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FS is a bigger need for us than RB. After Fitz and James, there isn't much left at FS. RB is loaded in this draft.
I like Barkley. I think he's special. But there is a lot of special at RB in this draft. Deputy, who are to the 3-5 other RBs you like? I'd enjoy seeing who else is on your radar. It will get me to start watching some people. Tons! Saquon Barkley Derrius Guice Bryce Love Ronald Jones II Damien Harris Royce Freeman Sony Michel Nick Chubb Kerryon Johnson L.J. Scott Akrum Wadley To give you an idea, a guy like Mike Weber from OSU probably won't be taken until the 5th or 6th round. The draft is just that deep.
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Did L.J Scott come out? I didn’t see that.
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Did L.J Scott come out? I didn’t see that. Probably not, I haven't kept track of who on that list has already declared.
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LJ Scott said he was returning to Michigan State.
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So your saying that in the second round we can't find another FS? That Fitz is so much better than the next guy.
Yes ... just like your saying that the next guy is that far behind Barkley ... I agree Barkley is special and with your reasons for why hes special ... BUT the same is true of Fitz .. will adress that below .... There are plenty of athletic guys that come in the size of Fitz.
I don't see many guys that have what Barkley has. U can’t have it both ways bro ... i agree that Barkley is special cause he has a skill set others don’t ... SAME CAN BE SAID OF FITZ in comparision to others at his position .... U used the term atheletic above ... well if theres FS that come with the same physical package as he does ... they there’s RB’s with the same physical package as Barkley .. ITS ALL RELATIVE ... like i said ... u can’t have it both ways .... THERE BOTH SPECIAL ... I just do not see FS as a position having the impact that a great runner has. I 100% agree with that as a GENERAL STATEMENT ... in our situation ... i don’t agree with it ... Crow/Duke are a much better RB combo than ALL THE SAFETIES on our roster combined at FS ... we have a GLARING HOLE at FS ... GLARING .... GAND CANYON SIZED ... The hole at RB??? ... not so big ... its not even top 5 for us as far as NEEDS GO ... If FS were all that then why are they not drafted that high on a regular basis. GOOD POINT .... again ... EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT ... were talking about IMPACT on our team ... I could care less about the other 31 teams and how it affects them and what they usually do ... I would bet a dollar to a donut(although anymore I guess a donut costs a dollar) that Barkley is drafted higher than Fitzpatrick. U and I both know thats not an indicator of anything but how the draft is going and what the needs are of the teams are at the top of the draft ... THERE BOTH SPECIAL .... In addition there are FS that can be had in FA. Then you can see what you get. You will never find a runner like Barkley in free agency. I agree u can get a much better FS in FA than u can RB ... witch works out well for us this year as FA is before the draft ...  If we get a FS in FA ... i’m much better with the Barkley pick ... U said you’d never get a RB like Barkley in FA .... i agree ..... now u need to tell me the ALL WORLD FS that has been in FA EVER ..... unless your thinking the Vikes are gonna let Hayseed walk when he becomes a FA? ... come on bro ... your not going to find a FS in FA of fitz’s pedigree ....
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Crowell is most likely gone to Free agency.
As an offense the Browns has been horrible for a long time and Crowell is average at best.
The Browns have to score.
A runner like Barkley is a huge lift. Just his presence alone helps the passing game.
I won't budge on this. You got be like Sean Taylor to move me at safety. And I don't see Fitzpatrick in the same league.
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No. No. No. No. No .... please don't do that. I still remember "Brady, Brady, Brady!!!!" and "David, David, David!!!!!!" 
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Not looking to budge u ... just presenting my side ...
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Thats BS and u KNOW IT ... Damm is that BS ... U know full well ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It was ... BRADY BRADY BRADY and DAVID DAVID DAVID If U feel the need to open old wounds .. at least do it the right way and don’t 1/2 ass it ... *L* ... I’m shooting for ... 3RD TIMES A CHARM .... FITZ FITZ FITZ!!!!
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btw...if we draft Fitz you really think we will play him at FS. I betcha we play him at CB. 
I wouldn't get mad either way but I prefer Barclay. We actually make big holes for Crow...all them 7+ yard runs have big time holes. With Barclay's speed those can become TDs.
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Do either 2 times, or 4 ..... but 3 has a really bad track record ..... 
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Barkley can score from anywhere. Hell they use him to return.
He is not a normal person.
You get him, a vet qb, another receiver, and we could actually come back in a game.
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Do either 2 times, or 4 ..... but 3 has a really bad track record ..... *LOL* ... If it don’t work this time ... I’LL GIVE 2 OR 4 A SHOT!!! *LOL* ... good one bud ...
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Does anybody think that Josh Jackson might be in the discussion for the #4 overall pick? According to CBSsports he is 6'1, 192# and had 8 interceptions https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/2165597/joshua-jacksonThey call him a "long, tenacious cornerback" https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news...saquon-barkley/I've heard a lot on media commentary about how he blankets the receiver he is covering. We need Cb help almost as much as FS help and we need players on D to create turnovers 8 Interceptions is a good start. Or is this a ridiculous thought?
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No, but I could see him, Ward and Derwin become consolation prizes in a trade back.
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btw...if we draft Fitz you really think we will play him at FS. I betcha we play him at CB.
He excels at both positions and gives some flexibility...
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I think in order to answer this question of Minkah vs Barclay .... just look at the depth of the positions they play in the draft.
With Barclay - he's very special but this is a phenom year for RB. We can pick up a really excellent RB in Round 2 - or a very good RB in round 3 I believe. . . . I don't think the same can be said for the CB class.
To me it's a little like our FA acquisitions last year - the draft was weak on OL so we went out and got the best OL we could sign in FA ... in the draft, you take the elite talent at the position that has the greatest drop off in talent in later rounds. Plus - we REALLY need a #1 CB.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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https://twitter.com/JReidDraftScout/status/951902832336211968J.R. ‏ @JReidDraftScout 3m3 minutes ago More #DraftNotes Alabama players frequently refer to Minkah Fitzpatrick as "Coach Saban's son". He's the only player that's ever made Saban smile. Fitzpatrick also is the only player Saban has ever allowed in coaches meetings to watch film on Sundays or the day after games. Ok, I'm no longer cool with trading down. Just draft Fitzpatrick.
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Damn I watch game tape of Quan and think wow!
That's a game changer.
I watch tape of Minka and I see a freaking stud a cross between Xavier Rhodes and Jamal Adams.
I can't decide...Lol like our opinions matter.
I guess Minka's combine is going to factor into my decision. If his movement skills, 3 cone, shuttle and explosion numbers are top tier CB numbers then I'll prolly take Minka.
That's high praise from the Bama crowd.
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https://twitter.com/JReidDraftScout/status/951902832336211968J.R. ‏ @JReidDraftScout 3m3 minutes ago More #DraftNotes Alabama players frequently refer to Minkah Fitzpatrick as "Coach Saban's son". He's the only player that's ever made Saban smile. Fitzpatrick also is the only player Saban has ever allowed in coaches meetings to watch film on Sundays or the day after games. Ok, I'm no longer cool with trading down. Just draft Fitzpatrick. Just when I convinced myself on Saquin at 4 and a Cb like Baker from Georgia early in round 2. Back to the drawing board
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Just curious .....
Did the comments from the Bama players yesterday about how Saban treated Fitz and what he thought of them give u food for thought? ...
Did it Sway u at all ... maybe to re-consider or even to change your mind ... or it made think for a few but u still want Barkley ...
Just curious ...
I was all ready set on Fitz .. how saban treated him just put the last nail in that decisions coffin for me ...
Let me know your thoughts on the newest revalation ...
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I have great respect for Saban as a coach.
So what he thinks of a player holds value.
For me the evaluation of Fitz as a player or his character is not the crux of the matter.
If you read about what has been written about Barkley as a person, teammate, work ethic and player you also get rave reviews.
Both players will be considered top five picks.
Again for me it boils down to the position impact.
A great three down back who can also return will have more opportunities to impact a game.
Against the Hawkeyes Barkley had 43 touches and 3 returns.
How many plays is a FS going to impact in one game?
He is not going to be directly involved in the same capacity that a runner like Barkley will be involved in an offense.
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FS impact?
MANY PLAYS.
Fitzpatrick would change the ways any Offense tries to attack us.
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How many plays is a FS going to impact in one game?
He is not going to be directly involved in the same capacity that a runner like Barkley will be involved in an offense. 1. Are we talking about running backs in general or running back on this team? No running back on this team will affect the game in a great way unless there are major changes. 2. There are basically no running backs in the league that carry the ball enough to make the type of difference you are describing. Almost every team splits carries with their running backs (which we should probably be doing because Duke Johnson is a very dynamic player). 3. If you are selecting a safety with the #4 pick you are expecting that player to be great. If the safety is great then he most definitely impact the game on a play by play basis. Players like Ed Reed, Eric Weddle, Sean Taylor, Harrison Smith, and many more definitely impact the way offenses gameplan.
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Another factor is the talent in the draft at the position. Say we are going to draft a FS and a RB. Which is a better tandem, Fitz and the best RB available in the 2nd or 3rd round? Or Barkley and the best FS available in the 2nd or 3rd? My guess it’s Fitz and a later RB. RB is deep this year.
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Another factor is the talent in the draft at the position. Say we are going to draft a FS and a RB. Which is a better tandem, Fitz and the best RB available in the 2nd or 3rd round? Or Barkley and the best FS available in the 2nd or 3rd? My guess it’s Fitz and a later RB. RB is deep this year. And we still have Duke Johnson. At safety we basically have nothing.
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This about Barkley versus Fitzpatrick and the positions they play.
If Fitzpatrick is in the same league as Ed Reed or Sean Taylor then you are in a different space.
Look at the history of drafting safety's in the draft. I posted it.
Would you take Ed Reed over Jim Brown?
If Barkley and Fitzpatrick project to have those types of careers I am taking Barkley.
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That exact point I have made in this discussion. And it is an important point.
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Thanks bone ... i was just curious ... Lets hope witch ever one of us is “happier” after the pick ... we both end up with smiles on our faces for the next decade + ....
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Another question is: would we play Fitz at FS or Cb?
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Another question is: would we play Fitz at FS or Cb? Matters not to me ... we need them both ... I want a DOMINANT D ... thats all ... 
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I am with you man.
Neither guy is a bad choice.
My preference for the first two picks: Darnold and Barkley.
If it ended up Rosen and Fitzpatrick I would not be disappointed.
What I am most thrilled about is the FO team Dorsey has assembled. That is the future of the Browns and I am more excited about where we are today than I have been since the Bernie era.
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I am with you man.
Neither guy is a bad choice.
My preference for the first two picks: Darnold and Barkley.
If it ended up Rosen and Fitzpatrick I would not be disappointed.
What I am most thrilled about is the FO team Dorsey has assembled. That is the future of the Browns and I am more excited about where we are today than I have been since the Bernie era.
Agree 100% .... this is by far the best FOOTBALL PEOPLE we have since our return ... and i’m not even sure how good these guys are ... thats how bad its been ... *L* .. With all the AMMO they have ... even if they stink at this we should still be in good shape just due to the ODDS of hitting in the draft and FA ... If we take any of your scenarios above they will be off on the right foot at least as far as I’m concerned ... Were set up to BE VERY VERY GOOD for the next few years if they do this even 1/2 right ... if they kill it .... WOOOOHOOOOO ...
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Another question is: would we play Fitz at FS or Cb? I don't want to keep debating which guy we should take because people get set in their opinions. However, I would like to answer your question. I think he would mostly line up at FS. I think his instincts would make a tremendous difference for us there. I can also see us having the ability go to Cover 1 and Fitz would be lining up like a corner. I also see him blitzing. He actually over powered an OT from Tenn this past year. I can also see him covering very good TEs at times, which would reduce some of the pressure from our linebackers. We have seen that neither Kindred or Peppers are very good in coverage. Thus, I think he gives us a ton of flexibility and he would be an impact player for us. The only real negative I see is that he sometimes takes bad angles. That could be an issue at FS. I do think that can be coached up especially because he doesn't do it a lot.
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Another question is: would we play Fitz at FS or Cb? Probably both. He would immediately be the best CB on our team if we added him. He could also be a tremendous FS. I suspect he'll mainly play FS, but could be asked to cover someone's #1 WR.
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