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John Dorsey refutes claims he said to avoid Josh Rosen in draft
Posted by Curtis Crabtree on January 23, 2018, 11:15 PM EST

Cleveland Browns general manager John Dorsey denied claims he said to stay away from UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen in the 2018 NFL Draft.

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, Dorsey told reporters at the Senior Bowl Tuesday that such statements were erroneous.

“It’s fake news because first off I’ve never talked to the kid,” Dorsey said. “I’ve never talked to anybody about the kid. If you remember right, I was unemployed a couple of weeks ago. I’m finally back in this thing. That’s fake news to me.”

The original statement came from Tony Pauline of DraftAnalyst.com. The report stated Dorsey was one of at least two general managers saying “stay away” from Rosen. It also indicated Dorsey made the statements before becoming general manager of the Browns in early December.

“As the combine moves along and we get closer to this process, I’ll get a chance to talk with him,” Dorsey said. “And he’ll be able to get a chance to talk with us. At the end of the day, is he a good player? Yeah. Those things don’t bother me. They usually take care of themselves. You know what? Let’s talk like grown men and see what happens.

The Browns have two picks in the top five of the NFL Draft and have lacked a stable franchise quarterback for most of their existence in Cleveland upon returning to the city as an expansion team in 1999. Rosen, USC’s Sam Darnold, Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield and Wyoming’s Josh Allen could all potentially be targets for the Browns with their early picks if they want to add another rookie quarterback to the mix.

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It probably means very little, but Josh Rosen is working with Tom House predraft.

Yeah, but he is a spoiled rich kid who doesn't want to work hard and hates football.

Working with an NFL throwing coach before he gets in the league doesn't exactly dispel the notion that he's not spoiled or rich.

Nor does any of the crap that's been spewed means that he is.

People said he wasn't serious about football either. So there's that.

Yeah, I think there are a lot of dumb narratives out there about a lot of prospects. With Rosen I'm wondering if the dumber comment is about his concussions, just because UCLA Medical School keeps him out of a college game does not mean he has concussion issues, it just means that UCLA is overly cautious, which is a good thing for schools. Rosen seemed fine during all of his pregame press conferences and would surely play in the NFL. The other dumb narrative about Rosen is that he doesn't want it bad enough. The reasoning behind this is because he used to be a tennis player and has always been aware of his life after football and what he wants out of it. However, they ignore Rosen saying he wants to be the best QB ever and play in the NFL for decades.

I think working with Tom House is great for Rosen. Out of the top 5 QBs, he's the last one who should be working with Tom House, but he's the only one. I think that speaks to the mindset Rosen has about the technical side of the game.

FWIW, Josh Allen and Sam Darnold are working with Jordan Palmer. I have no idea who Lamar Jackson and Baker are training with.

I believe it was reported that his friends and teammates said he's motivated by the money... No idea whether that's a good thing or not or if that really has a barring on his career... And I believe it was reported our own GM said he would stay away from Rosen.

Which friends and teammates?

I believe Sam Darnold will be the pick, but that doesn't mean we should make stuff up about Josh Rosen.

"He's motivated by the money"?

He's freakin 20 years old. What the heck does he know anyway? Seems real strange to me.

I'm not buying it one bit

Couldn't tell you. I didn't write the report.

And I couldn't tell you if it was made up or not. I don't write the articles I just read them.

I wonder which NFL players are not motivated by money. In fact, I wonder who in the world is not motivated by money.

Show me the report.

A past example....Mother Theresa?? Current examples? Can't think of anyone right of hand. Money and power are pretty much the cornerstones of a capitalistic society....not just football.

Rosen is whom I like best, but I won't be upset with any of the four as long as we draft one of them. I want the guy that everyone in our building identifies as the answer to our long term QB needs......no more excuses get it done!!!

I think Tom Brady likes, money but is not motivated by it. Tim Duncan? Dirk Nowitzki? All could have taken more money in other places.

How did you screw up this quote so bad? Here it is though.

http://thebiglead.com/2018/01/03/anonymous-sources-josh-rosen-comparisons-character/

I fixed it. I had multiple tabs open at once.

You know what's a great way to make a lot of money? Be really good at quarterback in the NFL.

I believe I read it in the Athletic. I thought this was the article that I linked, but I skimmed it and didn't surface initially. It might still be in there but I kinda just skimmed. If not that article it was another by the athletic...

Maybe they're not a reputable source... but they seem fine to me.

Maybe that was it, I thought it was in the athletic though. I'll keep looking.

Doesn't Tom part-own a business with his health guru who works with most of his teammates? He's also trying to get the TB12 brand into a major thing.

Tim Duncan is a different dude through and through. Same with Dirk. Neither are the great-great-great-great grandson of the founder of Wharton School of Business though.

Like I said I don't know if that's a good thing or not. If you want to be really good but motivated by money, it's not necessarily a bad thing... It doesn't mean he's not going to be good. I just took it as he's not motivated to be the best, he's motivated to be good so he can make money. Maybe there's more of those than really care to admit...

Dumb about the Concussions? Hmmmm. I think I'd read a bit more about this if I was you.

And did I read you correctly? With the Concussions he's had this year (2 reported) that he would PLAY in the NFL under the same circumstances? Hmmmmm.

I LOVE Rosen. The Concussion thing is a major deal.

Absolutely. Devonte Freeman did it this year or last year. The NFL doesn't care, especially if the player wants to play, like Rosen did. He had extensive media time with the press during and seemed fine. Unless he's Einstein and his concussed brain is still able to function at a high level. UCLA is just using preventive care. If you are a Doctor at UCLA would you let a #1 draft pick play in his final college game with the risk of a 3rd concussion in a year? I don't think they would.

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I'm not a huge fan of Colin Cowherd, but sometimes he makes good points. One of the points he makes in this clip at about the 3 minute mark is interesting. Note that this was recorded before the Browns hired Haley as OC.

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There is so much BS out there about Rosen. I love this from the report:



That gets turned into "his friends and teammates said he's motivated by the money..." LOL

I don't know Josh Rosen. I think these character attacks are lame. What I do know is that his mechanics tell me that he has spent a lot of time honing his craft. I know he is very accurate. I know I haven't read any reports of him getting arrested. I know that he is working w/Tom House right now. I know he declared for the draft even though he knows the Browns have the first overall pick.

I don't know if Dorsey will draft Josh Rosen, but I hope to God that dumb-ass, fabricated rumors shouldn't be a factor in us drafting him.

I don't think that'll affect anything.

First pick of the draft we're talking about. We're going to have PI Research teams Interviewing the first girl he kissed on the school bus field trip in the 7th grade.


This organization will know the knitty and gritty of Josh Rosen. That's what teams do when doing their research on QBs. And reports from whatever that news "source" is will have no affect their decision.

Vers, I put a lot of stock in your endorsement of Rosen. I have not seen him play. His stats are not that great, but college can be weird that way.
I love Mayfield's personality and I think he has a chance to be special, but there is a risk.
Really, really love Allen's upside, but if Rosen is ready, why go project?
Not feeling it at all with Darnold.

So right now, I am on Team Rosen. Please don't let him be Tim Couch 2.0.

Thanks Big G. I wasn't even going to talk much about the qbs this year because it's so hard to evaluate college qbs due to the one-read offenses that dominate the collegiate gridirons. However, Rosen's accuracy and the fact that he played in a pro-style offense where I saw him making multiple reads kinda blew me away.

I have been trying to back off on talking about him too much because these qb discussions get out of hand. People are really stretching the truth and putting out some misinformation. I just lash out once in awhile because it gets frustrating.

With all that said........don't take my word for it about Rosen. I'm not trying to convince anyone that he is the greatest. I'm not some QB guru or anything ...LOL.

Watch some of the whole game videos that are out there of Rosen and some of the other qbs and let me know what you think. I think you have a good eye and make some really good posts in the Pure Football forum.

Welcome

If he can stay healthy Rosen will be a top tier QB so I won't be sad if we draft him, so long as, they adapt the offense to suit his skill set. If they try to have him throwing a ton of deep balls then I will be disappointed. You better draft Barkley too to take some pressure off the pocket so he doesn't have to pretend to be a mobile QB. Still, like I say, if they use him the right way he will be a great QB.

tab, I think Razor is using completion percentage to indicate that he can't throw deep. He is not factoring in that UCLA's WRs had a ton of drops and that their OL was terrible.

Read the reports for yourself and every single one of them say that "he can make all the throws." The dude has an excellent arm.

I think you would like him because he is so accurate. That accuracy isn't just about fitting the ball into tight windows, but also because he leads his receivers into YAC. It's very impressive and much like Jimmy G.

My knocks on Rosen are that he sometimes forces the ball into tight coverage, especially when he is pressured heavily. While it proves he can make those throws, it also can lead to turnovers. He is going to have to be coached-up in that regard.

Vers did I not say I think he will be a good QB? I've even said I'ed be happy if he ended up a Brown. He is the best short to medium passer in the draft. That is his bread and butter. He is not consistent on deep passes though. He will have 2 or 3 bad passes for every jaw dropping great pass he makes going deep. Deep passes are NOT his bread and butter. There is nothing wrong with that except I don't think it matches up with what Hue likes to do or our new OC either for that matter.

Like I said, don't get me wrong. I like him as a QB quite a bit. He just isn't perfect. None of these guys are perfect. Rosen is definitely the one most ready to start day one though.

I still like Darnold and Mason the best for the offense we will run. Not because they are better but IMHO they match the system better.

But hey if we get Rosen, Darnold, or Mason I will be extremely happy =) I hope you understand me better now. I'm not hating Rosen at all.

It's cool, Razor. We just disagree on Rosen's ability to throw the deep pass. I'll leave it at that.

for what it's worth, the vast majority of passes in the NFL are less than 18 yards. ***Rosen's bread and butter***

the average pass is under 11 yards. 99% of Every NFL QB's completed air yards are under 8 (minus Watson)

(stats to back it up)
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards


FWIW: If deep balls were such a big deal, 12 guarge would be starting over everyone. he can throw the ball 100 yards and be pretty accurate.