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Maybe we just all checked out and waiting for the playoffs? IDK... Woj was on Zach Lowe's podcast today, 2/5/18, and he said there are actual real problems with the Cavs this year. It sounded like most of the problems start with Dan Gilbert and LeBron. They also talked about how Kyrie Irving saw the writing on the wall and that's why he wanted out. He basically knew the poo was going to hit the fan. It's very, very believable. I think Gilbert and LBJ is a toxic relationship, however... I think with the way he conducts himself, LBJ would be toxic for most if not all teams trying to handle and moderate the entire situation and etc. Like others have said many times, the players that could likely substantially help us don't want to be "stuck" here if/when LBJ leaves again, and him leaving AGAIN seems more a reality than anything anymore. Like Vers said, we might "all" just have to be content while the fun and etc lasted. I've been here for awhile, I just looked at what we had and what could be made with trades and just didn't see a scenario where this team can get that much better. Question is, is lebron willing to sacrifice this year standing pat and making a run next season with some younger guys and whatever trades we do at deadline? Story is now the cavs aren't making any moves at the deadline, if thats the case the seasons pretty much over as this team hates each other, it all starts with IT, dude is a cancer. He's the one guy I'd try to move regardless
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No, LBJ looks like he's already taking phone calls on where he wants to go next. Granted, it's rumors... but. Read this, makes some decent points. His hip does appear to be not fully recovered and etc. IT may come back strong next year too, but that's next season and questionable. Cleveland Cavaliers Scribbles: Time to consider trading Isaiah Thomas -- Terry Pluto http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2018/02/cleveland_cavaliers_scribbles_78.html#incart_2box
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That's a long list of negatives for IT. Who would want that problem? Nobody is trading for him. TT has way more value.
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IT is never going to be a starting pg on an Championship team.. he has too many issues..We absolutely need to trade him, not to mention he rubs everyone the wrong way everywhere he's been. We'd be better off without him and signing deron williams for the remainder
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all we can hope is time away from each other during the ASB helps them, because I don't think they like each other now. Alot of finger pointing, all started with IT
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That's a long list of negatives for IT. Who would want that problem? Nobody is trading for him. TT has way more value. Then bag TT and IT together and send them both away... JR, Shump can be included as incentive/"we'll throw in if you..." too.
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IT has an expiring contract, and those quite often have trade value. I am ready to see him go.
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That's a long list of negatives for IT. Who would want that problem? Nobody is trading for him. TT has way more value. Then bag TT and IT together and send them both away... JR, Shump can be included as incentive/"we'll throw in if you..." too. I don't think you know what the word "incentive" means, unless you want to finish that sentence with "... take our first round Brooklyn pick and pretend like this is actually a good deal for you". TT and JR have $15Mish contracts for the next 3 years. Shump has a $10M contract for another 2 years. All three of those are albatross contracts that nobody is going to want to take on, unless it's a a throw-in to get salaries to match while we give them Brooklyn's first round pick. IT is the only one remotely trade-able, He's around $7M and expiring, but I don't think expirings really have the value they used to. Unless they want to flip him to the Lakers or something so they can free cap space, but even then, they're not going to give up anyone worthwhile for cap space.
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TT couldn’t play in China
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Disgusting. This happens every time the Cavs are up at half. Up 16 to now down 16 in a quarter and a half...
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I don’t get this, got home from work, sat down with my Canes Chicken Fingers and a 12-14 point lead, now we’re down 16 points.
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The Cavs just lost to a team that was 16 & 36 before the game started...Wow... I'm glad I just watched the ending. Very disappointing. 
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i can't believe we blew a 20 point lead AGAIN
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Man this team/franchise is dismantling right in front of us...Sad
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Cavs, namely the key players, couldn't care less about winning or effort right now. The team is in disarray.
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IT and JR had combined 23 points in thr 1st quarter.
they both with scoreless the rest of the game.
our backcourt is terrible.
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IT and JR had combined 23 points in thr 1st quarter.
they both with scoreless the rest of the game.
our backcourt is terrible. The whole team sucks 1-15, IT and crowder are the worst fit possible, TT is a turnstile and lebron couldn’t care less
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Will you quit watching so we don't have to read your predictable responses since they suck so bad?
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j/c...
The effort given in this OKC vs GSW right now feels like a playoff game. OKC up by 14, but it sure doesn't feel like a big lead.
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Porzingis just tore his ACL. That really sucks.
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Porzingis just tore his ACL. That really sucks. Doesn't that make a 4th member of Lebron's All Star team out? Cousins Wall Kevin Porzingis Who's next?
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The effort given in this OKC vs GSW right now feels like a playoff game. OKC up by 14, but it sure doesn't feel like a big lead. Yeah, this is an excellent, high-effort game. Very fun to watch. Freaking Westbrook is an animal! Oh, that is a compliment, my Millennial friends.
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Porzingis just tore his ACL. That really sucks. Doesn't that make a 4th member of Lebron's All Star team out? Cousins Wall Kevin Porzingis Who's next? He's the new Madden Curse.
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Link The Cleveland Browns blew a 14-point lead in the fourth quarter to drop to 0-13 on the season.
It wasn’t pretty either.
As the Browns looked poised to lock up their first win of the season, LeBron James took to Twitter to root on the hometown team. At first, there was hope. James urged the Browns to make one more stop. They did not.
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1 last stop @Browns!! Just 1 more
2:55 PM - Dec 10, 2017
Then, DeShone Kizer threw the most embarrassing interception of the NFL season. LeBron reacted appropriately.
LeBron James
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@KingJames
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3:13 PM - Dec 10, 2017
And, of course, when the Browns eventually lost, LeBron had the perfect tweet.
LeBron James
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Got dayuummm man!!
3:21 PM - Dec 10, 2017
That’s the life of a Browns fan in three tweets. Last nights Cavs game: Life imitating art.
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Some of you guys are going to be in for a real shock if/when Lebron leaves. When Lebron left the first time, Chris Grant did a masterful job on the rebuild. Think about how we nabbed Kyrie Irving-- taking on Baron Davis's contract for an unprotected lottery pick (the ping pong balls were a big part of this as well.) Go back to the 2013-2014 season, the Cavs had an incredible amount of future picks stockpiled. They had most if not all of their own, and a whole bunch of other future firsts and seconds from other teams. These were accumulated over the years of the rebuild. Chris Grant was ahead of the curve, (correctly) predicting that future picks would increase in value due to oddities of the salary cap increase, CBA, etc. Tides started to change at the end of that season, with misguided trades for Luol Deng and Spencer Hawes in order to chase the 8th seed in the East, among other questionable decisions. So we were already in the mode of using assets for players who would never contribute while Lebron was here. We had incredible fortune, spiking 3 #1 overall picks (and no, Anthony Bennett was never a Chris Grant pick.) We also had 2 #4 overall picks and a whole bunch of first rounders, many of which were never used by the Cavs because they were sent out in trades for mediocre role players. Then you see some of the more recent trades for players like Chris Paul, Paul George, etc. and it's so freaking frustrating knowing that if we had managed our assets better, we could have made several of such trades. Oh by the way, Lebron came back here somewhere during all of this. So you start with Kyrie Irving, then add the greatest player of our generation (Lebron) signs with Cleveland, you have 2 #1 overall picks to work with (not including Kyrie... or Lebron), 2 #4 overall picks, could have had a warchest of picks to work with along with a good cap situation. Yet deal after deal the Cavs get snookered in, making stupid trades and re-signing marginal role players to enormous contracts. Eventually it was all going to come crashing down and this is what you see. Seriously... when is the last time the Cavs made a good deal in trade, free agency, or re-signing their own players? I get that we won a title, but this was perfect storm in the Cavs favor, and it could have been a dynasty. We could have been (and should have been) what the Warriors are. Or the Spurs of the 2000s, Bulls of the 90s, Celtics of the 80s, etc. That's how the NBA goes-- superteams get put together and they dominate for long stretches. It's painfully obvious there was no long-term planning, but rather silly things like burning up first round picks for a short-term, marginal upgrade. I know Lebron had a hand in many of the deals but at a certain point, there has to be a divide. It's coming a few years too late, and it seems like the Brooklyn pick is the last straw. The problem is that if Lebron leaves, that Brooklyn pick isn't going to save us. Might as well enjoy Lebron (as a player) while he's here. I don't know what he's going to do in the future but it would be hard to fault him for leaving. The team around him sucks and fans no longer appreciate him. Maybe he stays through the difficult times but if he leaves, the Cavs are completely screwed. There won't be a stockpile of future picks to send out in trades. There won't be 3 #1 overall picks, and 5 in the top 4. There won't be a 4-time MVP signing here in his prime. Vets aren't going to sign here on below-market deals to chase a ring. TL; DR: I don't understand how a team can have all the good fortune the Cavs had and end up with 2 good players.
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Some of you guys are going to be in for a real shock if/when Lebron leaves. When Lebron left the first time, Chris Grant did a masterful job on the rebuild. Think about how we nabbed Kyrie Irving-- taking on Baron Davis's contract for an unprotected lottery pick (the ping pong balls were a big part of this as well.) Go back to the 2013-2014 season, the Cavs had an incredible amount of future picks stockpiled. They had most if not all of their own, and a whole bunch of other future firsts and seconds from other teams. These were accumulated over the years of the rebuild. Chris Grant was ahead of the curve, (correctly) predicting that future picks would increase in value due to oddities of the salary cap increase, CBA, etc. Tides started to change at the end of that season, with misguided trades for Luol Deng and Spencer Hawes in order to chase the 8th seed in the East, among other questionable decisions. So we were already in the mode of using assets for players who would never contribute while Lebron was here. We had incredible fortune, spiking 3 #1 overall picks (and no, Anthony Bennett was never a Chris Grant pick.) We also had 2 #4 overall picks and a whole bunch of first rounders, many of which were never used by the Cavs because they were sent out in trades for mediocre role players. Then you see some of the more recent trades for players like Chris Paul, Paul George, etc. and it's so freaking frustrating knowing that if we had managed our assets better, we could have made several of such trades. Oh by the way, Lebron came back here somewhere during all of this. So you start with Kyrie Irving, then add the greatest player of our generation (Lebron) signs with Cleveland, you have 2 #1 overall picks to work with (not including Kyrie... or Lebron), 2 #4 overall picks, could have had a warchest of picks to work with along with a good cap situation. Yet deal after deal the Cavs get snookered in, making stupid trades and re-signing marginal role players to enormous contracts. Eventually it was all going to come crashing down and this is what you see. Seriously... when is the last time the Cavs made a good deal in trade, free agency, or re-signing their own players? I get that we won a title, but this was perfect storm in the Cavs favor, and it could have been a dynasty. We could have been (and should have been) what the Warriors are. Or the Spurs of the 2000s, Bulls of the 90s, Celtics of the 80s, etc. That's how the NBA goes-- superteams get put together and they dominate for long stretches. It's painfully obvious there was no long-term planning, but rather silly things like burning up first round picks for a short-term, marginal upgrade. I know Lebron had a hand in many of the deals but at a certain point, there has to be a divide. It's coming a few years too late, and it seems like the Brooklyn pick is the last straw. The problem is that if Lebron leaves, that Brooklyn pick isn't going to save us. Might as well enjoy Lebron (as a player) while he's here. I don't know what he's going to do in the future but it would be hard to fault him for leaving. The team around him sucks and fans no longer appreciate him. Maybe he stays through the difficult times but if he leaves, the Cavs are completely screwed. There won't be a stockpile of future picks to send out in trades. There won't be 3 #1 overall picks, and 5 in the top 4. There won't be a 4-time MVP signing here in his prime. Vets aren't going to sign here on below-market deals to chase a ring. TL; DR: I don't understand how a team can have all the good fortune the Cavs had and end up with 2 good players. This mess is all Lebron and Griffin, Lebron for being impatient and needing to win now, and Griffin for squandering assets and handing out bad contracts. Not sure why everyone gives Griffin all this love, he gave TT, JR and shump those contracts, sent away 2 firsts for Mosgov, another first for Korver, imagine this team right now with 3 first round picks on it. I expect Lebron to leave, but man talk about burning it down before you bounce..If he cared at all about the fans, and he knows he's leaving, allow the team to trade you and recoup some assets to start a rebuild. We are going to basically be stuck with Love and a bunch of bad contracts. We literally will be going from a 1 seed to worst team in nba in a matter of a year's time. Hopefully the Browns become relevant and the indians keep staying strong, might help ease the pain a bit.
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Some of you guys are going to be in for a real shock if/when Lebron leaves. From what I've been reading here and elsewhere, I think everyone has been expecting it for some time. We know the landscape in the NBA right now, it's an arms race and Cleveland is ill-equipped to compete. We can't just add Russell Westbrook, trade for DJ and get rid of all those bad contracts. We put it all on the line for a 3-4 year run to bring a title home to Cleveland. It worked. I suppose we could argue another title could have been had if Kevin and Kyrie weren't hurt for the first Finals run, but "them's the breaks". It is time to plan for a rebuild. I'm okay with it. I'm not dreading it and I'm not shocked it's happening. Lebron owes this town and franchise nothing. It doesn't matter what state the team is in now or next year, he delivered on his promise. As I've stated before, there are 20+ other NBA teams that would sign up for this embarrassing front page post-championship meltdown in a heartbeat because it comes with a ring. Heck, we didn't just get "a ring", we got a ring for the city of Cleveland, who NEVER wins anything, against a 73-win team that beat us the year before and we came back from a 3-1 deficit. And it all happened with our hometown hero who probably should have never came back. Damn, that's Hollywood stuff right there. People may forget the Mavericks won a title, but nobody is forgetting the Cavs won one. So yeah, Lebron is mailing it in and yes, he helped create this mess too, but I don't care. When this run is finally over, we'll be back to being one of those perennial lottery teams. We'll draft a guy that might be good, he may develop into a star, but he'll jet to a bigger market before we can build around him. We'll fight for the 7th spot in the playoffs and then get rolled in the first round. That's our future and I'm okay with it.
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Lebron owes this town and franchise nothing. It doesn't matter what state the team is in now or next year, he delivered on his promise. As I've stated before, there are 20+ other NBA teams that would sign up for this embarrassing front page post-championship meltdown in a heartbeat because it comes with a ring. Heck, we didn't just get "a ring", we got a ring for the city of Cleveland, who NEVER wins anything, against a 73-win team that beat us the year before and we came back from a 3-1 deficit. And it all happened with our hometown hero who probably should have never came back. Damn, that's Hollywood stuff right there.
People may forget the Mavericks won a title, but nobody is forgetting the Cavs won one.
So yeah, Lebron is mailing it in and yes, he helped create this mess too, but I don't care. When this run is finally over, we'll be back to being one of those perennial lottery teams. We'll draft a guy that might be good, he may develop into a star, but he'll jet to a bigger market before we can build around him. We'll fight for the 7th spot in the playoffs and then get rolled in the first round. That's our future and I'm okay with it. Eh, it would probably would sit easier with me if it didn't seem like he was doing everything in his power to burn the franchise to the ground. If the franchise sort of imploded on it's own, I'd be okay with it.
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Eh, it would probably would sit easier with me if it didn't seem like he was doing everything in his power to burn the franchise to the ground. If the franchise sort of imploded on it's own, I'd be okay with it. Good point. I was thinking about it this morning, but do you think he's doing this on purpose or maybe "not preventing" the collapse so he has an excuse to leave in the offseason. Lebron cares about his legacy and he doesn't want people saying, "the Cavs went to the Finals 4 years in a row and you leave?". If the Cavs implode and get knocked out of the 2nd round, he has an "excuse". Again, this is mostly for the media and the league as a whole, not so much for the fans of Cleveland. It's funny, all of this drama over a team that wasn't going to beat the Warriors in the Finals anyway. Heck, outside of us trading Lebron to Houston, nobody has a chance against GS this season. So why all the drama?
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I was thinking about it this morning, but do you think he's doing this on purpose or maybe "not preventing" the collapse so he has an excuse to leave in the offseason. Lebron cares about his legacy and he doesn't want people saying, "the Cavs went to the Finals 4 years in a row and you leave?". If the Cavs implode and get knocked out of the 2nd round, he has an "excuse". I think he's absolutely doing it so he has an excuse. The problem is that most of the problems revolve directly around his meddling. He wanted TT, JR and Shump to have those big contracts that are currently crushing us. He pretty much forced Kyrie out of town with his demeanor towards him, although Kyrie has some culpability in that too. He got Blatt fired and Lue hired, although he denies directly meddling, you know he had a big part in it. He also put pressure on the front office to make trades for various other pieces that didn't work out. Dan Gilbert has one of the highest luxury taxes in league history ... so he can't exactly call him cheap. I actually like that the Front Office is sort of standing pat with their Nets pick and telling Lebron to deal with the hand he forced the team to deal him. I think they know he has one foot out the door anyway. So at least we're not stripping the cupboards bare just to appease him one last time.
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Some of you guys are going to be in for a real shock if/when Lebron leaves. From what I've been reading here and elsewhere, I think everyone has been expecting it for some time. We know the landscape in the NBA right now, it's an arms race and Cleveland is ill-equipped to compete. We can't just add Russell Westbrook, trade for DJ and get rid of all those bad contracts. We put it all on the line for a 3-4 year run to bring a title home to Cleveland. It worked. I suppose we could argue another title could have been had if Kevin and Kyrie weren't hurt for the first Finals run, but "them's the breaks". It is time to plan for a rebuild. I'm okay with it. I'm not dreading it and I'm not shocked it's happening. Lebron owes this town and franchise nothing. It doesn't matter what state the team is in now or next year, he delivered on his promise. As I've stated before, there are 20+ other NBA teams that would sign up for this embarrassing front page post-championship meltdown in a heartbeat because it comes with a ring. Heck, we didn't just get "a ring", we got a ring for the city of Cleveland, who NEVER wins anything, against a 73-win team that beat us the year before and we came back from a 3-1 deficit. And it all happened with our hometown hero who probably should have never came back. Damn, that's Hollywood stuff right there. People may forget the Mavericks won a title, but nobody is forgetting the Cavs won one. So yeah, Lebron is mailing it in and yes, he helped create this mess too, but I don't care. When this run is finally over, we'll be back to being one of those perennial lottery teams. We'll draft a guy that might be good, he may develop into a star, but he'll jet to a bigger market before we can build around him. We'll fight for the 7th spot in the playoffs and then get rolled in the first round. That's our future and I'm okay with it. I don't mean that people will be shocked if he leaves. I mean people will be shocked at how far the Cavs will fall and how slow and painful the climb back to relevance could be. I get that we can't just add the players you mentioned. You have to actually trade assets of value to teams to get those types of players and we squandered nearly all of ours in short-sighted trades over the years. Here is a complete list of the players/assets the Cavs have that have real value: Lebron, Love, Brooklyn's unprotected first. That's pretty much it. Maybe some future unprotected picks of our own that we'd be best to leave alone unless we want to find ourselves in the position that Brooklyn has been. Most of our players have negative trade value because their play doesn't match up to their contracts. It's going to be awfully hard to improve the team from here. This is where we are stuck, because when you build a team, you have to be able to project more than a year or two in advance. I loved the Cavs championship and it was probably my favorite sports-related moment in my life. That was a magical finish and to do it over a 73-win team in a Finals rematch sure does sound like Hollywood stuff. I agree with all that. What I'm saying is that the Cavs good fortune was arguably unprecedented-- spiking all those #1 overall picks, having what was a warchest of future picks accumulated (I'll go back and dig this info up if needed, but these last 4 years or so, we have traded out a LOT of picks and don't really have anything to show for it), Lebron coming back, etc. This could have been a team with an all-star caliber starting 5 along with good depth. Yeah we won a championship, and made it out of the (lousy) Eastern conference two other times, but it's still kind of a letdown. Call me spoiled, I don't care. Great teams in the NBA can win 3, 4, 5 or more championships with their core intact. I get that Cleveland had a long championship drought but still can't help but think of what could have been.
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I get that Cleveland had a long championship drought but still can't help but think of what could have been. Well, if we had a crystal ball ... we could of drafted a lineup of: Kyrie Irving, Andre Wiggins, Kawhi Leonard, Giannis Antetokounmpo and Andre Drummond ... with Draymond Green, Jae Crowder, and Rudy Gobert coming off the bench. 
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I'll go out on a limb and say I'll be more surprised if LeBron leaves than stays. Windy said as much the other day as well that he gets the sense LeBron wants to stay in his hometown.
Further, his son will be in eight grade next year and a year away from going to LeBron's alma mater, St. V. I understand this certainly doesn't guarantee he's staying.
***Third party rumor alert here locally*** Bron Bron has already started recruiting kids and their families to build a super team for his son to play with at St. V.
Quite frankly, I'm about ready for a total rebuild. It's the nature of the NBA. You'll have to tank for a little while and stockpile assets.
If he leaves, it's to chase rings (obviously) and the only team that has a legitimate shot to dethrone GSW is Houston. Not sure I see him packing up and headed to Houston, but you never know.
Philly as a dark horse should he leave?
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I don't know if he stays or leaves (I hope he stays.) If he leaves, I'd be completely shocked if it were to go to Philly. Houston would seem to make the most sense.
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I just read Jason Lloyd's most recent article in The Athletic regarding the tension between LeBron and Gilbert. What a mess.
If LeBron stays, those two are going to need another sit down together sooner than later.
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I just read Jason Lloyd's most recent article in The Athletic regarding the tension between LeBron and Gilbert. What a mess.
If LeBron stays, those two are going to need another sit down together sooner than later. I think this all on lebron, He wants Gilbert to make moves but theres nothing to make because Gilbert exhausted everything to give lebron what he wanted. Yet lebron won't commit to anything yet expects the loyalty to be one sided, I say good riddance to him and his whiny ass crew. You're either with us or not. Its getting old and its looking alot like 2010
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
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I'll go out on a limb and say I'll be more surprised if LeBron leaves than stays. Windy said as much the other day as well that he gets the sense LeBron wants to stay in his hometown. Windy just put out a video on ESPN saying that if the Cavs don't make any moves, he's probably going to leave. I hope the Cavs don't make any moves. Like Lead is saying, he wants the loyalty to be completely one sided. The Cavs have to blow all their current assets in the hope that it improves us, and if it doesn't, Lebron will leave anyway. I think the relationship between him and Gilbert is unrepairable at this point, and I don't know why. Gilbert has basically done everything he could to appease Lebron and he's spent all of his money handing out overpriced contracts to his buddies. If Lebron doesn't like him because wrote a comic sans letter 8 years ago or because he's a "Trump fan" then he's pettier than I thought. If there's something deeper, then I don't know why it's not more public knowledge. At this point, Gilbert should probably just sell the team.
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