One big issue for me is that I feel Jackson drops his head too much when scrambling. He doesn't seem to keep his eyes down field. Watson did and I felt Kizer did as well. I don't know if this is an easy thing to fix.
i think QB's do that when they don't have all that much faith in their receivers, or like a mixture of that with them just deciding to take off.
Watson, he had reliable targets. go to targets. so he can scramble out and trust his receivers are gonna move and give him a target.
Lamar's only weapon was jalen smith.
and bro i feel you on the QB running thing. i was just saying that as a football player, guys in general would rather dictate the hit than get smacked on the blind side, never see it coming.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The best advice Lamar Jackson can get is to disregard advice. It can only confuse him. It can only complicate a decision that should be simple.
Until the University of Louisville quarterback officially declares for the 2018 NFL draft or elects to stay in school for his senior year, he should mute the voices in his ear, ignore the unsolicited input of quasi-scouts and wannabe agents and follow the keen instincts that have twice made him a Heisman Trophy finalist and once enabled him to take home the hardware.
He should follow his heart’s lead blocking and resist the temptation to try and time a market that is notoriously capricious. He should do as he has done with those who would advise him to skip the TaxSlayer Bowl in the interests of self-preservation.
“I won’t listen to them,” Jackson said Friday.
Opinions are so divided on Jackson’s pro prospects that some analysts are talking out of both sides of their mouths, sometimes barely catching their breath between 180-degree pivots. CBS Sports’ Chris Trapasso has repeatedly alternated between identifying Jackson as his No. 1 overall selection and excluding him entirely from his first-round projections.
“The reason why I didn't have Lamar in my last mock was mainly because I'm assigned to do a mock every week, so I'm always looking for different scenarios,” Trapasso wrote in response to an e-mail query. “I have Jackson as my No. 1 QB in the class. And my mocks at this point are kinda/sorta what I think could happen, not really what I would do.”
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That was last Monday. Friday, Trapasso restored Jackson to his No. 1 projected pick, albeit with a disclaimer.
“This seems unlikely now,” he wrote, “but based on (Cleveland Browns’ coach) Hue Jackson’s affinity for a mobile quarterback, this could become ‘a thing’ over the next few months. Jackson would add an electric element to the Browns offense that has been missing for a while.”
If there is a consensus opinion about Jackson, it is that he could be the most explosive quarterback talent since Michael Vick. That numerous analysts do not see him as a first-round selection reflects their reservations about his comparatively lean body type and inconsistent throwing mechanics.
Though Jackson completed 60.4 percent of his passes during the regular season and threw 25 touchdown passes against only six interceptions, he has yet to approach his U of L predecessor Teddy Bridgewater in terms of pinpoint precision.
Bridgewater, remember, completed a higher percentage of his passes as a freshman than did Jackson as a junior, and he reached 71 percent in his last season before the Minnesota Vikings grabbed him in the first round of the 2014 draft.
That said, Jackson has a running gear Bridgewater has never glimpsed, and an arm that could pass for an artillery piece. From here, he seems ideally suited to an NFL team with an established late-career quarterback that did not need him to play immediately (New Orleans? New England?); a team with time to invest in resolving the technical issues of a superlative talent.
From here, Lamar Jackson projects as a mid-to-late first-round draft choice. And he is encouraged to ignore that opinion.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I really hate trying to evaluate these guys and am glad I don’t have to stake my career on it. They are so athletically gifted and tend to use that god given gift to their advantage in college where it seems they are on a completely different level, to put their teams on their backs and win games for their schools that it makes it very difficult to predict or sometimes even see what kind of QB they are. When I say that I mean as a passer first. Like Ed said we get blinded by the sheer athletes that they are and the wow plays they generate we miss what they are good at and maybe what they aren’t so good at. It would be hard for me to pound the table for a kid I just didn’t see enough of what I wanted him to be able to do once he got here to the NFL.
Don't really understand why they say Jackson has an affinity for a mobile quarterback. Besides RG III, what QB that Jackson has been involved was considered a mobile QB. Palmer, Campbell, Flacco, Dalton, etc. Not exactly Mike Vick's in that bunch.
Rg3 was obviously a failed experiment, but that was due to injuries, especially since that's what ruined him in DC anyway.
Dalton did a bit of read option under Hue during two seasons as OC with the bengals, 2015 being one of Dalton's best seasons ever. Dalton isn't Vick, but he is Mobile, and had 7 rushing TD's between the two seasons hue was there as OC.
Then, he was a fan of Watson, who definitely fits the mobile QB mold. Hue hasn't worked with a lot of mobile QB's, true. but just because he hasn't had the opportunity to work with them doesn't mean he doesn't prefer them, especially since none of those QB's you listed were chosen by Hue. he was a position coach with no say so in the QB's he worked with.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
j/c...hard for me to think seriously of Lamar Jackson being a possible QB for us.
1. We will be taking a QB, #1, 2 or 4...pending on what transpires. We will have our Franchise prospect by #4. No way Lamar Jackson will sniff top 5 pick in this draft...not even top 10. No way we drop back that far for a QB not when we hold #1 n #4 picks.
2. Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield will be our QB come draft day...all other aren't even in the equation as far as I'm concerned.
jmho
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
I would only maybe consider Young as a running QB of those guys. And he was a pass first guy. Your and my opinions on what a running QB are, are different, I’m thinking of guys like Vick and RGIII, Randall Cunningham in his younger days.
I don’t know where to slot either of those guys, I wish more college teams would be more pro style so we all could see what they could do on more equal platforms, but for the spectator it’s fun to see different style of offenses.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
??? McCoy a 3rd round pick yep and we also got Kessler...what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?
Trub over Watson...you saying you have assessed their careers already and that Watson is some kind of winner. He didn't make it through his first season. Trib got stronger and stronger. His support was not as good as Watson's.
We'll see how he progresses with the new staff in Chicago.
I don't see that as a Credibility buster. I still would prefer to have Trub on our team over Watson...you wouldn't???
jmh?
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
you said accuracy was key. so i gave you colt mccoy.
i'm saying that Trub didn't get injured and still sucked, still couldn't even get half the numbers of TD's watson did despite playing more games, and have a way better ground attack.
yes, i would absolutely take Watson over Trubisky. i said so during that draft period.
and SO FAR based on the results of both of their rookie seasons, my comments are correct.
and btw, i wasn't trying to bust your credibility. what i was implying is that maybe you should give kids like lamar jackson more thought and respect than what you and others have shown.
because the fact is that a lot of the things people have said about lamar is pretty much the same they said about watson.
and i agree with you that i think mayfield will be a stud in the nfl, and i actively hope we either take mayfield or lamar.
but come on man. Lamar is also just as talented as any of these other QB's coming out.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It pains me to see people think that Mayfield is a better QB than Lamar.
Accuracy is the reason...we deserve to have a very accurate QB! We have earned it for freaking 18 years of suffering. That is why.
jmho
Is Mayfield accurate like that though? It's easy to be accurate in large windows, difficult to throw into tight ones. Even harder to throw under pressure. Georgia exposed him a bit this year. I like Baker, I think he can be good in the Jeff Garcia way. But he'll need the right system. He had that system with Oklahoma last year. At the end of the day though, if you put Baker on Louisville, the Cardinals win 5 games. If you put Lamar Jackson on Oklahoma, they go undefeated.
LOL.............y'all are nuts. I'm not saying that in a mean way. I'm just laughing.
On a serious note, I think it is really, really hard to project what Lamar and Mayfield will do in the pros. Both have so much to learn and both have never been asked to do what they will be asked to do in the NFL.
Both will be viewed as projects and are risky picks. I am not saying they won't succeed. I am saying speaking in absolutes about how some know that they will be good is really a stretch.
People like to point out the successes of R. Wilson and mention that Watson played very well in a handful of games, but do any of you realize how many of these types of QBs have been absolutely dreadful and several others had success early only to be figured out and are now out of the league?
Do you realize how many “prototype”QBs have been massive bust in the nfl?
It’s hard to project what any of these QBs will do in the pros.
The reality is that we actually haven’t seen that many QBs like Wilson, brees, Vick, etc in the nfl.
But we have seen plenty of the prototypes, though.
I mean honestly, we need to have this discussion. I would LOVE to just talk straight football with you, tab, bone, whoever, about 5ese QBs.
Because I’ve seen you guys say that Rodgers in the best qb in the league.
Yet the reality is that he’s more in line with the Wilson, Watson, Mayfield, Jackson, brees kind of QBs than anybody you’ve been pimping lately.
Rodgers isn’t close to being a pro type QB. He isn’t between 6’3-6’4. He’s 6’2, and he DAMN sure isn’t a pocket passer. This is is literally all over the field, out of the pocket, getting first down with his legs, juking nfl defenders like it’s nfl street on the PlayStation
Rodgers is a duel threat qb and it ain’t close. He isn’t a pure pocket passer. He isn’t some stiff in the pocket.
Wilson is the same way. He’s developing and growing into the same caliber player. I’m not saying he’s Rodgers, but the similarities in their game are there.
So I find it very strange that you guys will say duel threat Aaron Rodgers is the best QBs in the game, but then are hellbent on guys who “look”the part.
I look at guys like Mayfield and Jackson and I wonder why they don’t get the respect that Darnold and Rosen get, especially since they are more accomplished, play in harder conferences, and have that IT factor.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I want get into some film discussion/breakdown of Lamar Jackson. But wanted to chime in on the whole accuracy conversation.
The way people talk about accuracy these days is more subjective then ever. It basically comes down to the 'ole eye ball test. And usually it comes from a general impression from watching a couple maybe few games.
You listen to certain draft media OR You watch a handful of passes from the right/wrong game of prospect and bam in people's minds that prospect is labelled as accurate or inaccurate and there is basically nothing that can be said or shown to dissuade that opinion.
Look back to the perception of DeShaun vs Mitchell's accuracy during last draft season.
Some draft tried to label Watson as inaccurate. Despite his production, despite what you saw on field, despite the advanced ball placement backshoulder throws, despite the actual accuracy charting and despite having the best throwing session at the combine.
Anyhow I thought i'd actually post the accuracy charting from both as prospects:
I really hate trying to evaluate these guys and am glad I don’t have to stake my career on it. They are so athletically gifted and tend to use that god given gift to their advantage in college where it seems they are on a completely different level, to put their teams on their backs and win games for their schools that it makes it very difficult to predict or sometimes even see what kind of QB they are. When I say that I mean as a passer first. Like Ed said we get blinded by the sheer athletes that they are and the wow plays they generate we miss what they are good at and maybe what they aren’t so good at. It would be hard for me to pound the table for a kid I just didn’t see enough of what I wanted him to be able to do once he got here to the NFL.
I love the evaluation process. I really do. If the life of an entry level scout wasn't vastly underpaid and road intensive I would have done it.
You evaluate the so called running QBs the same way you evaluate every QB prospect. You isolate the passing traits you want to assess and go to work. The only difference is they also have additional skillset and plays to evaluate.
Right now I'm charting this game:
I'm halfway through but I already see Jackson/Louisville doing rhythm drop back passing and NFL style route concepts (thus far only half field reads/hi-lo) but NFL concepts none the less. And those are the types of pass plays you can evaluate and assess.
It sounds like it’s early for you yet but where do you have Jackson slotted as far as where you would take him? I think he could be a love/hate type of prospect for most GMs.
I love watching tape on these guys, I tend to like the defensive side of the ball more then the offensive.
It sounds like it’s early for you yet but where do you have Jackson slotted as far as where you would take him? I think he could be a love/hate type of prospect for most GMs.
I love watching tape on these guys, I tend to like the defensive side of the ball more then the offensive.
Where would I take him? That's a good question.
Lamar might end up being the highest rated QB for me. His upside is tremendous. But keep in mind i'm not ranking the QBs specifically for the Browns.
But I haven't finished looking at the QBs enough to really rank them. But to me he clearly possesses the most improvisational ability....explosive improvisational ability. People love to minimize or somehow even turn the 'dual threat' or 'running' ability into a negative but the ability for the QB to evade pressure, extend plays and gain yards is huge. And Jackson brings more of that ability to the table then any prospect I can remember since Mike Vick. More then Watson, more then Griffin more then Wilson.
And now more then ever teams are building offenses around there QBs. The trickle up flow of offensive schemes from college is happening now more then ever.
So...I guess it depends on where other teams value him. Where I rank him and where I would take him are different. Different teams have their draft boards in different orders. Sometimes it seems like people in this forum think that the league wide the ranks for the prospects are the same. But I would want to take him before any other team does but I don't want to take him earlier then I have to.....so I guess that would make Lamar a 1st round pick.
I think Lamar Jackson will do better on the white board then most of the current draft media talk suggests. And as the scouting departments and coaches keep churning through game tape and the combine and pro-days occur I think Lamar Jackson's perception and 'so called' draft stock will "rise". Or more accurately I think the draft media community will have a market correction and start to view Jackson the way I think NFL team's view him....similar to what happened with Watson last year. Some draft media was out there saying Watson was a 3rd round pick then before the draft he was finally viewed as fringe 1st round prospect then ended up going top of the 1st round.
Just curious...but a tough take cause Lamar has done a lot. But there is a reason he is not mentioned by Scouts, GMs, Coaches as a viable option in this draft.
A lot of these super Draft Guru's comply most of their final decisions off of some buddies they have made over the years in the FO sector...its not their assessments but that of what they hear.
Curious part is how does Lamar compare with Geno Smith...
jmho
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
I don’t have the opportunity to meet or talk to any of the prospects so I tend to leave out any of the abilities of the prospects on the white board, it would be complete guess for me. I recognize his explosiveness, it jumps out on the tape. As for me, while I like that type of ability I really like my QBs to use it to get the ball downfield with the pass. Rogers is the gold standard for me. While he will run, not nearly as explosive as some especially Jackson, but will do his best to keep his eyes downfield and get rid of the ball downfield. Watson was pretty good at this to, not Rogers, but I don’t think I’d give him the title of a Running QB. Vick to me was a running QB. If his first or second read(maybe he got further through his progressions then that, I don’t really know) but if it wasn’t there once he made his mind up that the pass wasn’t there he was looking to take off downfield. I think there is a spot in the Nfl for a player like that but it’s gonna take a progressive head coach who is willing to take the chance and build an offense for it. So far all coaches have wanted to keep those guys in the pocket and change what they do. It’s hard for those guys to take that ability because if you’re that explosive why would you want to. I mean if I could outrun whatever DLineman and linebackers maybe even DBs are out there on the field why wouldn’t you.
I think Jackson will end up going either late first maybe second round, some coach will fall in love with his potential and the more the likely try to turn him into more of a pocket passer. Which IMO may be a mistake for the kid.
