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Earlier today I said I would go with Alex Smith if we couldn't somehow sign Cousins.

Upon refelection, why not Case Keenum as the bridge to a drafted QB? Smith will cost us a pick and a year later we have to sign him. Case will be 30 when the season starts. Hardly too old for a QB. He could easily fit in to a 4 year window. Even a 8 year window. The guy also seems to be hitting his stride. One can look back at QBs and find many who started hitting their stride at that age.

When I look at the talent around him, our line is as good as the Vikings line.

The Vikings lost Dalvin early on and now go with Murray and McKinnon. Are those guys all that much better than Crow(or a new high draft pick RB) and Duke?

I don't think so

Are Thielen and Diggs all that much better than Gordon and Coleman? Again, I don't think so.

I know some will point to Gordon and have questions, but the fact is that he is here and looking good. I can't predict the future. Coleman is looking good. Football is a tough game, guys get hurt. What are the odds of breaking a hand two years in a row? Any player can get hurt at any time. Not to mention there is little doubt a receiver will be high on the wish list come the draft.

The Vikes have Rudolph at TE. He is no doubt a good solid TE, but he isn't elite, but a top 10 guy. Njoku has flashed enough for me to think he can be as good with another year under the belt.


I also don't think Case is going to get a mega contract. I think we can sign him in the 15 mil a year range.

I think Keenum makes sense. He is good enough to win games with a decent supporting cast. I also think he is humble enough to take a back-up role when Rosen or Jackson, or whoever is ready to take over.


He is better than a standard back-up. He is a pretty decent starting QB.

I go after Case Keenum.

Keenum has been very impressive. He's smart, accurate, athletic enough, and now experienced.

Not sure he'll be available though ... I bet Bridgewater is the one available

Maybe so. I am just saying we shouldn't look past the kid. He's pretty good. Something tells me the Vikes go with Teddy.

if that's the case, then I wouldn't oppose going after Keenum

Depends how the season plays out.

There was a story a couple of weeks back in which a cap analyst said Keenum would command a Glennon-esque contract (3 years, $45M) but if he leads Minnesota on a nice playoff run, that could become franchise QB money at over $18M per season, which could still let them re-sign Bridgewater on a short, cheap deal similar to that which the Browns gave RG3.

Personally, I think Minnesota move to lock Keenum down. It's become his team, and they're rocking with him. Playing at the level he is, I don't think they have much option. Bradford and Bridgewater have too many injury concerns.

If Keenum is available, I can't say I would hate it. A little sceptical of him coming from Minnesota, however - They've got something out of Bridgewater, Bradford and now Keenum himself. Makes me wonder how much the team influences the success we're seeing.

http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/25/sal...ing-free-agent/

It is a heavy D team. I don't think we are that far awy from that if we choose.

Good case, well presented. I agree. Keenum seems to be coming into his own, and I think we could be *competitive* with him under center while grooming whomever. 10 years after Derek Anderson and the 2007 Browns, "competitive" sounds like a frigging oasis in the desert. Might even win 7-8-9 games.

Don't the Vikings basically have to franchise Keenum after the season he has had?

stretching the memory bank here, but it seems like many years ago a qb who had been a journeyman qb his entire career went wild one season. it may have been Rich Gannon and the raiders. he performed way above his historical numbers. but it seems like the following season he returned to his normal performance level.

it seems like Keenan is way outperforming his historical numbers this season. but I would be very careful about expecting him to continue that. It may not happen.

Looking at his stats he had four good years as the Raiders starter.

http://www.nfl.com/player/richgannon/2500754/profile

Gannon was a late bloomer. The way Gruden structured the offense was tailored for him. He took a advantage of Gannon’s strengths. Gruden was a master at making the field wider, and it was impressive to see in person. It was lost on TV.

instead of Rich Gannon, maybe the better comparison would be Derek Anderson lol

Hogan...

Dude, your gifs are on point tonight lol

lol takes a couple of beers, but I settle right in.

I have been watching the Vikings and Keenum looks like Tom Brady out there. Its not like his receivers are gaining this great deal of separation. He has threaded the needle on most plays.

Lets not forget he did the same thing against that Tampa defense a couple years ago in which he was flawless.

Now with all that said. He doesnt have the big arm. I dont know if he would be able to win those january playoff games in Cleveland lol.

He's playing lights out in Minny, not so much with the Rams, I believe he struggled learning the playbook. I wonder if the lights came on or if the system is more friendly.

wondering if it just wasnt the coaching staff in st louis. Look at Goff now.

Yeah, good point. Entirely possible.

I Have to Say Case Keenum Has Changed My Perception of Him This Season ...

There isn't a case. There's not even a 12 pack. Maybe not even a six pack and a ham sandwich.

Why not?

Probably because of Rosen and perhaps Darnold. These types of qbs are not available often. We will almost certainly take one of them.

I think people are forgetting that Sashi is gone. We have a real GM now.

We have "A" GM now...Sashi was not the GM.

Just once every year, in April.

Rosen is the most complete QB prospect since Luck imo. He is the consensus #1 pick and really a no brainer for any competent FO without a QB.

In Peen's defense he suggested using Keenum as a bridge QB until the new guy was ready. In my opinion however, if you get Rosen you start him day one........he isn't Kizer.

We don't even need to use the "ammo" we accumulated to take Rosen or Darnold. Not taking one of them would be a travesty, particularly Rosen who is a mechanical dream.

I clearly said as a bridge to a drafted QB. I don't think Keenum is going to command a huge conract, and the rooks would be on their rookie deal. I don't think the money in paying two would be out of line for the position. Kizer is already in the salary structue, so I don't really count him.

Kessler....he will be released soon enough.

Again, I never implied we don't draft a QB.

Below is my close from my opening post.




I am not sure how people got the impression I didn't want to draft a QB if they actually read my comments??

I wasn't mocking or knocking your opinion, peen. I was just offering my take on why Pit may have said what he did. Rosen will be ready to start day one and we won't need a bridge qb if we pick Rosen in the draft.

The coaches don't even know that until he gets to camp. You can't possibly know how he is going to handle NFL speed until he is exposed to it. I like Rosen. His mechanics are pretty awesome. He's no Luck though. Luck was the most NFL ready QB I've seen in awhile and even with him, I wouldn't assume he was a week one starter until I saw him in camp.

I didn't take it that way. I still would like a vet to help the rook. I don't know that I would want to give up a draft pick for Smith unless it could be done for a 5th rounder.

I wouldn't mind a QB room of Keenum, Rosen, and Kizer. Between the 3 we should have a guy who can take command for the next 4-5 years.

One contract cycle is as far down the road as I will look at this point.

I'm getting the sense we may be disappointed on that front, Vers. It may be more like Mayfield or Allen, a costly vet QB, and Minkah (or Saquon) with the #1 pick. I hope not, and I am clearly speculating, but that is the sense I get the more I read from and about Dorsey.

I wish Dorsey would get Keenum, he's playing out of his mind and we would almost certainly take Rosen or Darnold.

My main reason is that he doesn't seem to fit the bill for what I believe we need. I do agree that we need a veteran QB to go along with a top draft pick at QB.

There are a lot of rules that limit the time coaches can spend with the players and it also limits practice time. That however doesn't apply to the time players work together. Looking at what I believe our roster will be, you'll have a rookie draft pick, Kizer and a veteran.

I want a veteran that has a fairly large resume under their belt. Someone who is old enough to know their career is on the clock. That understand there are only a few good years left for them. I don't see that in Keenum. I disagree with Peen that he's going to be a willing participant in helping mentor young kids to take his job.

So while I would certainly want to sign a veteran who can compete, working with these kids as a mentor is even more important to me as the long range goal. I would be happier with four or five wins next year than eight if it benefits our young rookie QB and Kizer in the long term. To me, this entire process is to answer our QB situation for the next 12-15 years. If, as I perceive this means we lost a couple of less games over the next year or two in order to make that happen, I feel it's a price well worth paying for the long term goal.

Peen and I just see Keenum in a different light. I see him as a younger QB who wants to sign with a team that gives him the possibility as the long term starter. I don't believe that's the path our team wants to go.

I actually believe if we had McCown on our roster this year that Kizer would have been far better off for it.

Rosen is way too fragile for the AFC north. No fragile QBs please!

Case Keenum - QB - Vikings

Vikings coach Mike Zimmer would not commit to re-signing Case Keenum Tuesday at his year-end press conference.

When asked if Keenum deserved to be the team's starter next year, all Zimmer could muster was, "We're going to work through the process." Keenum struggled against the Eagles in Sunday's NFC Championship but was solid throughout the year, finishing second in the league in completion percentage and seventh in quarterback rating. Of course, Keenum had never been a full-time starter before this year and turns 30 next month. Whether it's from the Vikings or another team, Keenum should get a huge raise this offseason after earning just $2 million in 2017.

Source: Andrew Krammer on TwitterJan 23 - 3:01 PM

Would you sign Foles?

As the Vet/Bridge to for Darnold - yes.