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Jim Thome does not want Chief Wahoo on the cap of his Hall of Fame plaque
Craig Calcaterra,NBC Sports 18 hours ago



There was little question that Jim Thome was going to wear a Cleveland Indians cap on his Hall of Fame plaque. He said today, however, that he does not want the Indians cap he wore for the vast majority of his time in Cleveland to be depicted. Specifically, he does not want Chief Wahoo on his cap. He wants the block-C:

“I know my decision would be to wear the ‘C’ because I think it’s the right thing to do,” Thome said. “I think I need to have a conversation with the Hall of Fame because of all the history and everything involved. I just think that’s the right thing to do.”

Hall of Fame inductees are allowed to voice their preference of the cap for their plaque, but the Hall of Fame gets final say on the matter in order to maintain a semblance of historical accuracy. In the past, that role has been exclusively dedicated to policing the choice of which team’s cap a player who played on multiple teams was wearing in order not to show him wearing a cap of a team for which he only briefly played. I am not aware of an instance in which a player chose to wear an uncommon cap design for a team which, otherwise, would be acceptable on the plaque.

For what it’s worth, the Indians wore Chief Wahoo caps for most of Thome’s career. From 1991 through 2002, Wahoo was the primary cap for Thome’s Indians, with an “Script-I” cap serving as an occasional alternate. In his second, brief stint with the Indians in 2011, the club did wear a block-C alternate cap.

If that was all that had happened, the Hall could very well tell Thome, sorry, but Wahoo it is. Obviously, however, the situation has changed, with Major League Baseball and the Indians announcing that Wahoo would be discontinued following the 2018 season, primarily because the logo — which is clearly a racist depiction of a cartoonish Native American — is in poor taste. In light of that, it would not be surprising to see the hall grant Thome’s wish to put the block-C on his plaque.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jim-thome-does-not-want-213324315.html

Nobody in this thread (at least yet) is debating the name or the use of the phrase Chief Wahoo.. it's the caricature of the deformed red Indian face that people have a problem with.

Many of the social justice types want the name 'Indians' gone as well. The idea is to get Wahoo removed first, and go for the name later.

You have noticed how the posters have deflected and not addressed your work ???

I've mentioned a couple of times in this thread that the next thing you know there will be protests trying to get the name changed to The Cleveland Native Americans but I think people thought I was joking. I wasn't.

Then I brought up the question as to what percentage of a group had to feel offended before such type of complaints should be acted on?

I really don't have an issue with the Tribe phasing out Chief Wahoo. I'm not a baseball fan. I am however concerned that going forward every time even a small percentage of any group feels offended, that there will be pressure for change.

At some point it will simply go too far. This is a bigger issue than Chief Wahoo in the grand scheme of things but I doubt people will actually see it until it's too late.

Just for humor, any of the staunchly anti-Wahoo posters want to go on record with their thoughts about the team's name as well?

I think it'll happen the day Indians, Pakis, Hispanics and other brown people get together and change the name of the Cleveland Browns.

I don't really think it depends on the numbers at all. I think what's more ridiculous is that you think that they'll complain about such a thing. It's so dishonest and sad. Most of these communities have real problems that they're facing. Sports is such a trivial subject for them. There's a big difference between a harmless name and an Indian sambo. It's why no one is saying the Redskins should change their logo.

I don't really think it depends on the numbers at all. I think what's more ridiculous is that you think that they'll complain about such a thing. It's so dishonest and sad.

If it's so ridiculous, then why are there a bunch of articles about it?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ml...mes/1075610001/

https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/1/31/16946136/cleveland-indians-team-name-change-chief-wahoo

And the numbers do sort of matter. That's what he's getting at. As the links show, they're going to have plenty of people trying to speak on their behalf and tell us that it's offensive. Even if most of them don't actually find it so.

You and TTT were talking about Chief Wahoo freaked you out when you were kids, but what about this dude?



Now, he is freaky! Look at his feet, toe, eyes, eyebrows, ears, hair. The little dude is possessed. Kinda like an early "Chucky."

No don't drag the Brownie. Y'all always joking about curses but don't consider that he's the fairy that has been warding off the curse. I ain't see him since 99 and we've sucked. That's a pretty strong correlation.

He was brought back in 2013 ... He hasn't helped much.

Yep, things haven't worked out for the elf from a mascot standpoint.

My opinions on pretty much everything covered in this post. Everything is in there. In exile, I am.

I think it'll happen the day Indians, Pakis, Hispanics and other brown people get together and change the name of the Cleveland Browns.

I don't really think it depends on the numbers at all. I think what's more ridiculous is that you think that they'll complain about such a thing. It's so dishonest and sad. Most of these communities have real problems that they're facing. Sports is such a trivial subject for them. There's a big difference between a harmless name and an Indian sambo. It's why no one is saying the Redskins should change their logo.

He is a Fairy? Are we still aloud to say that?

Tinker Bell has been officially offended.

I could have sworn somebody on here advocated that the Indians should change their name in addition to the logo, but I don't care enough about this to dig through year-plus old threads.