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Are you advocating that we take guys that DON'T want to be here?

I'm advocating that just because a guy wants to be here doesn't mean we necessarily have to draft him...

I love his big arm. Peen, where do you stack him on this list, as compared to say Mike White (feel free to arrange it in the order you please):

Rosen
Darnold
Mayfield
Allen
Jackson
Rudolph
White
Anyone else you care to include

Just got thru looking at his Iowa game and we already have this guy he looks just like Deshone Kizer seriously, no accuracy at all,I pass on him.

They're already trying to write the narrative on Josh Allen. Receivers drop passes because he throws it too hard. . .

This is not going to end well for us.

If they take him.

Mayock making excuses for him was lame. Throw a catchable ball, dont blame his arm being too strong.

I cannot imagine how anyone can watch this guy and think 1st overall.

Yeah he's dead to me. We don't need a QB without touch and consistent accuracy

Without touch? Pffft... that's a totally false narrative. He'll throw it on a rope or toss a perfect teardrop. Touch on his passes is a strong point.

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Please God............say the right think, Josh. Please make Dorsey believe in you.

Please God, let me be wrong for once. LOL

Please don't let this team be the Browns!

Wow, really weird, hadn't seen your post and we are back to back begging God. LOL

I definitely have him ranked in front of mayfeild. Call me a skeptic, but we've seen Frye, McCoy and Manziel roll through here with the same size and bust.

Charlie Frye is 6’4. I dunno how you got “same size” with the others but ok.

It must be because Frye played like he was 6'.

I'm in the "No early pick on Allen" camp. I'm tired of "potential".

Let's just get a veteran QB, keep Kizer and use our top two pics on weapons and playmakers. If we keep inserting Rookie QB's, we are just spinning our wheels.

And yes, I know we passed on Wentz, and Watson and who knows who else who could have worked out for us but there is no way anyone can say that their success elsewhere equates to success here.

Now I do believe that Haley will take whomever is under center and help him be successful. He has already proven that with several teams. So let's just stick with Kizer and pay a vet to come in. Good vet, average vet...at this point who cares. He's probably just a bridge anyway. All the while Kizer gets his seasoning and then he's another Grappolo story.

I like Barkley, and Fitz in the draft. Perhaps a WR like Ridley.

I saw Joe on mike and Mike or whatever it's now called. He was asked what he would do if he was GM of the Browns. He said he would sign Cousins and use the first 2 picks on playmakers...

Barkley and Fitz is who he mentioned.

I think Vers's choice is Josh Rosen, not Allen.

LOL - Kizer turns into Jimmy G. Not happening.

Been watching a decent amount of film on Allen. I get why he's in the top talks.

Him and Darnold are on my radar. I need to study/continue to pay attention to what's being said about both though.

Allen at 230+ pounds is a nice trait though hahahaha.

Allen is growing on me but I don't think you take a 2-3 yr project #1 overall. Allen to me is one who could drop, or you see a team with a QB overdraft him for the future. However I still can't get over his accuracy issues and I would avoid, but man he could be a guy who scores you a lot of 50+ yd TDs. That's very enticing.

My worry is that Hailey will see the size and think he's a Big Ben clone. The accuracy issues really scare me. Big Ben at least completed passes in Miami. Allen really shouldn't be anywhere close to the top 4 picks IMO.

How much input will a coordinator who has no experience with the GM and head coach have on the draft? I hope not that much.

I agree. I am a baseball guy as well. Potential and measurable are great, and in baseball you can project that. Baseball players usually have a greater range to improve strength wise than do football players. Has to do with strength requirements just to be good HS or college players in football. A good HS or college baseball prospect might be able to increase his strength 40-50% and still be able to play the game. A football player usually can't make those strength strides.

Stick to the tape. Fall in love with the tape and scouting reports and don't fall in love with the workouts and measurements.


No doubt you don't ignore the measurements and workouts, but let the tape carry the most weight.

I haven't watched enough of Allen to offer much of an opinion. My early read is that his mechanics are a mess, makes horrible decisions--such as throwing against his body, forces the ball, makes too many dumb ass throws for us to draft w/the 1st pick.

I do think he has the size and arm to develop, but I don't think we can afford to do that. We gotta get some wins.

No tab, I like Josh Rosen. I think he is so far above the other qbs in this draft that it is laughable. I am not knocking any other posters or media members, but it astounds me that all can't see it.

Not much, but I'm sure he will be allowed some sort of opinion. Keep in mind, this is the same team that had a QB coach tell the Owner that Manziel wanted to play here and convinced him to pull the trigger.

Wrong guy.

The only way I could possibly get on board with getting Allen is if he drops (i.e. we can still use our top 2 on playmakers), and we sign a really strong FA QB (Cousins, Smith, or Brees).

My main problem is that you run the risk of missing out on ALL of the QBs by going BPA for the first 2 picks and letting your QB drop to you.

"I like Josh Rosen. I think he is so far above the other qbs in this draft that it is laughable. I am not knocking any other posters or media members, but it astounds me that all can't see it."
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There is a lot to like about Rosen. And I would have no problem with Dorsey selecting him.

At the same time I don't buy any "ready for the NFL arguments". He may be more ready than the others but that doesn't make him ready to play. He like all the others will have a lot to learn.

This is a long term decision. As such the other prospects in this draft will be given serious consideration.

There are legit reasons why guys like Bucky Brooks, Daniel Jeremiah and others have Darnold going number one.

Rosen will no doubt be in the discussion for the number one pick but he will not be alone.

I am tired of projects that play. Losing game after game "so we can see what we have" going forward has been worthless. It never was bad enough to play anyone else. I am mostly a damned sight less curious. A player vet at QB and a rook. Dance with Kizer some more, just don't play him unless needed. I am excited to see Dorsey on this pick. FA first, best rook next, and load the guns. Pass some Buckeyes our way please.

LOL..........that was confusing. Let me try to explain.

Milk posted something about Josh Rosen. I replied to that post and said something like "please Josh, make Dorsey believe in your" or something like that.

Milk then edited his post and said "Wrong Josh" or something like that.

I get why you were confused. Hell, I was confused when I went and re-read my comment, but then I saw Milk's and remembered.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports NFL teams "haven't been scared off" by Wyoming QB Josh Allen's Senior Bowl practices.

Allen made waves for his accuracy at Senior Bowl practices, but had generally positive reviews. "He can still make throws none of the other guys can make," a team executive told the Plain Dealer. "Tremendous arm strength, great size, he can run and he's a tremendous athlete." Allen has some of the best arm talent in this class but NFL-readiness (56.3 career completion-percentage) is a concern, and he's trending to be one of the most debated quarterbacks leading to the draft. Bleacher Report's Matt Miller doesn't expect Allen to fall out of the top-two picks.

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer Jan 26 - 7:14 PM


http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1

I only saw a small sampling of Allen's games this year but I don't see how he could be drafted before the 3rd round based on that tape. He will go higher because of his size and the cannon attached to his right shoulder but I see Hackenberg written all over him.

Just my 2 cents

Reading through all the reports out there, it's amazing how many guys are penciled in as a top 1 or 2 pick. LOL