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I think something big is about to happen.

Yeah, I don’t remember this ever happening before.

Bellichek to Browns!!! (Lol a guy can dream)

Maybe he heard bad news about Luck?

J/C

No matter his reasons, this is a bad look for McDaniel. Other than NE, how can any team take him seriously as a candidate in the future?

Maybe the only team he needs to take him seriously is New England?

I would have to think that's a big part of it at this point, Vers.

Yeah, it probably is. The timing of his decision is very unusual.

Do you remember what went down w/BB and the Jets/Pats years ago? There were crazy ass moves made at the last minute in that case, as well.

Dude always seemed like a flake.

Oh, yeah I forgot about that. I believe that may have even involved draft picks, but I could be mistaken. Ironically, Belichick is connected to both.

Yep, that is what I was thinking.

Here is my wild speculative post. I think that perhaps BB coaches next year and then either retires or moves on and Josh becomes NE's HC in 2019.

Do you think that is farfetched?

I agree. Head coach in wait??


None the less, this won't hurt his chances for a head coaching gig down the road except with the Colt's.

I am sure a few teams were happy to hear this news.

I would think a Pats would have to promise a HC gig soon. Just the money difference has to be HUGE. Millions....

Not far-fetched at all. I wouldn't be shocked at all if that happens. I'll be mildly shocked if he takes over this year.

Good point. I was going to mention that, but didn't want to get too crazy. LOL

More farfetched than outright firing of Bellichic by Pat's owner before the start of next season, is what I think.
If Bill and Tom really are on the outs, and the owner choses Tom over Bill then it's pretty simple outcome from there.

I wonder if Belichick has informed the team that he will retire in a year or 2. I cannot imagine McDaniels giving up his 2nd chance at being Head Coach of a team, especially when he has now screwed over a team that wanted to, and had agreed to, hire him. This could well be the last shot he gets at Head Coach, outside of New England.

I would also add that he has no guarantees as to what the team will look like post-Belichick. Maybe Brady rides off into the sunset along with Belichick. This team, minus Tom Brady, is hardly a fantastic opportunity.

Really strange.

Josh McDaniels spurns Colts at the last minute to stay with the Patriots - CBSSports.com
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-...-with-patriots/

On Tuesday morning, the Colts announced that they hired Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels to fill their head-coach vacancy. By Tuesday night, the Colts were without a coach again.

As first reported by ESPN's Adam Schefter and confirmed by CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora, McDaniels spurned the Colts to remain in New England. Schefter reported McDaniels hadn't yet signed his contract yet and was having doubts all along about taking the job. Patriots owner Robert Kraft then sweetened McDaniels' contract to further incentivize him to stay.
La Canfora reports:

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Sources said Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick made a strong, concerted effort to keep McDaniels. Altering his contract, enticing him to stay
8:14 PM - Feb 6, 2018
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ESPN's Mike Reiss reported that "clarity on Bill Belichick's status in New England" and "stability" for his family were the primary reasons for McDaniels' sudden and unexpected change of heart. Reiss made it clear that Belichick is not retiring before the 2018 season.
Schefter reiterated that point in his story:

McDaniels' decision to stay could spark speculation that perhaps Belichick's tenure is about to end, but those close to McDaniels say that isn't the case -- and if it was, he would have been more inclined to leave, a source told ESPN's Mike Reiss. The bigger factor to McDaniels was that the Patriots, who hadn't addressed his future until the last week or so, made an ultra-aggressive late push to try to entice him to stay. Had that happened a month or so ago, and there was clarity that Belichick was definitely going to be coach in 2018 (which he decisively is), McDaniels might not have pursued other head-coaching jobs as aggressively as he did.

This is an absolute shocker right up there with Belichick's decision to spurn the Jets before he landed in New England. For pretty much the entire duration of the postseason, the Colts-McDaniels marriage was expected. The only holdup was the Patriots' ongoing Super Bowl run. Sure enough, two days after the Patriots lost to the Eagles in Super Bowl LII, the Colts made it official, even scheduling a press conference to introduce their new coach.

It's a devastating blow for the Colts, who thought they had their offensive guru to coach franchise quarterback Andrew Luck. By waiting for McDaniels to become officially available during the Patriots' Super Bowl run, the Colts missed out on other top candidates. Now, they'll be left scrambling to find someone to take the job that McDaniels turned down.
The Indianapolis Star's Stephen Holder reported that general manager Chris Ballard has "another candidate in his back pocket" while La Canfora reported that Chiefs special teams coordinator Dave Toub could be in play. The two know each other from their days together in Kansas City.

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Chris Ballard had another candidate in his back pocket that I was never able to identify. But there was definitely someone. I know this for a fact. Gotta be the next phone call.
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One candidate to "replace" McDaniels in Indy, is Chiefs special teams coach Dave Toub. Close relationship w/GM Chris Ballard.
7:57 PM - Feb 6, 2018


Keep in mind: The Colts already hired assistants who were expecting to work under McDaniels.

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The Colts' assistants you've seen reported (e.g. Matt Eberflus as DC) have signed contracts and have been in the team's building, sources say. Indications are they'll still be with the team, albeit under a different HC than McDaniels.


It's a huge loss for the Colts, but it's a huge win for the Patriots. Once again, the Patriots have demolished the Colts in a way that leaves the Colts feeling screwed over. The Patriots already lost defensive coordinator Matt Patricia, who left to be the Lions' new coach, and figured to be losing McDaniels as well. Now, their entire offense won't be forced to undergo a period of transition under a new coordinator. Tom Brady gets his beloved quarterbacks coach back. Somehow, two days after losing a heartbreaking Super Bowl, the Patriots are winners again.

As for McDaniels, this likely won't reflect well upon him. Somehow, his second stint as a head coach -- if this even qualifies as a stint -- ended worse than his first stint, when he flamed out in Denver after going 11-17 as the Broncos coach from 2009-10. Schefter reported that McDaniels, 41, still wants to be a head coach at some point in the future, but it might be difficult now to find a team willing to wait during a Patriots playoff run for him to sign a contract. Then again, if McDaniels waits long enough in New England, he might just be able to take over when Belichick, 65, eventually retires.

BB could just be done now, though. I don't picture him as the type to give a warning (to anyone but Kraft) he's about to retire.

Anyone that fired a head coach that went to 8 Super Bowls and won 5 would be insane. The fanbase would lose their minds. Bill Belichick has a job as long as he wants one. I suspect though that he is close to ready to retire. Had they won on Sunday he might have announced it then and there. Also, I wouldn't discount the hearing bad things about Lucks health rumor... Without Luck Indy isn't doing much. Same can be said about New England though. One of these seasons Brady will show up and just not have it any longer. Then the Pats have a big problem. Unless he has it IN WRITING that he WILL be the next head coach? Turning down a HC job anywhere besides Cleveland isn't very smart. A handshake job now might end up being a "sorry but we have decided to go another direction" later...

The bad thing, the thing that makes McDaniel look like a jerk is that they waited around for him. He told them he wanted the job so they waited all this time for him. Now they have to not only find an HC in a shortened time frame but that coach will have a hard time filling out a staff. Had McDaniel told them no weeks ago they would already have an HC and would be well underway filling out his staff. That's a pretty big screw you from McDaniels to the Colts. He hurt them pretty badly by doing this.

Worse dude, they'd already started filling out the coaching staff and you'd have to think that these dudes were hand picked by the incoming HC.

Now whatever scraps they can get for HC is gonna inherit McDaniels' coaches. What a mess.

That would never happen. Even if the relationship between Owner and Coach was irreparable, Kraft could easily trade Belichick to just about any team for a bounty of draft picks.

Somehow the Browns look slightly less dysfunctional today.;)

McDaniels seems like a flake. Waffles year in and out about becoming a HC.

It's possible he'll take over for Belichik when he retires, but Belichik seems like the kind of guy that would despise retirement.

Wow Colts waited and now a last minute middle finger. Hopefully they had backup plans.

My first thought was that Bill is on his way out sooner than later. What I’m anxious to see is how the NFL will deal with this (if it happens) in regards to the Rooney Rule. No way they can let them get away with this without some consequence?

Yeah, that is one of the reasons I said BB coaches one more year and Josh takes over the following year. Just speculating, though. No proof or facts.

Is bill going to retire?

Maybe Bill leaves the pats?

I am just speculating, bro. No proof of any of that.

Yes, I know that. All of this is speculation.

Here is another reasons I said McDaniels might take over in 2019.


It doesn't say that Bill is not retiring in the "foreseeable future." It specifically states "before the 2018 season."

Factor that in w/Josh turning down a HC job in Indy and staying in NE this year.

That is why I am speculating that perhaps Josh has been promised to be Bill's heir apparent and it could be as soon as the 2019 season.

Okay, some may see this as crazy talk. But hear me out.

Ever since the middle of last year when Jim Irsay called Luck out, saying the injury was "all in his head" and he thought Luck should already been playing, I have had this suspicion that the Colts will trade Luck.

So if McDaniels accepted the job after interviewing, but then went in for a meeting after the Super Bowl, only to hear that Irsay is trading Luck, wouldn't this also make McDaniels back out of the job. Who wants to start a coaching job in total rebuild (ask Hue Jackson about that).

The dream scenario that I keep seeing played out in my head is this. Hot head Irsay is upset with Luck. He traded for a younger, cheaper Brissett and he looked "serviceable". The Colts as a whole are god awful! They lack talent, playmakers, and the core of the team is up there in age. So, if you want to start from scratch, you can't have a $28 million dollar QB.

So, Irsay trades Luck to the Browns for either #1 or #4 overall, and he now has 2 picks in the top 4, and has a lot of cap space to start over. That is a great way to start a team!

We then have Luck (of course pending a deep and invasive physical by trusted doctors), behind the best offensive line he has EVER played behind. He has Gordon, Coleman, and hopefully another free agent WR, PLUS Barkley. All of a sudden, we have an offense!!!

I know it seems a bit far fetched, but I can't help but think it could be an underlying reason McDaniels left?

That is an interesting and plausible theory, but I would guess that Josh talked about Luck's status while interviewing w/the Colts earlier.

Vers, could it be there is an organization that is more dysfunctional than we've been?

Irsay is a clown. We have some good guys now. We'll be moving up the charts quickly.

I'll believe it when I see it. First, we need a QB. Then we need an RB. Then we need a #1 WR. That's just on offense. There are a lot of holes on this team and we have to hope the new offense isn't as pass happy.

Sorry, not a chance.

And then I found this too...

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/961059785561997312

FWIW: On Sunday, ESPN's @mortreport reported there still are doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he could wind up needing additional surgery.

From the comments section:

Here's JM after reading that tweet:

Either:

A: Bill is gone in a year or two
B: Luck is not ever going to return to form