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You think the play calling was good when we didn't even try to run the football with the youngest starting rookie QB in the league? Hue had him throw the ball 47 times one game. I like Hue an have been a supporter since he was hired. I WANT him to succeed. But the play calling HAS to change. We MUST run the damned football more. Now Hue had promised he was going to do that during last years offseason. Instead, he starts a rookie QB, youngest in the league, and he runs the ball less than the year before. That is not great play calling. It sure as hell didn't do Kizer any favors. I haven't given up on Kizer either. Laying all the blame on him is unfair. Hue needs to hire an OC and concentrate on running the team. Be a head coach and let the OC be the OC. Hopefully, he will hire one that wants to run the football. I too am glad we didn't fire Hue. But things have to change. That starts with hiring an OC and with Hue allowing that OC to do his job.

j/c

I have taken to evaluating Hue as such:

He can be creative and has interesting play designs that can work...he is lacking on knowing when to call such plays and understanding that his talent doesn't match his creativity. He did NOT do much to help Kizer on Sundays.

Unfortunately, the more I read about Williams, the more I think he fits the above-description as well.

Anyone know how much play action we ran? I was re-watching the condensed version of the Jags-Steelers game and it seemed that every pass was after play action the first series. It seemed to give Bortles bigger windows to throw into, and selling the fake makes locking on a receiver less likely to be read from the snap. I'd like to see us run it more from under center. The Jags could be the model for us to follow.

I'll see if I can track down the % of play action from each OC candidate.

lol, that's exactly what I thought when I read that one.


Better to hold your tongue, do your interview and respect the chain of command.

Ego will usually get in the way

No one in their right mind would say such a thing in an interview. It was just peen taking yet another cheap shot at Hue.

As much as I don't want Hue to have another season "whispering up" our young players, I also don't want to see the carnival of ugliness created by firing him, given that Haslam and Dorsey publicly stated he's our HC going into next year. (Unless of course they already have a "can't miss" great candidate lined up and ready to sign).

You mean on this site?

And my point in that comment is I would end the interview. I wouldn't want the job to be Hue's clipboard holder.

Then you would decline the interview.

You know the situation going in. You are unemployed, and want one of only a few jobs available in the NFL.

My "guess" is they'll work out the play calling issue. I think the OC will end up doing it, if for no other reason than the optics of not doing it. The reality is Hue needs to be more big picture guy, he's failing at doing both.

Hue should be either or. He doesn't seem to do well with both. That might change but it appears to be an overload.

Oh....I know, I just get frustrated over this whole deal.

I just can't imaging hiring some to be the OC, then not let him call plays. Sorry, to me that is just a assistant to the head coach.

I think Hue needs to give up being a coordinator and start being a head coach. I think it could serve him well.

An OC is more then just a playcaller.

No kidding?

Cool, so you recognize that an OC is more then just a playcaller.....then you'll be good with it if Hue hires an OC and continues to call plays then right?

I'd be fine with that under one stipulation... The moment Hue is asked about a key point in the game and says "I'll have to go back and watch..." Security should be escorting him out of Berea, without his office keys and his parking pass torn up before he says "the tape". He can keep whatever swag he's wearing and a sample from whoever is sponsoring the press conference.

But I'm tired of hearing answers that he doesn't know what was going on from the guy who is supposed to know more than anybody.

I don't expect him to have an immediate answer for everything, but he falls back on that way too much.

Not sure how your post relates to the OC/playcaller post you responded to....but as long as a HC isn't throwing players under the bus I don't care about what they say to the media. Just win games.

Maybe I'm expecting too much from a playcaller, but I don't think it's too much to ask that the guy calling plays should have a better recollection of the job he literally just performed.

I don't believe for an instant Hue is dumb. But the repeated check the tapes nonsense makes him appear either disengaged (which I don't believe is the case) or as someone whos attention is divided because he's handling too much at once.

It doesn't matter who is calling the plays if you give him an interception machine who panics in the redzone as well as worst QB in the league to work with there's just not much he can do.

Every coach says that, especially right after a game. First glance (or memory) doesn't always tell the whole story.

Sure it matters. And there are things you can do like, say, don't ask said INT machine to throw the ball 66% of your called plays against the top passing defenses?

Or maybe when you've watched enough tape to know what your QB can't handle, taylor the game plans to what he can handle? Maybe give your QB an opportunity to have consistent success so that he's more confident in what he's doing when he gets to the red zone?

And, I don't know, when you have a running game that is at worst solid, provide a game plan where your QB doesnt have to do it all by himself?

He did this last year with Kessler. I get and agree to a point with the approach of "This is what i want to run, you need to learn to execute it" but at some point he has to recognize if he doesn't have anyone who can do that. And if he doesn't, then he needs to change the approach to benefit the guys he has until he gets the guys he needs.

I don't know Ed. Hue isn't satisfied with gaining 4 yards a play. I don't know why. He just doesn't run the ball, and last year with a rook QB in over his head, Hue kept calling deep balls.


Come on man, you can't defend that. People keep talking about a stacked box, but Crow averaged 4.1 per carry, Duke 4.2, yet he still had Kizer chucking it 35 times a game, mostly to be picked or thrown in the ground. The way he handled Kizer this year tells me the guy doesn't know a darn thing about QB's. He didn't help his QB at all.


That is my problem with Hue as a play caller.

Why draft Barkley if Hue isn't going to ride him 25 times a game?


The guy can't do it. It's not "flashy enough play calling" to keep running the ball.

Hue could have won 4 games minimum had he run the ball.

And probably another 4 games minimum had not interceptions been thrown at inopportune times.

And probably another 4 games minimum had not the defense not fallen apart at the end of some games.

There, a 12-4 season just like that.

Sorry, it doesn't quite work that way.

Abandoning the run doesn't lose games anymore?

Not if you abandon it quick enough. Then you can blame the struggling rookie because all you've done is throw the ball


Ooooooooh wait a sec! Deputy! Maybe Hue's approach to the run game is the same as his justification for not having an OC?

The offense was going to be crap, so he wasn't going to bother bringing in an OC. The offense was going to be crap so he wasn't going to bother running the ball either.

I've never hired an NFL coach, but I don't think nihilism is a good trait for one to have. But that's just me.

His mission, from the word go,(from the front office)was to find out whether or not Kizer could cut it as an NFL QB, or not. That way (this year) we know whether or not to spend a high draft pick on another QB, or whether Kizer showed enough promise to be the guy going forward.

I agree that we should have run the ball more, but Kizer wasn't that far off from throwing about the league average in passes. We didn't run enough plays, because we didn't sustain drives. No small part of that was the 28 INT thrown by our QBs. We also had 25 fumbles, with 13 of those being lost. That's a total of 41 turnovers. That's not a winning number.

Our defense didn't help. They did force a staggering 21 fumbles, but recovered only 6. (according to CBS Sports)We intercepted the ball only 7 times.

So, we turned the ball over 41 times, and we forced only 13 turnovers. That, right there, is is probably the biggest reason why we lost every stinking game.

Wow, I hadn't realized we had forced that many fumbles.

Clearly the turnovers are killers. But i think the contention of some including myself is that there are things that could have been done via coaching to help mitigate some of that.

Btw, It's good to see you posting again. I enjoy your posts and always hated how you were treated by some for simply giving your POV on things.

Kizer should have been WELL UNDER THE LEAGUE AVERAGE IN PASS ATTEMPTS ...

WELL UNDER

In case your wondering why ...

- youngest qb in the league ...
- EVERYONE said he was NOT READY FOR THE NFL ...
- he recieved MINIMAL REPS in TC and Pre-season due to the QB “battle” ...
- young/inexperienced recieving corps ...

So u take your rookie QB thats NOT NFL READY according to EVERYONE ... give him minimal reps in pre-season and TC with a YOUNG/INEXPERIENCED recieving corps and u have him chucking it as much as Brady/Ben/Rivers/Goff and Wentz ...

BRILLIANT!!!!

That STAT is just a BS ass excuse ... Its a NEGATIVE not a POSITIVE if you’d bother to look at the WHOLE PICTURE OBJECTIVELY ...

That STAT makes no sense for an NFL rookie that EVERYONE said wasn’t even close to ready ...

Sorry bro ... that don’t help your case at all ...

Folks blaming Hue for Kizer’s problems are DEAD NUTS WRONG ... saying Hue helped him is also DEAD NUTS WRONG ...

Kizer’s play was not hue’s fault .. but Hue certainly DIDN’T HELP HIM WITH HIS PLAY CALLING ...

Its OK to admit .... really it is .... when u defend that, u sound no better than the folks blaming Hue ... NO BETTER ...

my biggest question this:

When our new OC comes to town. will he be bringing in his own playbook?

Or will he be forced to run with Hue's playbook?

IF the OC is bringing his own book. would that not mean learning a new system and verbage?

I don't think anyone has actually said Hue helped Kiser oddly enough lol. It seems to fall in to two categories: 1) Hue DIDN'T help Kizer and
2) Kizer simply sucks

You are right, it doesn't work like that. I am surprised you even said something that ignorant.



I'll just take it as a moment....I have them too.



We didn't run the ball with a rookie QB who needed help and support from his coach.

http://nflsavant.com/teamCompare.php

Do you realize which posters you are aligning yourself with? And do you realize who you are disagreeing with?

You think about that for a minute.

You must agree with the party line, comrade!

Typing Keyboard Exercise - Now is he time for all good men to come to the aid of the party...

We had to find out if Kizer could be that special guy who could be a quality starter, or not.

We suspected that we would have a high pick this year, and with the extra picks we have, that we could maneuver the draft to try to get the best QB, if Kizer wasn't the guy. He wasn't. Yes, they threw a lot at him. I think that was by design, to see if he could learn and grow .... or not.

I'm not saying it was what was best for Kizer as a 2 or 3 year, long term developmental guy .... but that was never was he was, or even could be. He was living on a 1 year "prove it" deal .... because otherwise, this draft was going to supply out franchise guy. Now it's possible that we might grab a veteran and/or draft a QB high. Kizer might still have a chance, but that window is *almost* completely slammed shut.

Good post.

There was no doubt that the FO, ownership, and coaching staff knew we were going to lose a ton of games the first two years. The FO and ownership even told us that.

So, we draft Kizer and Sashi cuts Brock so Kize can start. And some of these geniuses think that we should have protected him in a throwaway year? LOL

This year was about evaluating players. I think we got a very good evaluation on Kizer. He has enough potential to stick around and compete, but it is a given that we upgrade the qb position in either the draft, free agency, or via a trade.

If this is true why fire Sashi?

The plan seemed to be get that franchise QB this draft.

I didn't want Sashi fired. I even had in my sig that we shouldn't fire anyone before 3 full years.

But, when Sashi was either incompetent or insubordinate and it was reported that he wasn't even on speaking terms w/Hue........it was apparent someone had to go.

Now, to be fair, some of you think that Hue should have been the one fired. Some of us think that it had to be Sashi. The unfortunate thing is that the two didn't get along.

And it played out as I thought it would. There was just too much losing. It was a dumb plan in that regard. The blame game starts. Fingers are pointed. This is not baseball or basketball where there so many games played and you win some by default.

I think we made the right decision between Sashi and Hue because Hue is well-respected in the league. He has a good rapport w/his players. We brought in some highly regarded guys in Dorsey, Hightower, and Wolf to replace Sashi. This year's coaching candidates suck butt, other than McDaniels. Sashi hasn't even sniffed an interview and he probably never will.

We made the right choice in my opinion.

I don't agree but thank you for the response.

Sure it does Dep. But so does the other things I mentioned.