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I am not big on comparisons. Normally just try to judge guys as individuals.
However, every time I watch Allen I can't help not thinking of Elway.
So similar in so many ways.
Big, strong, athletic guys with monster arms and running ability.
I remember all the hype around Elway. Then when he played I was thinking this guys a bum. He is an interception machine.
But in the end when he put all together he became great.
I was never a fan of his but I respected his talent.
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My feeling exactly. He was a huge whiner too at the beginning of his career, it took some seasoning and some big losses (IMO) for him to settle into himself. His escapability and ability to throw on the run used to infuriate me. 
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Just on a side note to kind of tell you what type of arm this kid really has, he threw what 66.4 mph at the senior bowl, I just saw on YouTube where the NFL network had a mini duel between Derek Carr and Patrick Mahommes(who has a huge arm), Derek’s best was 57 mph and Mahommes was 62, Allen three 66, that’s ridiculous. If he can throw a football 66.4 MPH, imagine what he could do with a baseball. Kid might be in the wrong sport. With the last pick of the second round in the 1981 draft, the New York Yankees selected Stanford outfielder John Elway and gave him a $140,000 bonus -- more than No. 1 overall pick Mike Moore received that year. Six picks later, the San Diego Padres selected another college outfielder: future Hall of Famer Tony Gwynn. Link
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If you watch Allen's tape from 2016 and 2017 you see a lot of what I am talking about.
That is why Allen is so tough to come to a final conclusion on.
Any coach would drool over coaching him. One he has incredible upside, two all reports are this guy takes to coaching. Wants to be great and will due what it takes to get there.
He is currently rooming and training with Darnold. They have become friends. I hope they show some of that training film.
Both seem to have similar personalities.
Allen represents high risk and high reward if he reaches his potential.
I am in Darnold's camp. Really like the guy. Love his instincts and accuracy. And his ability to make plays in or out of the pocket.
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I like Allen a lot. I like Darnold a lot. I like Rosen a lot. My concern with Rosen is his concussion issue, and whether he will be able to or will want to play 10-15 years. I don't think we have that issue with Allen or Darnold, and I believe both will develop into superior NFL QBs. It's just that Rosen is so damn ready right now, and his accuracy and ability to read the field aren't advantages that can be taken lightly. I guess I have to trust the process. If I'm being honest with myself, I'm happy with any of the three. Not so much with Mayfield, but if that's who they take, then that's who I'll root for. I will not be surprised if it comes down to a choice between Allen or Darnold.
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For a long time I have had this between Rosen and Darnold.
But I can see why Allen could be enticing.
And over time Mayfield has grown on me. He gets results. He is accurate. Has good touch. Has good instincts. The things that bothers me with him is size and speed.
In the end I would rank them: Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Mayfield. Which means nothing; they could all do well. However, it usually does not work that way.
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1. Speed of the ball has limited advantages it is way down my list of variables to evaluate a QB.
2. In lieu of the recent posts likening Allen to Elway...I'd like to say it just very well will be that he will go to the Broncos at #5.
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Speed. Should have been more clear.
What I am talking about is foot speed.
Mayfield looks slow footed to me. Will shall see at the combine.
I was watching some of his tape and I saw a lineman run him down.
The one clear difference between college and the pros is speed. Nfl pass rushers are super fast. DE's rush linebackers etc.
Mayfield does a lot of things well. However, he can't grow taller and he will not run faster than he does now.
I have thought for quite some time if Allen is there; the Broncos will take him.
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Mayfield is slow. And it will be interesting to see how grown ass men in the NFL are going to react when he starts shoving them as some motivational tool. LOL
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I know what you mean regarding Mayfields speed.We will see at the combine I actually was surprised at the reported 40 speed of Mayfield. But I did watch a lot and that kid did get beat up. There were some games I thought he was out and then there he was limping back in. Teams came out with the intentions of punishing him and they did indeed. So possibly as the year went on he did slow down.
Quite frankly I don't want a running QB but one that can extend the play when needed.
Of course when teams over play the run we will take advantage of that if their tendency is to ignore the QB. Like Dalton did in Cinnci in his best year under Hue. Big Ben was hit a lot as a young NFL QB and I think that took its toll so when Haley took over that really was not an option for Big Ben in his aging years.
Mayfield is tough but I don't want him to run. Allen is a better athlete in that regard but its tough to judge speed in college cause the big difference from good conferences and so so ones is usually over all speed. So when you get to division II stuff somebody might appear to be real fast but when you compare apples to apples its a different story. Which is the only reason I like to see the 40 runs to get an idea of just exactly how fast they are in game speed.
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Barkley at one
Darnold
Rosen
Allen
Mayfield
two of them will be at 4 regardless, all have their warts, all could succeed or fail..... I prefer Allen
McCarron as a vet to mentor.
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Josh Allen??? Who is this guy?
If you are looking for potential this is the guy.
Looking back over many years I have seen a large number of college quarterbacks coming into the NFL. Rarely do you see the kind of pure talent that Josh Allen has.
His background is surprisingly similar to Carson Wentz. He even played for the same coach. Both guys were not on the recruiters radar. Both guys played multiple sports rather than concentrating on one. Both ending up playing for small schools because nobody else was interested.
Allen is a challenge to evaluate. His numbers are not so good. I watched a game against Nebraska where it looked he was playing catch with the wrong team. I have seen him miss layup throws. At times throw the ball behind guys on simple passes.
At the same time I have seen him make throws that few people could make.
He is big, strong, fast and tough. When he releases the ball it jumps from his hand. Have not seen a guy fire the ball like that since Marino. He has rare arm ability. I watched his game film but he is one guy who is worth looking at a highlight reel. The reason is because you get to see a bunch of throws that just blow your mind.
He is a strong runner with excellent speed. Can throw on the run and make it look easy. He can reach any spot on the field. He can play in or out of the pocket.
The problem has been production and consistency. And that is a problem. He leaves plays on the field that should be made. He makes questionable decisions.
He is difficult to figure out because it hard to tell if some of the issues are a product of the talent around him. Are the mistakes a lack of experience and part of the learning curve all young quarterbacks go through? Or, will they part of who he is? Will he outgrow the errors or will he not?
Like Mahomes last year someone will see a rose others will see the thorns.
Josh Allen really intrigues me. If this guy can put it all together man you got a gem.
He is a great example why it so difficult to forecast quarterbacks into the NFL. Is he another Jake Locker or Dan Marino?
I would not take him as the first pick. Just too risky. However I would take him in the first round. It would all depend on who was taken before him.
At the same time I would love to get this guy just based upon his upside.
You can say the same things about Darnold who many are saying the Browns are going to take at 1. I'm really not that impressed with any of the top QB prospects in this draft.
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Darnold is more consistently accurate.
Their completion percentage reflects that.
In addition at this stage Darnold displays more situation awareness. He makes better decisions.
They are similar as athletes. Both can move, extend plays and throw on the run.
The difference is Darnold played in a more competitive arena. He proved time and time again that when a big play was needed; he delivered.
As far as QB in this draft I totally disagree.
Darnold and Rosen would be considered to notch prospects in any draft.
Allen and Mayfield are first round guys and both could prove to be very good.
Jackson and Rudolph are different types but both bring good skillsets and are considered good prospects.
If anything this is a very deep draft at quarterback.
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Agreed. This is a very deep draft at QB. There is something to like in the top rated 6 QB's as well as something too not like. They all could develop into good starters with the right coaching. We will debate who we should take from now until draft day but in the end MR. Dorsey will make the pick and I for one believe he will make the right one. JMO
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