DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum A John Dorsey-Alex Smith reunion in Cleveland makes a lot of sense

Yeah, losing a ton. We didn't just lose a ton, we've pretty much lost them all! And we fired the wrong guy.

We shouldn't have fired anyone.

If the boys couldn't play nice together, then someone had to go. A shame, because the Plan was basically still in its infancy...

Totally agree. The infighting and backbiting brought this about. No lesson learned from the Banner/Lombardi bloodshed, I guess. At this point, Hue has used up his political currency. If he doesn't start winning immediately next year, if we go 0-3, 0-4, we'll be looking at an interim HC the rest of the season, IMHO. That didn't have to be the case. Hue poked a hole in his own jugular by starting the pissing match in public. He got what he wanted, but unless he starts winning he'll bleed out on next year's sacrificial alter.

So having the head coach and the guy with final say on ALL PERSONAL matters not talking is a good thing in your world? ...

They couldn’t CO-EXIST ANYMORE .... its that simple ...

I have zero respect for Hue anymore and have no clue if hes going to be a good head coach at this point ... with that said ... and this is how sad things were in c-town .. we fired the right guy ... having a lawyer with final say on personal matters was MORONIC on its best day .. it made no sense ... NONE ...

The fact him and Hue weren’t talking meant SOEMONE HAD TO GO ... thats a NO-BRAINER!!!

If you're the Jaguars, don't you give up your first round pick for Alex Smith?

I wouldn't .. I think Bortles may not be the best .. but he sure is better than what most teams have. from 3 - 13 to the AFC Championship game in 1 year is a darn good job.

Bortles can really hurt you with his legs .. Jag's OC forgets about that the hole second half .. Would have run the RO to death ..

I would if I were them. But Bortles did pretty well in the playoffs. Maybe they think they can roll with him or fear a fan backlash if they don't.

Denver is also a spot that it may be worth it.

Heck even Minn might decide that Alex Smith is better than paying Case Kenum $25 mil a year.

I don't see them paying Bortles $15 million (that's his contract for next year).

It's probably about $10 mil cheaper than they'll pay Smith though unless they want a one year rental.

Right, but can they rely on Bortles to be consistent?

I wouldn't, but they might think that they can if they keep the scheme the same. They are tight in cap space and that $10 mil makes a big difference.

Bortles cap number in 2018 is $19 million (none of it is guaranteed). They can just cut him and be $36,239,446 under the cap. Chris Ivory has a $6M+ cap number and no guaranteed money, cut him and it's $43,162,546. Allen Hurns is $7M+, $50,162,546.

https://overthecap.com/calculator/jacksonville-jaguars/

But they also have to sign replacements at WR and other positions and drafted players and if Alex Smith takes away $25 mil of that $36 mil...

Again, I would do it, but I could also see them not do it.

They could just keep that #1 and draft a player like Mason Rudolph with the pick.

There built to win TODAY ... they’d be MORONS not to bring in an experienced vet ...

THEIR FUTURE IS NOW!!!!!

I would do it too, but they were one game away with the QB that they have and they are losing Paul Posluszny, Marqise Lee, and Allen Robinson. Paying Alex Smith $25 mil and letting those guys go may put them farther away from the Super Bowl instead of closer.

A one year rental isn't an option either because this team is young enough to contend for a while if they keep the core in place.

Wow... to think there are teams who are seriously debating whether or not to keep QB's and coaches who got them in to the playoffs.

#firstworldproblems

And the rest of us are just trying to win a game.

HOGWASH!!!!!

They didn’t have Robinson this year .... they had Kole step up when Lee went down ... Hurns was hurt most of the year ....

Why would Smith cost them 25 million? ... is that his salary plus part of a pro-rated signing bonus for Bortles? ....

They can pay Robinson, Puz and still afford Smith ... they won’t miss Lee at all ....

U do realize there very may be other guys they can cut to save cap space don’t u ... theres also this thing called RE-STRUCTURING ....

This team is a QB away from WINNING NOW ... those windows don’t stay open for that long in this league unless your NE ...

You have always hated Bortles and you are relentless when you make your mind up, but the guy played well against the Steelers and Pats.

Most who studied him in college knew he needed time, but he was thrust into the starting role way before he was ready. He still hast a ton of upside.

I don't trust your observations on many things. For example, you were carrying on last year about what a disaster the Coughlin hire would be for Jax and how Hue would "worm" his way out of hiring an OC.

You make crap up and speak about it like it is factual.

Yep, we were talking about guys they could cut to begin with. I think they have to sign Poz and one of those WR's though and those cuts will need to pay for two big salaries besides the QB.

Alex Smith gets $25 mil a year because he doesn't have to sign a long term agreement with any team that trades for him and his agent is going to get offers in that range from other teams.

Again, I would do it if I were Jacksonville, but I could see where they would have doubts. If they sign Smith long term and for any reason he doesn't fit or they can't pay their other big names, that young roster keeps getting older as they attempt to fix things without any cap room.

I think Jax should stick w/Bortles and draft a developmental qb just in case.

I agree, unless they can get Cousins. He is young enough to contend for several years while their team is young.

I don't hate Bortles, but the guy isn't good. He's not Kizer bad, but with this offseason shaping up like it is, they can make a huge improvement at the position.

Bortles was a carefully managed piece of the offense. He made some decent throws, I'll give him credit for that, but that offense clicked because of Fournette.

Bortles is much better that people give him credit for....

He's problem was Jeff Fisher the anti QB coach.

Jeff Fisher?

Jeff Fisher coached the Rams.

Yea but his influence is widespread

I do get the part about Bortles not being ready when he was drafted, needing to sit but not being sat. I get that.

But how long is long enough? How long has it been now (just looked, drafted in 2014)? There's a difference between patience and stubbornness, and it's my opinion that that line has already been crossed with Bortles.

Bortles stunk it up in the pre-season. Then, somehow, he turned it around once the season started.

This is the guy who says that Hue is dumb and doesn't get football.

He had his moments .... both good and bad ... way to much bad ...

He’s not good at all ...

I’ll be STUNNED if they don’t have a new QB next year .... VERY STUNNED ....

If I’m Kirk Cousins ... my agents first call would be to them ... there ready NOW ...

Are you kidding me? He got them that far and his last game was fine. Are you blind or something?

Turned what around? He was horrible most of the season and had a few hot streaks.

He started out worse than the year before. There was talk of not naming him the starter during the pre-season. Then, somehow he began playing much better. I know he's not very good and that his defense carries that team, still, if he played this season the way he played the season before or the way he was playing this preseason that team doesn't even smell the playoffs.

Sorry my bad

My choices for Browns QB for 2018 and beyond are
1)Alex Smith - Smith is very experienced and still in his prime. He doesn't turn the ball over. Very accurate. Can make plays with his legs. He would be the Browns best QB since Kosar. Would be a great guy for Kiser to learn from.

1a) Cousins - He is younger than Smith and has become an over achiever in his career. Cousins is a gamer and will take a few more chances than Smith. Cousins would be our best QB since Kosar. He is in his prime and could be a good mentor for Kiser.

Both Cousins and Smith have the talent and experience to lead the Browns out of the basement of the NFL and to the playoffs if play makers are added from free agency and the draft. Either of these 2 would let the Browns focuss on the best player available in the draft who could help us win now, which is very important. I don't want to wait on a rookie QB to develop while the losing continues. As we have seen rookie QBs are hit and miss. Mostly miss.