, Haslam and Dorsey get a tick of approval.

What Wolf and Highsmith have to prove is that they can be influential in adding not just a quarterback, but the talent around him required for it to become something special. I would say Green Bay has largely struggled in that department. Rodgers is the king of quarterback who can build a dynasty, but the Packers have not been able to do that.

Again, I love the additions and there is a lot of reason to be optimistic, but they need to show Dorsey they were part of what was right in Green Bay, not what was wrong.

The Packers have been great at finding offensive linemen and secondary players. Everything else I am not so sure about.

We replaced a lawyer who had no prior experience at evaluating talent w/these three guys and people are skeptical.

Because San Fran was paying Hoyer $6 mill a year as a their starter and BB didn't want to pay that much for a backup QB and by having San Fran cut him BB was able to get Hoyer on a new deal at $1.5 mill a year.

Makes sense...

the deal originally was slated to have the 49ers send Brian Hoyer to New England. However, he was removed and the team eventually released him. The reason is due to the comp pick formula.

The 49ers are not in line for a comp pick given all the free agents they signed. However, if Hoyer had been dealt to the Patriots, his value on the comp pick chart would have transferred to them. According to Over The Cap, Hoyer’s contract gave him 5th round value in the comp pick formula.

The Patriots are currently expected to net two 4th round picks and a 7th round pick due to free agents lost. If they acquired Hoyer and kept him on the roster for two more weeks, he would cost them one of their fourth round picks. I say two more weeks because comp pick math requires a player remain on a roster until Week 10 to count against the formula. By getting released, Hoyer will not count against the Patriots comp pick formula if they sign him.

This also means the 49ers are left paying off Hoyer’s remaining guaranteed money, and the quarterback can double-dip. The 49ers gave Hoyer $9.85 million fully guaranteed. The guarantees included a $4 million signing bonus, his 2017 salary ($2,950,000), and $2.9 million of his 2018 salary. The 49ers will pay all that and Hoyer likely signs a deal with the Patriots for backup money.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/10/31/...mp-pick-formula

i find it funny the pats placed such a high value on hoyer.. they could have got at least another 2nd round pick and more like a first with any other team.

It was late in a season where the Pats are Super Bowl contenders. It was pretty important to get a plug and play guy if Brady went down. It's hard to place a value on that.

I'm guessing at this point in the stage of the season, Hoyer was about the only one who could be available and able to run the Patriots offense effectively in the event Tom Brady went down with injury.

Oops, sorry. You posted this when I was typing my response.

j/c:

This thread is entitled "The New Front Office." Maybe you guys can take this silliness to the Garappolo thread or one of the older Front Offices threads. Maybe even the Sashi Brown was Fired thread.

j/c

I'm waiting to read the praises of Haslam for landing these three FO guys.

way to go jimmy!!!!!!!!! good job.

For POSSIBLY FINALLY getting it right ...

I’d say CONGRATULATIONS are way to PRE-MATURE in this case ...

I’d prefer to wait 3 or 4 years and see where were at then ...

And I’ll NEVER PRAISE that THIEF for anything he does with our football team ... he’s a POS, SCUMBAG of a human being ... he can rot in hell right next to the “don” as far as I’m concerned ...

Look Diam...you really need to let it out how you feel about JH...holding in those thoughts and emotions is harmful to your well-being.

j/c

Thanks to those of you that took the time to explain in greater detail why Hoyer wasn't included in the deal. It makes a lot of sense after looking at the explanations. I appreciate it.

j/c:

My therapist and I are working on it ...

Dude, you'd be my hero if you could find
an autotune version lol

Being a Browns fan should come with a therapist.

The name Wolf being involved is the ONLY thing that even gets a Spock-like eyebrow raise from me. The rest of this is just another hiring... it doesn't count for anything in my book until and UNLESS they make it count for something.

What they did yesterday is great - it got them a job here, but it doesn't affect a single thing here.
What they do today & tomorrow is what I will judge them on. They get no kudos or laurels thrown for what they did elsewhere.

They're good? Well, they need to prove it, day in and day out and this team's record is what they will be judged on -- and NO, I will NOT buy into the reset/reboot mantra of "they need a few years".

Their judgement begins Sept. 2018.

It does. It's called DawgTalkers.net.

That’s group therapy, we all need one on ones with the best money can buy.

I am available for only $300 bucks an hour.

I heard that Mary Kay Cabot went scorched earth this morning about the new front office set up? Did anyone hear it? From what I read, she doesn't think John Dorsey (scouting) and Paul Depodesta (analytics) can work together and that Depodesta is overqualified position, so he should be fired.

She is critical but far from scorched earth.

Thanks for providing the link!

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/browns_coach.html

Browns add Adam Henry and Ken Zampese, part ways with Kirby Wilson, Chris Tabor, David Lee and others in staff shakeup
Updated 12:52 PM; Posted 12:51 PM
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By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Hue Jackson has completely overhauled a staff that went 0-16 this season.

He announced the previously reported hirings of Adam Henry as wide receivers coach and Ken Zampese as quarterbacks coach.

He also announced that earlier this week, the team parted ways with David Lee (quarterbacks), Shawn Mennenga (special teams assistant), Stan Watson (special teams quality control) and Kirby Wilson (running backs/run game coordinator). Chris Tabor, who has served as the team's special teams coordinator since 2011, has joined the Chicago Bears coaching staff.

In addition, Al Saunders, who served as senior offensive assistant/wide receivers coach, will transition into an advisory role. His new title will be senior assistant/special projects.

"At the end of each season, you have to evaluate everything," said Jackson. "The coaching staff is obviously a big part of that process and it starts with me. The truth of the matter is, we need to improve in every area. These are difficult decisions and for the coaches we've decided to part with, we thank them. They are good men, that have worked extremely hard and I appreciate their efforts. Adam Henry and Ken Zampese are two really good coaches that I was fortunate to work with earlier in my career. They have successful track records, having coached and helped develop some really good football players. They will demand a lot of our players and challenge them to become their best."

Would Dorsey pay someone like Cousins?