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If go back far enough, everything traces back to the West Coast because that system was actually based on Paul Brown's system.

And yes Hue did mix in some West Coast concepts into his system. The Zampese numbers system is the Air Coryell offense.

You were right in that it is Air Coryell and you are also right in that Hue's version is a little different.

I have a hard time believing it because if I were him I wouldn't want it. I thought he got fired which would guarantee his contract in offset language meaning the Titans would be on the hook whether he coached or not. But, it appears they agreed to part ways.

Also, if i'm him I would want to be an OC in place where i'm the voice/mind behind rather then executing someone else's offense. After all he was the HC/playcaller on a team that went 9-7 the past 2 season going to the playoff in a year where his QB was hurt for a large chunk of the season.

I would think he that he would think that he could do better is all.

I agree their offenses are different. They are different in both verbiage West Coast vs Corylell (digit) and philosophy vertical vs quick rhythm.

But they do have something in common....McAdoo does like to air it out more then I like and (thus far in the Cleveland) so does Hue.

But, I suspect that McAdoo would learn Hue's verbiage to make it easier on the team.

The PLAY CALLING was NOT GOOD ... it was BAD ... thats the opposite of GOOD ...

Play calling was waaay too predictable IMO.

Hell we sat on the couch and guess probably 25% of the plays correctly, if someone with my limited knowledge can do that imagine the what the experts can see.

The Jets fired their offensive coordinator John Morton.

https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/953751922737057793

The rumor is that they want Todd Haley.

Morton is a guy I might want more than anyone. He got a lot out of the Jets' offense. They were one of the least talented teams in the league and outperformed expectations (yes, I know they were still terrible on offense).

Morton would be a nice fit. But he was only OC one year. Him and Mayfield could be really good together.

Morton was also with the saints as WR coach and helped develop Thomas, Cooks, and Snead.

Maybe we'll take a look.

I am interested in Haley. Clearly the fall guy in Pitt as they ranked top 5 in offense this season and scored 42 (ok, 35) on one fo the best defenses. Why can him?

I want Mularky. He believes in the run.

Add in the RB coach who studied under Gus Malzahn of Auburn, the best running game mind in the game, we have something.

I wouldn't necessarily say they canned Haley. His contract was up.

I think he rubs people the wrong way. I think there was a conflict between him and Ben. The latter said he wasn't allowed to audible into calling a qb sneak. The Steelers have one of very best OLs--and maybe the best. They have a HOF qb, the best RB and best WR in football. Kinda hard to not be good w/that talent.

His 4 4th down calls were atrocious. He got run out of KC due mostly to his personality. I'm not sure, but there might be something off about the guy. I could be wrong, though.

Yup. I agree. That's the impression that I get.

He wears on people


EDIT: And finding a new Todd Haley is a lot easier than finding a new Ben Roethlisberger.

The Steelers know. They will bend over backwards to keep Ben from retiring

ProFootballTalk

McAdoo may be Jackson's first choice for OC

It's understandable why Hue Jackson wants to hire Ben McAdoo as offensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns, but he may not win that battle.

He mentions a posible riff between Dorsey and Hue.

Watch video on link.

Reminds me of that scene from Fletch

I don't ever know your name
Ben Dover
Ben, damn glad to meet you, Victor Hugo

I don't know about a riff (rift?) between Hue Jackson and John Dorsey, but Ben McAdoo is clearly a Dorsey guy.

It seems Florio is implying this makes McAdoo, Hue's perfect patsy.

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/953777243586777093

Jason La Canfora was early on the Eliot Wolf news. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.

j/c:

I know Vambo and some others want to bad-mouth Hue at every opportunity, but doesn't McAfee have more ties to Dorsey than Hue? Is it possible that perhaps the FO and coaching staff are actually working together?

I think Haley is very football smart. However, I don't think we need an abrasive personality at this point in time.

Along these lines, Zegura implied today on CBD that Dorsey and the FO were a part of all the OC interviews.

As they should be. A FO and a coaching staff is something foreign to the Browns, but that is the way it should go down.

*This is a joke*

They have to make sure Hue Jackson doesn't scare them off.

I don't want to fight with you Vers so please stop.

Okay. I don't want to talk to you, anyways.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/HaleTo0.htm

Haley's offenses with the Steelers and Cardinals were very good. He also had Ben Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald, Antonio Brown, Anquan Boldin, Martavis Bryant, and Le'Veon Bell.

My thoughts/ranking the available OCs by ability:

Haley-great OC playcaller, reputation for being hard to work with makes him a bad fit imho

Mularkey-great OC good play caller, steady, run/TE focused all football

Bevell-good play caller still cursed by the SB GL call, identified and groomed Russell Wilson, gets a lot from limited talent outside the QB

Mike Shula-runs a good offense despite limited talent outside of the QB position; handled imho a high maintenance QB

Rick Dennison (But must not be allowed to call plays)- knows the Shanahan offense and run game but is very bland play caller..lost a lot WR talent and the offense regressed during his 1st year as playcaller and was part of a staff that blamed their QB and almost list a playoff berth in the process....but I live the Shanahan smash mouth WCO

Ken Dorsey-learned under Shula, directly groomed Cam

Sean Ryan-worked under OBrien has been given credit for developing Watson and helping OB adapting the scheme

McAdoo-produced highly productive #1WR based ECO w/ established QB....was in a bad situation with his OL and WRs...but welcome to the NFL lack of talent is par for the course for other coaches and they dealt with it without throwing their QB under the bus

Morton-got a lot out of a limited QB and limited surrounding talent

I would be good with any of those guys as OC.

I think it's more likely that Hue is not all that serious about giving up control.

Good point at the end.

Iam reminded of a quote in a discussion about how important a part a coach makes in success versus how that success is totally held hostage by player's talent. I do not think it is exclusively one and not the other. The insight?

"Great players make great coaches." I would add to that the where and when of their situation. Mediocre in NE might well star and stand out with us. I do feel a good deal of truth in this quote, but it is a sliding scale, not pick one and only one. Maybe analytics pins it down.

A former HC might be more help. I am troubled by the suggestion that Hue gets to decide if an OC would help or if it is a needed position at all; also, he picks, and maybe it is just for appearances. He is quite a proven weak link which needs to achieve to improve. Humble up, and we get better, I hope. But, truth be told, I am done with "Trust me" and his judgment. Fix at least part of yourself first. I do not trust his judgment until he proves I can again.

I am afraid you are going to be proven correct. Interesting that this issue is the first public issue where Hue & Dorsey get to work together. If the new OC is a guy who could step in as HC vs if the new OC is a figurehead.

"Great players make great coaches."

Brian Billick says football isn't so much about X's and O's as it is Peters and Joe's

I like that saying as well.

Not liking Billick at all. But it still is like a question posed by the poet William Butler Yeats: "How can we separate the dancer from the dance?" They remain different and distinct, but one so defines the other, so they remain apart together. I still think they are entwined. But quite an insight, Always. Well done.

I have heard this one uttered in college football for a long, long time:

“It’s not the X’s and O’s, it’s the Jimmys and Joes.”

In some cases this is true. Brian Billick would know about these cases.

Bum Phillips on the Bear:

Bryant can take his'n and beat your'n, and then he can turn around and take your'n and beat his'n..

Talent matters no doubt.
But make no mistake, especially in football coaching matters.
Xs and Os matter, especially in a league designed for parity.

They should be. Hue has lost some of his power as coach. I don't think he would have made as many changes unless he was told to do so.

If I was GM, I wouldn't let him hire anybody without approval.


That's what a lucky 1-31 does. Hue is interviewing guys who are at least as good as him who had better records. If I was McAdoo or Mularky, I wouldn't want Hue asking me a whole lot of questions about my qualifications. I'd end the interview and start questioning him about his.


Between the two, I like Mularky.

And you wouldn't get the job.

Still part of me holds out small hope that you can replace those OC letters with HC letters.

I'll hope right up until training camp.