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That could work. I still like trading the #1 if we didn't have to drop too far. I think we could find a partner in the top 5 picks and gain 2-3 first rounders. That would be hard to pass up. In that scenario, the only concern I would have is missing out on Fitz. I do not want that to happen. I want Fitz too, but as the saying goes, for everything gained, there is something lost. I look at it this way, if we get Fitz, it will be at #4. We aren't taking him #1, so trading the #1 pick won't have any impact on our chances to draft Fitz. He's there at 4 or he isn't. I liked what Sashi did to gain picks. I don't want to blow that now just to take players. I think we have a shot to challenge for the division title next year. If we sign Cousins, we need to trade that #1 pick to keep the momentum going. We have holes that need to be filled. I'd like Barkley, but he isn't that much better than Sony Michel or a few others. To me, it's about value. A player like Michel and a couple other first rounders plus and 2nd this year does more for the team than does Barkley alone.
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If we sign Cousins, we need to trade that #1 pick to keep the momentum going. We have holes that need to be filled. I'd like Barkley, but he isn't that much better than Sony Michel or a few others. To me, it's about value. A player like Michel and a couple other first rounders plus and 2nd this year does more for the team than does Barkley alone. I kind of have to agree. The value of that number 1 this year is higher than it was last year IMO. If we sign Cousins, there really isn't any non-QB that could bring the value we could get for trading the thing.
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Glad we agree. Many others don't.
I just don't get it. I am not sticking up for Sashi so much, but we are in a good position. I'd hope Dorsey sees that and can see we can carry this another year or two. It's to the point that it can perpetuate for a while longer. We can walk in to drafts with 2 first rounders for a few more years if we play it that way.
I hope Depo isn't just looked at as window dressing. He was a big part of us getting to this point. And no, that doesn't mean being 0-16 last season. We should have won some games last year.
I think Dorsey is pretty good at what he does, but I don't want to see him blow the wad in one draft.
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It really all comes down to what Dorsey wants to do at the QB position. If he wants Darnold/Rosen, then that first pick will be used on that guy... and I fully support that, if that's who Dorsey says is going to be our guy.
If Dorsey goes out and gets Cousins or Brees or something like that, then go ahead and dangle that 1st rounder and see who bites. I have little doubt that a team will drown us in picks.
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All this talk about signing Cousins and not picking a QB in the draft has me seeing this future trivia question;
Who was the journeyman QB the Cleveland Browns signed instead of taking their choice of the greatest QB class ever?
Was it A) Julio Jones, B) Ben Roethisburger, C) Kirk Cousins, or D) Trent Richardson?
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Dorsey may be making the decisions but he will listen to what both Hue and Haley think of Kiser, the veteran QBs available and the QBs in the draft. Who Hue and Haley prefer will help Dorsey make his decision. This team is lacking in playmakers on both offense and defense. That will also play into what we do at QB.
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I don't agree w/any of that.
This team needs impact players. The previous plan resulted in us going 1 and 31. It's time to stop this "loser" mentality and actually win some games.
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It really all comes down to what Dorsey wants to do at the QB position. If he wants Darnold/Rosen, then that first pick will be used on that guy... and I fully support that, if that's who Dorsey says is going to be our guy.
If Dorsey goes out and gets Cousins or Brees or something like that, then go ahead and dangle that 1st rounder and see who bites. I have little doubt that a team will drown us in picks. I agree other than Brees. He isn't a long term option. Cousins is. Cousins still has 6-7-8 good years. Brees is winding down. No doubt if we don't sign a long term option at QB, we draft a rook at #1 and hope he is the guy. No trade down unless Dorsey is good with whoever is left at #4. I doubt it happens, but he may be good with that. Maybe he see's all the QBs about the same
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It really all comes down to what Dorsey wants to do at the QB position. If he wants Darnold/Rosen, then that first pick will be used on that guy... and I fully support that, if that's who Dorsey says is going to be our guy.
If Dorsey goes out and gets Cousins or Brees or something like that, then go ahead and dangle that 1st rounder and see who bites. I have little doubt that a team will drown us in picks. I agree other than Brees. He isn't a long term option. Cousins is. Cousins still has 6-7-8 good years. Brees is winding down. No doubt if we don't sign a long term option at QB, we draft a rook at #1 and hope he is the guy. No trade down unless Dorsey is good with whoever is left at #4. I doubt it happens, but he may be good with that. Maybe he see's all the QBs about the same Yes, but if Brees even plays 1 more year, who better to teach our rookie #1 pick QB than him? And in the meantime he makes us at least good enough for 8-8, which is something this fan base desperately needs. He’s also already won an SB so nothing for him to prove there, so throw $30M at him for a year imo.
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IMO, if you draft Cousins, you have your franchise guy. That is what this team has been lacking for years. I would still get one of the top guys in the draft, but the thing we are chasing in the draft, is what Cousins is.
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I completely get that thought process. He's not a two-year stopgap, Cousins is a QB you roll the dice with for several years if you get him.
Probably.
Or you still draft a QB you love and develop the guy. Tough one, eh?
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I don't agree w/any of that.
This team needs impact players. The previous plan resulted in us going 1 and 31. It's time to stop this "loser" mentality and actually win some games. Oh, I definitely think we need to get impact players. But I just don't see a guy to take with the number 1 pick that isn't a QB. Not with the value that we could get on return for trading it......... I wouldn't try to trade down far. But, let's say we offer the 1 to the Broncos and Jets. We'd also get an offer from the Giants. The Cardinals, Saints, Chargers will also be looking for QBs (just off the top of my head). Preferably, if we can get one of those picks (2,5,6) that would be great. Trading down to 2 wouldn't change anything for us after-all (if we don't select a QB). 5&6 would leave a guy like Chubb, Fitzpatrick, and Barckley available too.
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I wasn't really getting on your ass, Petey. I just replied to you because you agreed w/another guy. I'm sorry, but I think we should take the best qb at one and either Fitz or Barkely at 4.
The dumb-ass decisions of Sashi are over.
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I wasn't really getting on your ass, Petey. I just replied to you because you agreed w/another guy. I'm sorry, but I think we should take the best qb at one and either Fitz or Barkely at 4.
The dumb-ass decisions of Sashi are over. But he was under the assumption that Cousins was selected as a FA. I mean, if we got Kirk Cousins, wouldn't you think trading that first pick makes the most sense? The thing is valuable as hell. Im with you. Any QB not named Cousins in FA; I want to draft our top QB. For me right now, it's Rosen. Everything's fluid of course, but for me, if I had to choose right now, Rosen. Not even close either. But, with Cousins in the fold, we gotta pull a Tennessee Titans and trade down with the 1. Preferably not too far. Cause the QBs should go high. That number 1 pick should be a QB this year.
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Just my opinion, but this team has a ton of holes and I would like to see some impact players chosen at 1 and 4.
I'm tired of passing on guys like Wentz, Zeke, Ramsey, Bosa, etc for chumps like Corey Coleman.
Sashi is gone. Thank God. It's time to get some impact players w/our picks.
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Just my opinion, but this team has a ton of holes and I would like to see some impact players chosen at 1 and 4.
I'm tired of passing on guys like Wentz, Zeke, Ramsey, Bosa, etc for chumps like Corey Coleman.
Sashi is gone. Thank God. It's time to get some impact players w/our picks. Fair enough, guess we'll disagree. If we could even manage to get the Jets, Broncos, and Giants in a trade battle for our 1, I think we'd get someone of the Zeke, Ramsey, Bosa caliber (Sequon, Fitz, Chubb), and hopefully get another 1st rounder next year
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So, you would be opposed to Cousins, Barkley, and Fitz on the Browns?
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Just my opinion, but this team has a ton of holes and I would like to see some impact players chosen at 1 and 4.
I'm tired of passing on guys like Wentz, Zeke, Ramsey, Bosa, etc for chumps like Corey Coleman.
Sashi is gone. Thank God. It's time to get some impact players w/our picks. I totally agree. I am so tired of trading down for future picks. We need impact players and a QB. No more waiting til next year. We need to start winning now. Trading down and getting average players has kept us at the bottom of the NFL.
I just want a winner. We need players who can be part of the solution not part of the problem.
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So, you would be opposed to Cousins, Barkley, and Fitz on the Browns? Nope. But I certainly wouldn't be opposed to Cousins, Barkley/Fitz, and a kings ransom for that first pick. Nor would I be opposed with, strong arming a pick out of the Giants by being open to trading that 1 pick and getting all three of those guys anyway.......... Or the chance that maybe we trade with the Broncos/Jets, and we end up with two of them as well. I'm a big fan of Chubb too. If we traded that 1 (assuming we got Cousins) to the Giants, Jets, or Broncos (and I bet we could make a trade battle between the three), I think it's very likely, we could get two of those three guys (Chubb, Fitz, and Barkley) I saw with the Giants, you can run a three team of pass rushers and make it work the way they would with Osi, Strahan, Tuck. Then Tuck, Osi, and JPP. Chubb isn't a bad option. He and Garrett would be two of the best pass rushers in football potentially. And Ogbah aint no slouch either EDIT: Don't think it matters much. I'd be surprised if Cousins came here. I just think our perception is poor. We'd have to do a good job selling ourselves. I think it'll be rookie QB, Barkley/Fitz
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so just how did Cousins become a journeyman QB?I think if we had Cousins last season we would have won a lit of games.
So one QB out of the works and we are doomed...lol same old trick.
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eo, that was an attempt at humor. I'm suggesting that, 15 years in the future, fans will look back at the stellar careers of Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Rudolph, and Lauletta, seeing that the Browns could have had their pick but instead signed a guy who was (merely) good.
Cousins is what he is, a QB who is well established as good. Would you rather have Cousins or Montana in his prime, or P.Manning, or Brady, or any of the recognized greats of the position. We know what Cousins is, good. There are several guys in this draft who have the potential to be great...it's a really good QB draft. It's a matter of going with a known quality or betting on the possibility of greatness.
I prefer the gamble on greatness.
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Just my opinion, but this team has a ton of holes and I would like to see some impact players chosen at 1 and 4.
I'm tired of passing on guys like Wentz, Zeke, Ramsey, Bosa, etc for chumps like Corey Coleman.
Sashi is gone. Thank God. It's time to get some impact players w/our picks. Obviously FA will dictate this. But I think this is pretty obvious. IF Cousins signs here we're NOT taking a QB. It's a pretty sure thing that QB'S are going 1 and 2. I just wonder what Irsay is thinking about Luck and his health? Would they bite? We get alot and get Barkley and Minkah-Fitzpatrick at. 3 and 4. Along with Cousins. Excellent Deal. IMPACT. Denver at 5? We get a HAUL and 2 of Barkley, Minkah-Fitzpatrick, Chubb. IMPACT. We're sitting on a GOLD MINE, bud. ANY QB other than Cousins and we're going to end up with Darnold or Rosen and Barkley or Minkah-Fitzpatrick. This is PERFECT.
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I don't agree w/any of that.
This team needs impact players. The previous plan resulted in us going 1 and 31. It's time to stop this "loser" mentality and actually win some games. Tell it to Hue.. On the serious side, I do agree we need impact players. I don't see how trading down a few slots will prevent us from doing that. I see it as a way to help ensure we can do that for several more years.
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I prefer the gamble on greatness. Did Cousins accidently throw over 13,000 yards over the last three years? He's got 94 total touchdowns in that time. Brady. Brees. Rodgers. Luck. (The latter two extrapolated for injury). The only quarterbacks more productive. Cousins has similarly produced to Wilson (More yards, same number of total touchdowns) and Newton, and been outright more productive than Ryan, Roethlisberger, Carr, Stafford, Rivers, etc. How is he only good? Because he's been the guy stuck on a poor team that can't run, has a terrible OL and a consistently average defense? Cousins is odd, like Cam Newton. Inconsistent, yet amazing far more often than not, but never gets any respect for his accomplishments. He doesn't have turnover issues, great yards and touchdowns, great accuracy, legitimate duel threat. The only weakness is that he isn't week-in-week-out great like the elites, yet he spends more time than not playing at that elite level. If we roll the dice on a gamble at greatness, it better be off-the-charts elite, because that's the only thing outscoring Cousins. Luck, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are generational. The chances of getting a player of that calibre is, what, maybe 1%. For every 100 quarterbacks drafted, you get one of them. Frankly, I'd rather not roll the dice. We turn up our noses at a guy like Cousins while hoping we get lucky in drafting a guy who plays just like him.
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eo, that was an attempt at humor. I'm suggesting that, 15 years in the future, fans will look back at the stellar careers of Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Rudolph, and Lauletta, seeing that the Browns could have had their pick but instead signed a guy who was (merely) good.
Cousins is what he is, a QB who is well established as good. Would you rather have Cousins or Montana in his prime, or P.Manning, or Brady, or any of the recognized greats of the position. We know what Cousins is, good. There are several guys in this draft who have the potential to be great...it's a really good QB draft. It's a matter of going with a known quality or betting on the possibility of greatness.
I prefer the gamble on greatness. I still haven't decided if I would rather have Cousins or a qb at #1. With that said, I think Rosen is worthy of a being the first overall pick and can be great, but there is talk of drafting Mayfield or Allen w/that pick. I'm sorry, I think they have more potential to bust than to be great.
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My only concern with Rosen is concussions. Concussions is one injury type that one can look at and worry about future problems. It's not like a guy who breaks his leg stands a greater risk of breaking it again.
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My only concern with Rosen is concussions. Concussions is one injury type that one can look at and worry about future problems. It's not like a guy who breaks his leg stands a greater risk of breaking it again. Agreed. I'd really like to get that whole situation figured out. Exactly how many has he had? How severe? Also, are some people more suseptible than others. I mean, Brodney Pool and Jordan Cameron seemed to get concussions all the time. I hated having them on the team at the end. Just couldn't bear watching them out there anymore (not because of their play, just a sense of guilt)
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I know he had 2 last season. I don't know about others in the past.
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I know he had 2 last season. I don't know about others in the past. That's probably my biggest thing in regards to him. Maybe he needs a different helmet or something. Everything else looks money with Rosen. Has great arm and mechanics. Very cerebral QB. The only guy in this class i've watched, where I say "Man, this guy looks like an NFL QB" No concussions and I'd assume it would be real easy turning in that card. We'll have to do our homework
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what I want I never get.
I want Drew Brees and Mayfield.
Yeah I get it cousins ca.e from simple backing...and yet when I watched him play he was impressive n I was watching NFL games not college. Also I thought their O talent was pretty bad. Hes not my #1 of choice but he would be the best QB we had here since 1999.
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what I want I never get.
I want Drew Brees and Mayfield.
Why taunt me so... this is a DREAM... next best case scenario Daniel/Mayfield.
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j/c I've found something that I believe may back up some of the things I've said about the unlikelihood of Cousins coming to the Browns. These are portions of an interview Cousins did with Jim Rome yesterday...... Asked what it’s like hearing so many people discuss his personal financial situation, Cousins said, “You don’t want to talk about money. I mean, that doesn’t get you anywhere. So I want to talk about winning football games and, yeah, it’s a business, but ultimately this decision going forward is going to be about winning games, and how do we do that best, and where can I do that best?” “The Redskins have the first move with the tag deadline March 6,” he said, “and they can decide what they want to do and then I’ll react accordingly. But if they choose to tag me, I’ll be content to go forward in that route. I’m okay with that. I’ve shown I’m okay with that. But if they don’t, then, yeah, I’ve got to be active and go look at what’s the best option for me.” “Kirk, I don’t for a second think that you’re being disingenuous,” Rome said. “But are you completely okay with that? Do you gotta prove yourself every single year?” “Well, I don’t know that I see it as proving myself,” said Cousins. “I feel like for me I’m okay going year-to-year, even if I’ve already proven myself to them, and they’ve made it clear: ‘We believe in you. You’re our guy.’ They just don’t want to pay a dollar more than they have to, and so that’s really more the challenge, is coming to an agreement there. But they believe in me and I feel that. It’s just more about trying to get the right circumstances.” Asked what’s most important to him, Cousins said, “It’s winning. I want to win. I’ve had an opportunity to earn a good living playing football. That box is checked, quote, unquote, and so I want to go win. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2018/01/3...nse-of-winning/When you have options in your career with the possibility to build a legacy, you exercise and maximize those options. He obviously feels that going to a team set up with the best chance to win holds the most value to him.
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Any chance to get Cousins would mean giving him ultimate receiving options. Duke in the slot is good. Gordon not suspended is epic. You need another. Need a star.
Even that may not be enough. 5 years 145 mil may not be enough. Brown's r a joke frachise and I don't know if there is anything we can do to get the stigma of failure from our backs enough to get a commit from cousins.
Most are gonna hate this but realistically we are looking at Sam Bradford or aj McCarran. I am fine with that. They are a seat warmer at most.
You have the #1 pick draft me a frachise QB. Wolf,dorsey, Hightower you guys are supposed to be great at this so draft me a frachise QB.
Now as for who that frachise QB is? I have never been this torn on a class. Rosen has the arm and Drew Brees pocket presence. Lamar is like Randall Cunningham with that big arm and ability to break it 50 with your legs. Darnold eyes always upfield and just makes it look easy. Mayfield has the quickest release of anyone. Allen and Rudolph just look like NFL QBs.
I want our Fo to be open to all these guys and find me the best QB and not just the best QB for Hue.
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Even that may not be enough. 5 years 145 mil may not be enough. Brown's r a joke frachise and I don't know if there is anything we can do to get the stigma of failure from our backs enough to get a commit from cousins.
Most are gonna hate this but realistically we are looking at Sam Bradford or aj McCarran. I am fine with that. They are a seat warmer at most. The Browns aren't a joke, and at worst we're looking at some talented rookie options who were all supposed to be returning to school to avoid the Browns but instead declared. All of them. So much so it's costing several of them millions. Free agents are nice in giving a sense of comfort because they're known, but at the end of the day the A1 option of any team is building through the draft, and all those options seem to be on the table. If free agents don't want to be part of that, it's their loss. Screw 'em. 
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so thought I would put this here
1. Im a Hue fan.
2. Didnt want this to distract somebody elses thread not my intention thought it was funny.
In NY they are calling today Hue Jackson day...as today is 1-31
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I thought it was humorous...lol
Any probably all over here but thought I would share.
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so thought I would put this here
1. Im a Hue fan.
2. Didnt want this to distract somebody elses thread not my intention thought it was funny.
In NY they are calling today Hue Jackson day...as today is 1-31
2018
I thought it was humorous...lol
Any probably all over here but thought I would share. Man, that's going to stick with him for life.
RIP, Jim
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so thought I would put this here
1. Im a Hue fan.
2. Didnt want this to distract somebody elses thread not my intention thought it was funny.
In NY they are calling today Hue Jackson day...as today is 1-31
2018
I thought it was humorous...lol
Any probably all over here but thought I would share. Man, that's going to stick with him for life. The good news is that it won't work for 1-47
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so thought I would put this here
1. Im a Hue fan.
2. Didnt want this to distract somebody elses thread not my intention thought it was funny.
In NY they are calling today Hue Jackson day...as today is 1-31
2018
I thought it was humorous...lol
Any probably all over here but thought I would share. Man, that's going to stick with him for life. The good news is that it won't work for 1-47 January 2047 is going to be Hue Jackson Month!
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
Also no
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