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The Dorsey hire might be what turns this around. A legitimate talent evaluator. I'm excited.!!
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Jesus, eotab. I thought you were going on vacation! I did not mean to be so dismissive when I posted last night (did I have much wine, maybe?)
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As I have said this is the best I have felt about the Browns in a long long time.
Dorsey and his group, meaning all those involved in the evaluation of players are all solid professionals.
The coaching staff; all these guys have the reputation within league circles as coaches who help players get better.
The experience level is outstanding.
Now begins the process of acquiring talent.
I am confident it will happen.
When OTA's begin this will be a different team. And for once I will be excited for the season to begin.
This is really really wierd ... we really don’t have a thing to complain about top to bottom on the field and in the FO ... the biggest ? Mark is Hue as a HC ... first time he’s ever been just a HC ... lets hope he is a good one .....  He’s definetly given himself a chance to succeed ... hiring Haley was huge ... u try and surround yourself with the best people possible ... this staff has excellent credentials .... it could turn out to be one of the best in the league .... lord only knows were due for some GOOD THINGS TO HAPPEN and right now it looks like all the stars are aligned .... Our FO has a ton of experience ... its by far the best we’ve had here ... not that the bars real high on that one .... they are LOADED with DRAFT PICKS and CAP SPACE .... Are u kidding me ... we have the 1 and 4 pick ... and there’s at least 2 QB’s worthy of the #1 and possibly 3 ... then same thing in rnd 2 with another 2nd round pick later in what is suppose to be a very deep draft ... it is expected to be a very deep draft isn’t it? ..... TABBER GET YOUR ASS BACK SOON ... we may FINALLY agree on our future .... that’ll be nice for a change and ive been looking forward to it for a long long long long long long time ... 
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I think we have a solid front office. We have the first overall pick in a solid QB draft. Are there any can't miss prospects? There never really are. Unlike last year when I didn't see any QB's that were clearly a better choice than the BPA (Garrett), this year I see at least 2 guys who are likely to be good with elite potential, another 2-3 who could be good with elite potential, and another 3-4 with draft and develop potential. It's a good QB year, and a good year to have the #1 overall pick while needing a QB.
While it's fun playing the "what if" game regarding Cousins and Smith, the reality is that neither is likely to end up on our roster. What seems much more likely is that we will sign a veteran who, while clearly flawed, is still better than anyone currently on our roster. (I still have hope for Kizer, but he is clearly not ready.) We will then use the #1 overall pick to take whichever of this year's QB class the FO deems mostly likely to be great. I also think they may use a later round pick to take a draft and develop guy. With as many picks as we have, I think it would be a smart play.
So this is how I see the Browns entering the 2018 season at QB. The starter will be a journeyman vet holding the position while our #1 overall draft pick watches and learns. How long that will be is an open question. The third QB will either be Kizer or a mid-round pick.
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I have no idea if you are right or not, but you do a great job of making a logical argument w/out all the BS!
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Tab, stay as positive about this as you do about the Browns, and you will be fine. All the best, tabber, take care
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I think we have a solid front office. We have the first overall pick in a solid QB draft. Are there any can't miss prospects? There never really are. Unlike last year when I didn't see any QB's that were clearly a better choice than the BPA (Garrett), this year I see at least 2 guys who are likely to be good with elite potential, another 2-3 who could be good with elite potential, and another 3-4 with draft and develop potential. It's a good QB year, and a good year to have the #1 overall pick while needing a QB.
While it's fun playing the "what if" game regarding Cousins and Smith, the reality is that neither is likely to end up on our roster. What seems much more likely is that we will sign a veteran who, while clearly flawed, is still better than anyone currently on our roster. (I still have hope for Kizer, but he is clearly not ready.) We will then use the #1 overall pick to take whichever of this year's QB class the FO deems mostly likely to be great. I also think they may use a later round pick to take a draft and develop guy. With as many picks as we have, I think it would be a smart play.
So this is how I see the Browns entering the 2018 season at QB. The starter will be a journeyman vet holding the position while our #1 overall draft pick watches and learns. How long that will be is an open question. The third QB will either be Kizer or a mid-round pick. I agree with your take. I think it would be a huge mistake given this crop of QB's to not pick the QB deemed by the FO and coaches as the best of the bunch. More than likely Rosen or Darnold. However, I do feel for Hue. If and I hope this is not the case. If expectations are that Hue must win next year for him a free agent QB like Cousins would be the best scenario.
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If expectations are that Hue must win next year for him a free agent QB like Cousins would be the best scenario. Realistically, the only scenario...
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If expectations are that Hue must win next year for him a free agent QB like Cousins would be the best scenario. Realistically, the only scenario... that or a trade for Smith.. but yes, Cousins would be the optimal choice because it would not cost us a draft pick.
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It's weird to me that somehow an average quarterback is supposed to come in and be our or "Hue's" savior.
Honestly, I don't understand the "we must get Cousins and if we do we won't be drafting a quarterback in the first round" angle but I admit it's probably possible.
I hope our front office is smart enough to realize that's not how you build a winning franchise. And poor Joe Thomas, we've never had anything remotely close to a Cousins, and he's that desperate he's willing to play with just an average quarterback.
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And poor Joe Thomas, we've never had anything remotely close to a Cousins, and he's that desperate he's willing to play with just an average quarterback. Yeah, Kirk probably looks like a tall glass of cold water after rummaging through the desert's sun and heat for four weeks compared to the QBs we've seen behind center. I believe the franchise, as a whole, is pretty desperate now.
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Cousins has been a top 10 quarterback for several years now. His overall record has been disappointing but he has been well above average for multiple years in a row now.
I'd still rather draft quarterback number one but if we sign Cousins and then use the first two picks on Barkley and Fitzpatrick I think that's by far the fastest route to improve.
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j/c: I think some might be underrating Cousins. This is from an article about Cousins: Since becoming Washington’s starting quarterback in 2015, Cousins has completed 1,034 of 1,525 attempts (67.8 percent) for 12,121 yards, 73 touchdowns and 29 interceptions. His passer rating of 99.7 over that span ranks fifth among 22 quarterbacks with at least 1,000 pass attempts. Only two future Hall of Famers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees, and the 2016 MVP, Matt Ryan, have a higher total passer rating since 2015. I would suggest clicking on the link and reading the full article. I didn't post it all because there are neat graphs and other visual aides. Anyway, here is the link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fanc...m=.7f53d50b74d7
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Vers, would you sign him instead of drafting a first round QB?
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If I sign Cousins I'm moving out of #1.
I'm getting that team's 1st this year, 2nd round this year and 1st next year.
Fitz at #4
Package (2) 2nds for another 1st...
We end up with three 1st round picks including Fitz, probably a raw QB and another impact player. We still have three 2nd round picks and amunition for 2019. Great way to add a lot of talent and still have options in 2019.
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Still pushing an agenda, I see...
Sign a 29 yr old Kirk Cousins or a 33 yr old Alex Smith and either would be the best QB Joe Thomas has played with since being drafted.
I would love to see that happen for Joe T.
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Vers, would you sign him instead of drafting a first round QB? Good question. I've been going back and forth on this in my mind and I really don't know what we should do. I think it would be good for the Browns to have some stability at the position and I think it's important that we start winning some games. We could also use 1 and 4 to acquire more impact players. However, if we pass on [insert your qb of choice here] in the draft and that guy goes on to be a superstar.....Oh boy! I only posted that article for informational purposes because I think some are painting a false picture of Cousins' abilities. I didn't post it because I want the Browns to sign him and pass on a qb at #1. I am not trying to dodge your question, Cal. I just don't know what the team should do. What do you think the Browns should do?
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I think Zac Jackson said on 92.3 last week or maybe the week before that if the Browns get Cousins, they will be trading the #1 pick for sure. I, personally, would like to see that happen. Cousins has been underrated and has performed really well in the NFL so far.
I am intrigued by prospects like Mike White from WKU and the Lauletta QB that won the Senior Bowl MVP from Richmond. There might be a quality QB prospect outside of the first round and also Kizer is still on the roster.
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You didn't ask ,me, but I acquire the best veteran QB I can, preferably for a couple of years. I then draft the best QB at #1. If the veteran keeps the rookie nailed to the bench for a few years; great! If the rookie makes it impossible for the Browns to not play him; great! Maybe we wind up with real live depth at the most important position. Too much talent is better than not enough.
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Vers, would you sign him instead of drafting a first round QB? Good question. I've been going back and forth on this in my mind and I really don't know what we should do. I think it would be good for the Browns to have some stability at the position and I think it's important that we start winning some games. We could also use 1 and 4 to acquire more impact players. However, if we pass on [insert your qb of choice here] in the draft and that guy goes on to be a superstar.....Oh boy! I only posted that article for informational purposes because I think some are painting a false picture of Cousins' abilities. I didn't post it because I want the Browns to sign him and pass on a qb at #1. I am not trying to dodge your question, Cal. I just don't know what the team should do. What do you think the Browns should do? I'm with you, I don't really know. My personal preference would be to take a (the) QB at #1, but I'm not sure that would be the right thing to do, just the thing I want to happen.
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You didn't ask ,me, but I acquire the best veteran QB I can, preferably for a couple of years. I then draft the best QB at #1. If the veteran keeps the rookie nailed to the bench for a few years; great! If the rookie makes it impossible for the Browns to not play him; great! Maybe we wind up with real live depth at the most important position. Too much talent is better than not enough. I understand and appreciate this approach, I'm just uncertain whether the reality would allow it. If you're going to hang $25-30M/year on a QB, you probably want the draft picks to add weapons and starters. I don't think you take a guy #1 or #4 to let him sit for four years, then possibly lose him to FA after that.
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You didn't ask ,me, but I acquire the best veteran QB I can, preferably for a couple of years. I then draft the best QB at #1. If the veteran keeps the rookie nailed to the bench for a few years; great! If the rookie makes it impossible for the Browns to not play him; great! Maybe we wind up with real live depth at the most important position. Too much talent is better than not enough. I understand and appreciate this approach, I'm just uncertain whether the reality would allow it. If you're going to hang $25-30M/year on a QB, you probably want the draft picks to add weapons and starters. I don't think you take a guy #1 or #4 to let him sit for four years, then possibly lose him to FA after that. Not to mention that the number one pick doesn't make zero dollars.
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Still pushing an agenda, I see...
Sign a 29 yr old Kirk Cousins or a 33 yr old Alex Smith and either would be the best QB Joe Thomas has played with since being drafted.
I would love to see that happen for Joe T.
No agenda... I'm starting to think those who are accusing others of having an agenda are the ones who actually do. Some posters are out of control with the accusations.
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You didn't ask ,me, but I acquire the best veteran QB I can, preferably for a couple of years. I then draft the best QB at #1. If the veteran keeps the rookie nailed to the bench for a few years; great! If the rookie makes it impossible for the Browns to not play him; great! Maybe we wind up with real live depth at the most important position. Too much talent is better than not enough. I understand and appreciate this approach, I'm just uncertain whether the reality would allow it. If you're going to hang $25-30M/year on a QB, you probably want the draft picks to add weapons and starters. I don't think you take a guy #1 or #4 to let him sit for four years, then possibly lose him to FA after that. Not to mention that the number one pick doesn't make zero dollars. We are not anywhere near needing to be overly concerned about money. We could give Cousins $35 million this year, and still have the 2nd or 3rd most cap space in the league. (or so I have read) A 1st pick QB will make nothing approaching that. Any huge deal can be drafted with certain team and player safeguards in place. Say we sign a guy like Cousins to a 5 year, $200 million deal. The deal could be structured with enough guarantees to lure him, and enough safeguards to make trading/releasing him manageable, down the road, if necessary. We have an enormous amount of cap space. There is no reason not to use a portion of it on the most important position.
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I still say that looking at NFL teams across the league, the vast majority have acquired their franchise QB via the draft. It's simply the most popular and most used method to approach the problem. And that's by a very wide margin.
I'm not opposed to signing Cousins but given the options he'll be afforded, I don't see any way that he chooses the Browns as his destination. Stranger things have happened I suppose.
I simply don't see a team in our position passing the opportunity to select their choice of QB's in a very good QB class when such an opportunity rarely comes along. Sure, you may get the #1 draft pick again, but what will that QB class look like when it happens again?
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The more I think about this the more I'm on the get Smith plus Darnold / Rudolph / Rosen plus a latter round pick on White or Lauletta wagon. I think that QB room would leave us set for the foreseeable. Kizer would also benefit. We haven't had a truly viable option at the most critical position since 99 (bar maybe Garcia). Throw some darts at some talent. Get a guy in who will be the mentor and show them how to win and lead a team. Then let the best one take over.
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I would rather that we overkill the QB position this season. It would be great to say,"Daggummit! WE have just way too much quality talent in that room!" That is the kind of bitching I would like for a change.
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We have an enormous amount of cap space. There is no reason not to use a portion of it on the most important position. We can rolle unused cap space over (I know you know this). That extra $8 million will come in handy when all these guys we have on rookie contracts need to be extended.
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I sign Cousins and don't look back.
That is IMO the way to getting good overnight. We can then trade the #1, gain picks now and in the future and roll.
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I don't remember Chase Daniel.
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I don't remember Chase Daniel. Lucky you.
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You didn't ask ,me, but I acquire the best veteran QB I can, preferably for a couple of years. I then draft the best QB at #1. If the veteran keeps the rookie nailed to the bench for a few years; great! If the rookie makes it impossible for the Browns to not play him; great! Maybe we wind up with real live depth at the most important position. Too much talent is better than not enough. This is how I feel.... I know that could create a lot of qb controversy but we need a talented QB for now and longer term,..of curse cousins could play another 10 years... so maybe if we sign him we do trade down
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I like to think a Chase Daniel and Baker Mayfield duo is quite possible. I threw up in my mouth a little bit. Chase Daniel makes a ton of sense.
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Report: John Dorsey gets a call from Drew Rosenhaus https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...nhaus-114361502Where do negotiations stand with the Browns running back? Cleveland Browns General Manager John Dorsey got a call from agent Drew Rosenhaus, who represents running back Isaiah Crowell, last week at the Reese's Senior Bowl according to a report. It is not exactly a surprising or breaking development. One would expect the Browns are in contact with Crowell's agent leading up to the start of free agency Mar. 14 unless they had already made the decision not to re-sign him. The team needs to address the position this off-season whether that entails re-signing Crowell, signing another free agent or drafting a running back. Cleveland added Crowell as an undrafted free agent in 2014. In 2017, he had more carries than any of his previous three seasons but had fewer touchdowns. The Georgia native accumulated 853 yards and two touchdowns on 206 carries. He also had 28 catches for 182 yards. The Browns have roughly $111 million in salary cap space according to Spotrac. Matthew Dayes, Josh Rounds, Kelvin Taylor, Duke Johnson and Darius Jackson are the other running backs on the roster.
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Hope we draft Saquan...
But I know we won't...
I honestly think Crowell is over-rated, but I guess we don't know for sure.
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