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I'm not a Doctor or a Lawyer but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

J/C

What does his weight have anything to do with anything BTW?

Does it change the election? Or is it a way to try to make yourselves feel better about yourselves because you are filled with hate and jealousy? I tend to believe the latter.

It has everything to do with everything!

Wake up Man!

No Collusion, No Russian Spy, No Hitler, No Insanity!!!

The Left has embarrassed themselves for over a year now and all they got left is TRUMP BE FAT!!!

Obviously you fail to recognize the difference between a cognitive teat and a psychological evaluation. You also fail to recognize that there has been no findings of whether there was collusion or not.

You see, I don't claim he's crazy or he colluded. But I'm smart enough to understand that in order to claim someone has no mental issues you must conduct a psychological evaluation to determine that. I also realize nobody knows the outcome of an investigation in the middle of it.

But you just troll on with your fake news.

My guess is Jeffery Dahmer and my 6 year old nephew could both pass that simple test trump was given. Neither would be fit for office. Just saying.

Now even the Nurse has become a DawgHouse Doctor.

Nope just making a point.

On one hand, you have a point.

On the other hand, you don't.

We've been told on here, and to an extent in the main stream media, that Trump is "in the throes of dementia". A cognitive test such as the one he took (unless someone is going to come here and say the Dr. lied about that as well), IS an acceptable way to test for that issue.

Nope, Trump didn't undergo a psychological evaluation.

He underwent a yearly physical. And he, according to the dr., wanted that cognitive test done. Unless the dr., the same Dr. that did physicals for Obama, lied about that, as well.


But, oh my God!!! " Trump is overweight!!! No, he's not overweight, he's OBESE!!! The doctor lied. Oh, he's dumb, too!"

Now some attempt to body shame the president?

"Oh, his hair is fake" "Oh, he's not worth what he says" "mail order bride" "his dementia is going to get us in a nuclear war", "he's orange"......it just goes on and on.

This whole thing is pathetic from the self proclaimed "open, accepting" liberals.

You, as a medical professional, understand what the test is/was designed for, correct?

I'm just not sure why you addressed that to me?

I simply pointed out the difference in the two tests. I pointed out that throughout his life he was listed at one height, and now suddenly, at age 71 growing an inch defies medical logic. Both points are true.

You can sit here and point out what everyone else has posted and the accusations they've made if you like. I however aren't the one who made such accusations.

I'm actually not making any accusations now.

I do understand what you're saying though. Just as we have extreme things posted on the right in this forum, we have extreme things being posted from the left.

Neither side is innocent in this.

Yes we use a similar test for our dementia patients. To scale their cognitive status.

Sorry.

The first five "paragraphs" were to you. (if you can call 1 sentence a 'paragraph') The rest was pretty much just a general reply.

It goes directly to the veracity of anything he says or is said about him.

Dude has straight-up lied about not saying things that are actually on tape, on video, and can be checked in 10 seconds or less by going to YouTube. He's on record for having topped 1,000 lies by Aug 22 of last year.

So when numbers get thrown around, we now have something to work with.

And the numbers don't fit those size 46 pants.
Some of us are actually NOT st00pit.

So, he wears size 46 inch on the waist, pants?

Body shaming?

Show us the girth records!!!
The Long Form

You don't know how much he weighs. It probably actually is 239. Those golf photos are old and even in those, it's not a lock that he's above 239 there.

As Portland noted, muscle weighs more than fat. Another way to say this is that fat is more voluminous than muscle when matched for weight. This is the absurdity of comparing a 71 year old man to hard-training, genetically elite (and possibly steroid using genetically elite at that) athletes in their 20s. And as alluded to earlier, people have differing frames and bone structures and such as well. The grind of football from high school to the pros tends to select for those with big frames.

Now, if you want to say that President Trump would be better off cutting some of the junk food from his diet and maybe getting more exercise in, sure, that is reasonable. If you want to say doing so would set a good example for our kids (childhood obesity has been steadily climbing for years), I could even buy that. If you want to use it as a political crusade to call the President and the highly-respected WH doctor liars, that is unfortunate.

body shaming?

Why yes. Yes I am.

DooD has all the money in the world to spend on personal fitness, and allows himself to spread out like butter on a hot plate.

This isn't some thyroid condition. He looks like that and calls his former aide "Sloppy Steve." He deserves the same language he dishes out to others.

And if you are now going to hold me to higher standards than you apply to your POTUS, then sorry to disappoint. I'm no more or less human than anyone else here on this board.

That was already tried.
Trump supporters took Ms. Obama to task for being a food tyrant, forcing kids to eat 'healthy foods.'

This is something I can see both sides on. On one hand, there are those who say that she only succeeded in making school lunches unpalatable and there was no real improvement in the health of our kids. Swish and I had a discussion about this a while back.

On the other hand, I do give her credit for trying. I think she had a noble goal and best of intentions, and the results were not her fault. Cheap and convenient heavily processed food (often calorically dense, non-satiating, and addictive) is everywhere in society. Couple this with sedentary lifestyle (computer or iPad after desk job or school anyone?) and the results are predictable.

How do you change this, on the macro level? I'm open to ideas.. it is something that I can help people who seek my advice on it and will take the initiative to make improvements, but affecting change at the national level?
If you have any ideas... I'm all ears (eyes I suppose, but you get the idea.)

Now you'll get to meet the libertarian side of me.

I don't think there is any macro solution.
It's called 'personal fitness' because each of us is responsible to and for ourselves.

The moment we try a state-sponsored program of any sort, tyranny will be the first word heard in protest.

For adults, I would tend to agree. Even then there is some leeway, for example lower health insurance premiums for those who keep themselves in excellent shape just makes sense.

For schoolkids, we really could do better. Perhaps that is more serious emphasis on physical education, and serving high-quality food that actually tastes good. This is where you get into a lot of debate about what actually constitutes being healthy where there's a lot of room for disagreement. One thing I can say unequivocally: healthy food can taste great. Sometimes you see these misguided crusades against salt or fat or whatever and it shows a general lack of understanding of the whole topic and how everything fits together (I mention this only because the Obama protocol failed at some of this.)

Sorry.

this is from the atlantic and include the following questions on the the test (30 points total). I would hope the dude with the nuclear codes could figure this one out. it is more like a kindergarten entrance test.

The Montreal Cognitive Assessment is a 10-minute test. It’s one of the commonly used screening exams for dementia. The questions on the test vary in difficulty, but they include:

Six points for knowing the date and where you are.

One point if you can identify what a train and a bicycle have in common, and another for watch and ruler.

Three points for correctly identifying pictures of a lion, camel, and rhinoceros.

Another point if you can repeat the phrase “I only know that John is the one to help today.”

Another point if you can read the following letters: FBACMNAAJKLBAFAKDEAAAJAMOFAAB.

Three points if you can draw a clock that indicates the time “10 past 11.”

Precisely. It is a test to help assess if dementia is present.

It is not a mensa test. It is not an intelligence test. It is not an i.q. test.

It is what it is, and as portland said, they use it where he works. Probably on some people older than trump, probably on some people younger than trump.

Ti is what it is.

No more, no less.

Yet some want to make it more. Just like some want to find something, anything, about his physical.....and all they can come up with is "he's fat"?

Body shaming is so unbecoming. At least it used to be.

I'm one liberal who is happy Trump doesn't have dementia! I know the test was childlike in scope but it is accepted as a commonly used screening device for dementia. Now Trump can't claim dementia as a defense when Mueller comes knocking.

Without dementia in the equation, we now have proof that Trump is just a vile man.

so each are responsible for ourselves but you have what to judge anyone then on their personal health? Wtf do you care or how is any of it your business?

there are those on this board that cannot answer the 10 past 11 question..... Just saying

That was an A/B conversation between Haus and me.
"C" your way out of it, and wait for an invitation next time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/us/politics/trump-physical-heart-health-cholesterol.html


WASHINGTON — Cardiologists not associated with the White House said Wednesday that President Trump’s physical exam revealed serious heart concerns, including very high levels of so-called bad cholesterol, which raises the risk that Mr. Trump could have a heart attack while in office.

Dr. Ronny L. Jackson, a rear admiral and the White House physician, said Tuesday in his report on the president’s medical condition that Mr. Trump was in “excellent” cardiac health despite having an LDL cholesterol level of 143, well above the desired level of 100 or less.

Dr. David Maron, the director of preventive cardiology at Stanford University’s medical school, said Wednesday that it was alarming that the president’s LDL levels remain above 140 even though he is taking 10 milligrams of Crestor, a powerful drug that is used to lower cholesterol levels to well below 100.

Dr. Maron said he would “definitely” be worried about Mr. Trump’s risk for having a heart attack if the president were one of his patients. Asked if Mr. Trump is in perfect health, Dr. Maron offered a blunt reply: “God, no.”


Other cardiologists also disputed Dr. Jackson’s rosy assessment of the president’s heart health. Several said Mr. Trump’s goal should be to get his LDL below 100, or even under 70. He has a real risk of having a heart attack or stroke, especially considering his weight and lack of exercise, they said.
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Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist at the Scripps Research Institute, said that it is impossible to ignore the dangers of the president’s elevated cholesterol levels when providing an overall assessment of Mr. Trump’s health.

“That’s a really high LDL,” Dr. Topol said. “We’re talking about a 70-plus-year-old man who is obese and doesn’t exercise. Just looking at the lab value, you would raise a big red flag.”

He added: “I would never use the words ‘excellent health.’ How you could take these indices and say excellent health? That is completely contradicted.”

During an appearance on Tuesday in the White House briefing room, Dr. Jackson said he would be prescribing a higher dose of Crestor, the brand name for rosuvastatin, to help lower the president’s LDL levels. All of the cardiologists said that would be essential in trying to control Mr. Trump’s risk of a heart attack, though several said they wondered whether Mr. Trump was regularly taking his medicine as prescribed.

Dr. Daniel Rader, the director of the lipid clinic at the University of Pennsylvania’s medical school, said that taking a daily dose of 10 milligrams of Crestor should reduce LDL levels by at least 30 percent, which means that Trump’s LDL started out over 200, a dangerous level.

“One obvious question is, how long has he been on a statin?” Dr. Rader said. “What was his LDL before he started taking it?”

He noted that a man who recently started taking a statin and who had an LDL over 200 for most of his life is at much higher risk than someone whose LDL was normal until recently and who then started taking a statin.





Dr. Jackson said he is also pressing Mr. Trump — who at 6-foot-3 and 239 pounds is just below the official label of obese — to eat better and abandon his largely sedentary life for one that includes exercise.

But on the positive side, Dr. Jackson also said Mr. Trump had no history of smoking or drinking and did not have diabetes. An exercise stress test using a treadmill showed “above average” capacity for his age. An ultrasound of the heart was normal, he said.

“His cardiac health is excellent,” Dr. Jackson said. “He doesn’t smoke, he doesn’t have diabetes — a lot of the traditional risk factors he doesn’t have. And so I think those things, in combination with the excellent cardiac results that we got from the exercise stress test, I think, are very reassuring.”


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Asked whether Mr. Trump has heart disease, Dr. Jackson said he did not. “Technically, he has nonclinical coronary atherosclerosis,” Dr. Jackson told reporters.

Outside doctors — who have not directly examined Mr. Trump — questioned that conclusion, saying that the combination of Mr. Trump’s weight and the cardiac test results raised more concerns than Dr. Jackson’s comments would reflect.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, the chief medical correspondent for CNN, repeatedly expressed concern on Wednesday about test results that showed Mr. Trump’s coronary calcium score had increased to 133, from 34 in 2009. On CNN, Dr. Gupta repeatedly showed a chart suggesting that levels above 100 indicate someone with heart disease.

That helped spark a flurry of activity on Twitter, where people debated whether the president officially had heart disease, based on the lab results released by Dr. Jackson and his comments to reporters.

Dr. Topol and the other cardiologists contacted Wednesday disagreed with Dr. Gupta about the calcium test, which measures the amount of plaque containing calcium in a person’s blood. Higher numbers indicate the development of coronary artery disease, which could lead to dangerous blockages in the heart.





But Dr. Topol said he would not be concerned unless a patient of Mr. Trump’s age came to him with calcium levels of 700 or more.

“That tells you there’s some calcium,” he said. “It doesn’t tell you whether that’s inside or outside the arteries. That doesn’t tell me the risk.”

Dr. Rader and Dr. Maron said Mr. Trump’s calcium score does not mean much. If people take statins their calcium scores go up because statins help plaques heal and leave behind calcium-containing scar tissue.

“I have seen this so many times. I tell people who have been on statins not to have it redone,” Dr. Rader said.

The cardiologists said the president’s weight and diet were a serious problem that probably contributed to his high LDL level and increased his risk for heart problems. Dr. Topol dismissed as irrelevant the debate about whether the president technically met the definition of obese.

“Here the issue is, does he have abdominal obesity?” Dr. Topol said. “I don’t care what his height is. All you have to do is look at his abdomen. Abdominal obesity, that’s the machinery for inflammation for the heart.”

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, stood behind Dr. Jackson’s assessment of the president’s health, noting on Wednesday that he has been a White House physician for 12 years, treating Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama in addition to Mr. Trump.

“He is the only doctor that has weighed in on this matter that has actually examined the president,” Ms. Sanders said. She called Dr. Jackson “the only credible source when it comes to diagnosing any health concerns.”





We support what he said yesterday 100 percent — that he is in excellent health,” she said.

Several former members of Mr. Obama’s White House staff echoed that praise of Dr. Jackson.

David Axelrod, who served as one of Mr. Obama’s top advisers in the White House, said Tuesday on Twitter: “I knew Dr. Ronny Jackson in the White House. In my experience, he was very good guy and straight shooter.”

Even so, the cardiologists said Dr. Jackson understated the president’s risk of having heart trouble. Dr. Maron calculated the president’s risk of having a heart attack or stroke in the next 10 years, based on the high LDL levels and normal blood pressure. The result placed him in the top 25 percent of the population.

“I would call that high,” Dr. Maron said.

"C" the fact you are posting on a public message board, for all to see and reply too.

if you would like to have a A and B convo, there is a private message option - or does common sense elude you that much?

Clem likes having folk over for diner ... that would prolly be his best option .... ...

Let me suggest a course of action for you:
Hold your breath until you get a dinner invitation from me.

I'll do my part if you do yours.
Together, we can make this thing happen.

I'm just disappointed we couldn't make this thread more about Trump's cameo at Wrestlemania 23 with Vince McMahon, Stone Cold, et al. I suppose the fitness talk was alright as well.

Why? Wrestlemania isn't as fake? What?

It's just some good-natured humor. I know that's not allowed in this section.

Stone cold gave him the stunner!!!

Cause Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass!!!

As if humor never happens in this section.

I find it ironic how the term "Fake News" is thrown out by the righties here but you sure love that fake big time wrestling to prove "Donald Obese Twitter" is a stud he man and your hero good guy.

There is some humor that gets tossed around here from time to time but you are one of the types that it is completely lost on. This is why you get so outraged over such trivial things.

Yes, professional wrestling is scripted. I haven't watched it much in probably 20 years. Just bringing it into a meaningful conversation about the President is absurd; that's the whole idea.

I'm glad you realize Donald Twitter is absurd.

We've already had one poster completely lose his mind over the President. I hope you don't become the second.