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This is much worse than Watergate. Shame on the Democrats and shame on the FBI/DOJ.
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It is on Axios if anyone wants to read the actual memo for themselves. I just read it and there isn't a whole lot that already wasn't out there. I am sure the partisan hacks will be out there.
There is the part in the memo that Nunes is stating about the dossier being used in the Fisa applications, but I think that they are forgetting about all the other intel that they had on Page and others, like intercepting conversations between foreign ops and Americans-whether they are political or not.
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Feb 02 2018 STATEMENT BY SASC CHAIRMAN JOHN McCAIN ON PARTISAN ATTACKS ON THE FBI & DOJ U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, released the following statement on partisan attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice: "In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy. Russia employed the same tactics it has used to influence elections around the world, from France and Germany to Ukraine, Montenegro, and beyond. Putin's regime launched cyberattacks and spread disinformation with the goal of sowing chaos and weakening faith in our institutions. And while we have no evidence that these efforts affected the outcome of our election, I fear they succeeded in fueling political discord and dividing us from one another. "The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party's, no president's, only Putin's. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia's ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller's investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation's elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin's job for him." www.mccain.senate.gov
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Oh The Horror!
We do the same to them, and every other country.
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so i just read the memo.
lmfao. let me get this straight, Rosenstein, Trump's own hand picked deputy AG, signed off on one of the warrants?
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
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All well and fine until we find out the heads of Justice in this Country tried to finish the job that Putin started by gaining FISA warrants to spy on an opposition party of American citizens, during an election, by using false information bought and paid for by the other party, using Russian sources.
No Judge would issue a FISA warrant if he knew the need for it was even partly based on this Dossier or Russian sources.
This is neither Dem or Rep, it is America's concern as our Justice department went rogue on Democracy.
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so i just read the memo.
lmfao. let me get this straight, Rosenstein, Trump's own hand picked deputy AG, signed off on one of the warrants?
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
AND? That's all you got from it? Hmmm, having hired and fired countless people over the years I came to the conclusion that I hired the wrong people at times....ooops...so what. Still going strong!
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Except the whole investigation started due to the fake Clinton campaign dossier. An entire investigation costing Americans billions started from a fake dossier.
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so i just read the memo.
lmfao. let me get this straight, Rosenstein, Trump's own hand picked deputy AG, signed off on one of the warrants?
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
AND? That's all you got from it? Hmmm, having hired and fired countless people over the years I came to the conclusion that I hired the wrong people at times....ooops...so what. Still going strong! lol dude just stop. this was a complete waste of everyones time. your boy's OWN hand picked guy signed off on the warrants. a judge signed off on the continued warrants. Sessions, Trump's own hand picked AG, refused to take any action on it. Wray, Trump's own hand picked FBI director, said the memo itself was inaccurate. so "hired wrong people at times"? according to you, he's batting 1.000 for hiring the "wrong" people. most likely? he's ticked off that he hired people who actually are doing their JOBS and NOT protecting his ass. that's what he's mad at. and CLEARLY thats what you're mad at. this memo was overhyped and a complete joke. yall got nothing.
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bro, what the hell? i thought this was about to be like a political nuclear bomb dropping.
what happened? i made popcorn for no damn reason.
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Except the whole investigation started due to the fake Clinton campaign dossier. An entire investigation costing Americans billions started from a fake dossier. Nope, try again. Here's the facts to refute your claim. Link The initial opening lead to nothing from the dossier which has multiple pieces of information in it as corroborated.
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Except the whole investigation started due to the fake Clinton campaign dossier. An entire investigation costing Americans billions started from a fake dossier. Nope, try again. Here's the facts to refute your claim. Link The initial opening lead to nothing from the dossier which has multiple pieces of information in it as corroborated. lmfao
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LMFAO.....talk about cherry picking 
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LMFAO.....talk about cherry picking lol cherry picked what? look at you. you can't even go hard in the paint on this right now. you don't even know what angles to use to even ATTEMPT to make this a big deal. Trump supporters trying to hype up the crowd with no mic, lmfao
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Further reading for context: Overtures by Russian operatives to a junior campaign adviser are what sparked the FBI's counterintelligence investigation into potential ties between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and Russia, according to a secret memo unveiled on Friday.
George Papadopoulos — who has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts — "triggered" the opening of the investigation, it says.
Court documents have described offers Papadopoulos received of "dirt" on Hillary Clinton and "off the record" meetings between him and other campaign aides and Russian leaders.
Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat about these offers on a drunken night out in London, according to The New York Times. The Australian then reported what he had heard through official channels to the United States, and the FBI began to investigate.
The story has been told before, but the secret memo confirms for the first time that the Russia probe began with Papadopoulos and not with other evidence, including the infamous, unverified Steele dossier. The dossier was used later as part of an application for a warrant to conduct surveillance on another Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page, according to the document.
The memo, prepared by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, details findings that it says "raise concerns with the legitimacy and legality of certain [Justice Department] and FBI interactions with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and ... represent a troubling breakdown of legal processes established to protect the American people from abuses related to the FISA process."
The case, in short, is that biased anti-Trump Democrats within federal law enforcement used flimsy evidence that was paid for by ideological fellow travelers to scam a judge into authorizing the surveillance of Page.
Because the DOJ and FBI omitted that the dossier had been financed by Democrats and because Justice Department officials also cited news accounts for which people were involved were responsible — rather than other outside sources — they broke the rules, the memo says.
The memo and the swirling political winds around it have pitted parts of the administration against itself in a bizarre — and very public — fight. The FBI and Justice Department, which are both led by President Trump appointees, have clashed with the White House over its release, warning of factual inaccuracies and potential harm to national security.
But the president and his Republican allies, particularly Nunes, brushed those concerns aside and opted to release the document anyway.
Republicans say the alleged abuses documented in the memo are serious enough that the American public must know. But the White House may have other motivations: The president has told friends that he believes the memo will help undermine special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, sources have told NPR.
And the memo certainly dovetails with what has been a running campaign by the president and his supporters against the FBI and Mueller's team, alleging that they are chock full of Hillary Clinton supporters and political bias.
On Friday morning, Trump took aim at the bureau again.
"The top Leadership and Investigators of the FBI and the Justice Department have politicized the sacred investigative process in favor of Democrats and against Republicans – something which would have been unthinkable just a short time ago," he said on Twitter. "Rank & File are great people!"
Speaking later to reporters at the White House, the president said what's in the memo is "a disgrace" and "a lot of people should be ashamed."
The president's relentless criticism has put Trump's his hand-picked FBI director, Christopher Wray, under enormous pressure. Wray has defended the institution and its 35,000 employees, and so far there's no indication that he is inclined to resign.
The FBI Agents Association put out a statement Thursday backing Wray, saying it stands "shoulder to shoulder" with the director.
Still, there are concerns among current and former FBI officials that the avalanche of political criticism from the right could undermine the bureau's credibility with Americans and inflict lasting damage to its public trust.
The president has also thrown invective at the Justice Department. Much of his ire has been directed at Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who is overseeing the Russia investigation since Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself.
The memo's release brings to a close weeks of speculation over what exactly it says. The broad contours of its allegations have been known, but the specifics remained shrouded in secrecy.
The document was prepared by Nunes, a close Trump ally who served on the president's transition team, and his committee staff. In the runup to the document's release, many House Republicans who read it said it detailed a scandal of epic proportions, describing how the FBI used its powerful surveillance tools to target the Trump campaign for political purposes.
Democrats say the memo is set of misleading Republican talking points that cherry-picks information from classified material provided by the FBI and Justice Department. They say the document is part of a broader GOP push to discredit the FBI and the special counsel's Russia investigation.
House Intelligence Committee Democrats prepared their own memo to counter the Republican document. The same day the committee voted along party lines to release the Republican memo, it voted along party lines not to make public the Democratic memo.
Instead, the committee agreed to allow the full House to view the Democratic document and promised to hold a new vote on it at a later date. Democrats complain that not releasing the memos at the same time allows the Republicans to set the narrative for a week or more before the public will see the Democratic rebuttal.
As the political battle over the memo reached its peak, House Speaker Paul Ryan dismissed allegations that it was a political hit job and said it was just Congress doing its job.
"If there are certain individuals who did the wrong thing, who either brought bias or cut corners or did something wrong that implicates an American's civil liberties, it is our job as congressional overseers to bring people to account so it doesn't happen again." Link
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i'm highly disappointed. man i thought this was gonna be on some lizard people type conspiracy.
nope.
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I haven't read the memo.
Why were the republicans so FOR it being released, if it's 'nothing'?
And, why were the Dem's so AGAINST it being released (even the ones that read it) if it was a big 'nothing'?
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LMFAO.....talk about cherry picking lol cherry picked what? look at you. you can't even go hard in the paint on this right now. you don't even know what angles to use to even ATTEMPT to make this a big deal. Trump supporters trying to hype up the crowd with no mic, lmfao What a load of crap Swish...you ignore Comey, McCabe signed off...hmmm where are they now and why? Without the BS Dossier, the FISA court wouldn't have approve the surveillance. Omissions on the FISA app about Steele and using bs Yahoo article to corroborate.... Yes, you cherry pick Whats frickin hilarious is Trump still WON and is still WINNING!
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I haven't read the memo.
Why were the republicans so FOR it being released, if it's 'nothing'?
And, why were the Dem's so AGAINST it being released (even the ones that read it) if it was a big 'nothing'? the dems were against it because the feds said it contained inaccuracies and cherry picked points. which ended up being correct. the republicans wanted it released because they've been trying to discredit mueller ever since he actually did his job and dropped indictments on people. remember, the GOP said he was credible and fair and unbiased and blah blah blah....right up until he dropped indictments. then all of a sudden, we have bias? lololololol. one was against due to national security and accuracy concerns, the other for it because they were trying to discredit a valid investigation. it can't get any clearer than that.
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LMFAO.....talk about cherry picking lol cherry picked what? look at you. you can't even go hard in the paint on this right now. you don't even know what angles to use to even ATTEMPT to make this a big deal. Trump supporters trying to hype up the crowd with no mic, lmfao What a load of crap Swish...you ignore Comey, McCabe signed off...hmmm where are they now and why? Without the BS Dossier, the FISA court wouldn't have approve the surveillance. Omissions on the FISA app about Steele and using bs Yahoo article to corroborate.... Yes, you cherry pick the entire investigation started because of geroge P. did you not read that? of course you didnt, cause it didn't fit your agenda. also, parts of the dossier has already been verified to begin with. and guess what? 27 charges, 4 indictments, 2 guilty pleas. at this point, the only people looking like they're part of the "deep state" is the GOP and trump supporters.
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and it says a lot that the GOP is trying to block the Dems response memo.
hmmmmm lmfao
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jc. For the record I'm reading the memo from this source: https://www.scribd.com/document/37059871...uses#from_embed As far as I'm concerned, this information isn't very useful at all without the declassified FISA requests attached, and the memo cross referencing where the dossier came into play. Otherwise we are taking the HIC at their word, specifically that of Nunes. I would have thought the FISA requests and declarations would have also been declassified in an effort to paint a broad picture. To take this memo as factual without the backing evidence is like taking all those 'salacious' white house leaks as fact without backing evidence. You may feel you are right but feelings don't have much weight in court. If the WH decides to use this memo as their proof of ending the investigation that the republican appointed DAG started, then it's very flimsly without the FISA requests in plain sight.
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the entire investigation started because of geroge P. Yes and I DON'T GIVE A DAMN where it started. Every investigation starts somewhere  It continued based on LIES in a dossier and omissions on the app. What in the hell is wrong with you? You can't make crap up to continue a dead investigation just to get your woman elected! STOP WITH YOUR CRAP!
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lol why are you so angry?
cause this memo was a whole lot of nothing?
give it up bro. you can have my popcorn, i clearly made some for no reason.
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As far as I'm concerned, this information isn't very useful at all without the declassified FISA requests attached, I heard they were going to be released, but good point.
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lol why are you so angry?
cause this memo was a whole lot of nothing?
give it up bro. you can have my popcorn, i clearly made some for no reason. Not angry at all, just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just a troll.
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lol why are you so angry?
cause this memo was a whole lot of nothing?
give it up bro. you can have my popcorn, i clearly made some for no reason. Not angry at all, just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just a troll. why would it be a problem? you allowed the GOP to troll you into thinking this one sided hack job of a memo actually did anything if anything, it made the GOP look worse right now. party over country though.
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Much more info to come as they declassify it. Months and months worth of information.
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So -
The dossier was paid by Clinton and the DNC. Steele was def set on doing ANYTHING he can to not let Trump be elected (which questions the dossier accuracy), the FBI did not disclose any of this information to the FISA court, which it should have. (The knew if they did, the warranty would have been thrown out).
It then states how they used the NEWS MEDIA to give the Dossier legs (lying left wing mainstream biased media that is)
The FBI had to drop Steele as a source because they questioned his reliability, yet still were using the information he gave them. . . which was unreliable. . .. . .
Ohr, Yates, and Rosenstein were all mentioned as having contact with Steele AFTER he was "fired" as a source of the FBI. It was noted Steele "was desperateTrump not get elected" This bias of the person providing the information for the FISA warrants was not disclosed AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN
OHRS wife was EMPLOYED by FUSION GPS who HIRED STEELE! Talk about colluding/conflict.....The wife gave info to Ohr, who gave to FBI - all not disclosed in the warrants
McCabe Testified that no surveillance warrant would have been sought if not for the dossier
The Pappa investigation was INTRODUCED BY STROZK who had was removed because of bias. Strozk and Lisa had text the TALKED ABOUT COORDINATING LEAKS TO THE MEDIA, AND CREATING AN INSURANCE POLICY
So, FBI knowingly left out information to obtain a warrant, lied about information to obtain a warrant, had conflicts of interest with AG's, FBI heads, and investigators. Explicitly used the media to give validation to report they KNEW WAS FALSE. And it ADMITS the entire investigation was based on a false dossier.
yeah, this is pretty juicy. Nice try sweeping under the rug dems.
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LMFAO.....talk about cherry picking lol cherry picked what? look at you. you can't even go hard in the paint on this right now. you don't even know what angles to use to even ATTEMPT to make this a big deal. Trump supporters trying to hype up the crowd with no mic, lmfao What a load of crap Swish...you ignore Comey, McCabe signed off...hmmm where are they now and why? Without the BS Dossier, the FISA court wouldn't have approve the surveillance. Omissions on the FISA app about Steele and using bs Yahoo article to corroborate.... Yes, you cherry pick Whats frickin hilarious is Trump still WON and is still WINNING! Hes just mad cause it shows yahoo as bs. ever notice he only post yahoo links ahahahahaha
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the entire investigation started because of geroge P. Yes and I DON'T GIVE A DAMN where it started. Every investigation starts somewhere  It continued based on LIES in a dossier and omissions on the app. What in the hell is wrong with you? You can't make crap up to continue a dead investigation just to get your woman elected! STOP WITH YOUR CRAP! That is not where it started.
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how many times must it because explained to you?
yahoo is like msn. they post articles from OTHER news platforms as well as their own.
which is why i post from yahoo, because those articles come from reuters, AP, fox news, the independent, washingpost, ny times, cnn, abc, usatoday, etc.
you can't talk up the memo so now you gotta attack the site i use? lmfao.
man yall looking extra weak right now.
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lol why are you so angry?
cause this memo was a whole lot of nothing?
give it up bro. you can have my popcorn, i clearly made some for no reason. Not angry at all, just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just a troll. why would it be a problem? you allowed the GOP to troll you into thinking this one sided hack job of a memo actually did anything if anything, it made the GOP look worse right now. party over country though. The dossier that the entire investigation was built on was one sided. But that is fine? This FISA memo is in response to that. There was an investigation announces months ago into that.
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Except the whole investigation started due to the fake Clinton campaign dossier. An entire investigation costing Americans billions started from a fake dossier. Nope, try again. Here's the facts to refute your claim. Link The initial opening lead to nothing from the dossier which has multiple pieces of information in it as corroborated. lmfao Bro read what you posted, the fisa warranty was already in place and being sought before Pappa was even mentioned. Pappa was brought up by Strozk AFTER ALL THIS started It also said there was no evidence of conspiracy or colluding with papa, so why was he even being involved?
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The dossier that the entire investigation was built on was one sided. But that is fine? This FISA memo is in response to that. There was an investigation announces months ago into that.
how is it one sided when it was started under the republicans? lol man keep trying. eventually you'll get something.
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It was paid for by the Clinton Campaign because they could not get a warrant without it. All built on lies from the left.
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false
and now yall lying trying to make this credible. sad times we live in.
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anyways, now that i'm done with the zealots.
what should've happened is the the GOP should've waited until the information got declassified before dropping this, as well as allowing the dems to release their own version of the memo, that way everybody had the information readily available to view.
instead, they released a retracted, one sided, bias memo without any meat and potatoes.
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The dossier, authored by former British spy Christopher Steele and commissioned by Fusion GPS, was paid by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign through law firm Perkins Coie in an effort to conduct opposition research. It included salacious and unverified allegations about Donald Trump's connections to Russia. This Dossier was used by the FBI to get the FISA warrant and they never told the Judge where it came from.  I have the feeling there is a secret Judge who oversees a secret Court that is very angry and demanding answers from the FBI.
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Legend
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they would have to show probable cause to the judge in order for said judge to sign off on the warrant.
apparently, they did just that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
- Theodore Roosevelt
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