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AJ McCarron will be 28 this season ... Kizer will be 22
IMO, Kizer will be a better player than AJ by 28 (if not sooner obviously)
Keep him. It won't hurt anything to have him be a 3rd guy
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If I were the Giants I'd trade for Kiser then take Barclay. Kiser could sit behind Manning and learn while Barclay would take some pressure off Eli. Browns better keep Kiser cause he showed more toughness, both physical and mental than any Browns QB in a long time. Plus he's only 22.
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Kizer was an Awful pick for a bad team and made that bad team worse, get what you can for him please BROWNS stop the madness ,
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Trading Kizer and drafting Allen seems like an unnecessary lateral move.
The fact the Chiefs are interested in Kizer should tell you something about his future. They're not looking at him as a starter but rather a back-up to Mahomes. They may feel they can develop him but I don't believe Kizer has it to be a starter in this league. Accuracy is the most important trait for a quarterback and Kizer will never have it.
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You must really hate the Giants. lol
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You must really hate the Giants. lol I guess to all you Kiser haters he was one of the few Browns players still giving his all against the Steelers #1 defense in the season final. I have said in the past Kiser shouldn't have started last year but he was the best we had. I'm not ready to give up on him yet.
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It has zero to do with hate. He actually seems like a good kid. I don't doubt that he gives it his all.
What it has to do with are the weaknesses he possesses in his game. What it has to do with is what he lacks in his skill set. He has trouble going through his progressions. He has trouble reading D's post snap. He has an accuracy problem.
Those are a lot of obstacles to overcome in a QB.
I know some like to say everything is personal. That you're in love with a player or you hate a player. That's simply trying to simplify it down to a personal level. The fact is, sometimes people actually look at what a player has or doesn't have in their tool box and base their opinion on that.
A new concept, I know.
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In defense of Kizer he is very young.
He is also inexperienced. He was not ready to be the starter on a very poor team.
It takes time to learn a very difficult position let alone lead a team at 20 years old.
You go from being a student athlete working part time at both. Then you are in the NFL. The highest level of competition and you have never had professional coaching on a full time basis.
We will find about Kizer. He will either step up to the competition level or fade away.
But judging him on his first year in the NFL is really in his case is unfair.
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It has zero to do with hate. He actually seems like a good kid. I don't doubt that he gives it his all.
What it has to do with are the weaknesses he possesses in his game. What it has to do with is what he lacks in his skill set. He has trouble going through his progressions. He has trouble reading D's post snap. He has an accuracy problem.
Those are a lot of obstacles to overcome in a QB.
I know some like to say everything is personal. That you're in love with a player or you hate a player. That's simply trying to simplify it down to a personal level. The fact is, sometimes people actually look at what a player has or doesn't have in their tool box and base their opinion on that.
A new concept, I know. So you know all of this as fact? I am not trying to argue just wondering how some posters on here can be so quick to write off a 22 year old who has a lot of physical skills in his "tool box". Time and experience learning from a vet should improve his weaknesses.
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This is actually in reply to both you and Bone.
He is young and he can improve. Writing him off may be somewhat of an exaggeration as to what I'm suggesting.
The point I'm trying to make is that the more obstacles a player has to overcome, the less the odds are that he'll be a success. And then of course you must define what success means. To each person that may be different. Some may see success as being an above average starter. Some may see it as being a back up in the league.
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I didn't want to draft Kizer and I have zero attachment to him. I don't care about his long term future. Let me be clear on that.
He was a rookie QB. He made typical rookie mistakes. He should improve a lot from last season to this season. There is zero reason to trade him away even for a 2nd round pick. The game experience he has and the time we spent training him is very valuable. Chances are if we draft a Rookie QB then Kizer will end up being our veteran QB.
It's also possible he steps up his game and earns a starting role. I mean it's not like he was static all year. He DID improve as the season went on. On his last game he has 60 plus yards rushing(more than crow and duke combined) and over 300 yards passing. In short that last game he was the ENTIRE offense. There is reason to believe that he can become a legitimate QB with some refinement to his throwing technique and improved footwork.
It's just foolish to give up on him at this point.
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I didn't want to draft Kizer and I have zero attachment to him. I don't care about his long term future. Let me be clear on that.
He was a rookie QB. He made typical rookie mistakes. He should improve a lot from last season to this season. There is zero reason to trade him away even for a 2nd round pick. The game experience he has and the time we spent training him is very valuable. Chances are if we draft a Rookie QB then Kizer will end up being our veteran QB.
It's also possible he steps up his game and earns a starting role. I mean it's not like he was static all year. He DID improve as the season went on. On his last game he has 60 plus yards rushing(more than crow and duke combined) and over 300 yards passing. In short that last game he was the ENTIRE offense. There is reason to believe that he can become a legitimate QB with some refinement to his throwing technique and improved footwork.
It's just foolish to give up on him at this point. I agree. For all who gave Hue a pass because of the talent he had to work with should be willing to see that we had a 21 year old QB playing with that lack of talent. Kiser should be given more respect for what he was able to do when he should have been watching from the bench. With that said I agree we need to upgrade the position. If Kiser can improve he will get another chance eventually.
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I think you let Kizer and the rookie battle it out and let the best player win. If we draft someone at #1 it's not going to break my heart if he starts because he beat out Kizer. It's not going to break my heart if Kizer makes that 2nd year leap and makes the job his and never lets it go. Let the best man win the job and they want to keep it then frigging fight to keep it like every other position. It's not a bad thing if Kizer surprises us and turns out great. I mean if the mental ever catches up to his arm he could become a pretty decent QB. I admit that I don't have high hopes for Kizer but you can't just ignore the potential there.
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Oof, I disagree. I haven't given up on Kizer yet and things happen in this league. Kizer's on a 4 year contract and then he's a RFA, correct? Players are no longer restricted free agents after their fourth year.
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Oof, I disagree. I haven't given up on Kizer yet and things happen in this league. Kizer's on a 4 year contract and then he's a RFA, correct? Players are no longer restricted free agents after their fourth year. It depends on if they are drafted in the first round and what they put in their contract. 1st round picks can have 5 year contracts any any player can be tagged if they are drafted.
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If Dorsey was smart, he wouldn't let Kizer go.
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I'm thinking he is and he won't. Why else would Kizer be at the combine if he's not doing media?
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I'm thinking he is and he won't. Why else would Kizer be at the combine if he's not doing media? I wasn't aware he was there. I've heard the KC rumor, and think a 4th or a 5th for him is ridiculous. Doesn't seem like he'd be chatting up anyone without absolutely knowing he is being traded. I find it hard to believe they've had those type of discussions. Maybe he's there to scout? Support Toledo or ND dudes? Likes the combine and it's not that far away? Loves Paco's Tacos?
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I'm thinking he is and he won't. Why else would Kizer be at the combine if he's not doing media? I wasn't aware he was there. I've heard the KC rumor, and think a 4th or a 5th for him is ridiculous. Doesn't seem like he'd be chatting up anyone without absolutely knowing he is being traded. I find it hard to believe they've had those type of discussions. Maybe he's there to scout? Support Toledo or ND dudes? Likes the combine and it's not that far away? Loves Paco's Tacos? He gone.
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Was he at the combine for real? ...
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I didn't want to draft Kizer and I have zero attachment to him. I don't care about his long term future. Let me be clear on that.
He was a rookie QB. He made typical rookie mistakes. He should improve a lot from last season to this season. There is zero reason to trade him away even for a 2nd round pick. The game experience he has and the time we spent training him is very valuable. Chances are if we draft a Rookie QB then Kizer will end up being our veteran QB.
It's also possible he steps up his game and earns a starting role. I mean it's not like he was static all year. He DID improve as the season went on. On his last game he has 60 plus yards rushing(more than crow and duke combined) and over 300 yards passing. In short that last game he was the ENTIRE offense. There is reason to believe that he can become a legitimate QB with some refinement to his throwing technique and improved footwork.
It's just foolish to give up on him at this point. I agree. For all who gave Hue a pass because of the talent he had to work with should be willing to see that we had a 21 year old QB playing with that lack of talent. Kiser should be given more respect for what he was able to do when he should have been watching from the bench. With that said I agree we need to upgrade the position. If Kiser can improve he will get another chance eventually. Kizer is/was a bad QB and Hue is/was a bad coach, there is a very slim possibility that any of this two are actually worth anything... Saying that, I also think We can live with a bad 3rd QB and risk it....
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I read a couple of reports that he was ( don’t ask me who I don’t remember). If that is true he’s gone. There is no other reason for him and his agent to be there except to try and rebuild image and find a new home.
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I agree .. its why i asked ... i find it hard to believe but its not like i’ve Never been wrong before ... *L* ...
Trading him makes ZERO SENSE to me .... i actually think its really stupid ... but if he was at the combine ... hes gonzo .... hes been told something ...
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The only thing I can think of is they want a vet and Dorsey wants 2 of his guys drafted. I wouldn’t trade him, but I would not do most of the stuff the Browns do to be honest
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He was part of a panel on Sirius radio called "Campus to the Combine." Link
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He was part of a panel on Sirius radio called "Campus to the Combine." Link Thank God. Do not trade my Kizer.
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He was part of a panel on Sirius radio called "Campus to the Combine." Link Oh OK ... nothing to see here .... He’s going no where ... nor should he ... Breath easy Willie ... 
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He was part of a panel on Sirius radio called "Campus to the Combine." Link This makes a lot more sense. I still think we will trade him. (Will and should are not the same thing.)
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He was part of a panel on Sirius radio called "Campus to the Combine." Link I knew it! He loves Paco's Tacos.
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I'm thinking he is and he won't. Why else would Kizer be at the combine if he's not doing media? I wasn't aware he was there. I've heard the KC rumor, and think a 4th or a 5th for him is ridiculous. Doesn't seem like he'd be chatting up anyone without absolutely knowing he is being traded. I find it hard to believe they've had those type of discussions. Maybe he's there to scout? Support Toledo or ND dudes? Likes the combine and it's not that far away? Loves Paco's Tacos? He gone. *Pats self on back*
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So he's not and he did.  
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I mean I get it.. his chances of ever seeing the field were slim, especially if we draft a 1st round QB.. but still.. We gave up on him too quick.
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I mean I get it.. his chances of ever seeing the field were slim, especially if we draft a 1st round QB.. but still.. We gave up on him too quick. We ruined him too quick. He was never ready to see the field last season.
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Dorsey didn't have anything invested in him either. Sitting behind Aaron Rodgers is the best thing that could happen to Kizer. If he works hard, he might be their QB of the future.
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Yes, GB has the time to work with him. We didn't. We are going to be busy working with our drafted QB to give Kizer the time he needs. Plus, Kizer had enough pressure last season to fill anyone's grocery sack. In GB he won't have to face any pressure other than to work hard.
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