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Just a point, Dorsey has shown a propensity to ignor character issues when drafting players, take Marcus Peters and Tyreek Hill for example.

What rounds were these guys picked in? I think Hill was 5th round? Peters 2nd or 3rd? Dorsey might be willing to gamble on talent over character in the mid to late rounds but will he in the 1st, especially #1 overall?

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I'm curious how many here are saying they are proud of Josh Gordon and happy to have him here, but in the next breath say they wouldn't give Mayfield the time of day because of one public intox arrest.

This is a really good point - for all the people that don't want Mayfield, very few make compelling on-field arguments.

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I'm curious how many here are saying they are proud of Josh Gordon and happy to have him here, but in the next breath say they wouldn't give Mayfield the time of day because of one public intox arrest.

I have an on-field argument. Here are some of my concerns and/or dislikes:

--He doesn't take 3, 5, and 7 step drops because he is always in the gun. That will have to be taught and it is not as easy as some think.

--I think he has happy feet in the pocket and often gets his feet out of whack. I see him making too many throws w/his back foot ending up in front of his lead foot.

--He throws to huge windows and I haven't seen him make very many throws into tight windows.

--I think his OL was the best in the nation [and that is pretty much agreed upon by most college football guys] and he has all day to throw.

--I see him holding the ball too long to wait for guys to come open. No anticipation. He'll get sacked often in the NFL if he tries that crap.

--He abandons the pocket too early and too often. He'll have this huge pocket and start drifting out of of it for absolutely no reason.

--He is slow. He isn't going to run away from anyone in the NFL.

--His deep drops to overcome his height will lead to more sacks because tackles are taught to push their defender beyond the pocket.

--His competition was putrid. Yeah, there are good offenses in his conference, but the Big 12 defenses suck. Year after year, Big 12 QBs put up these huge numbers that do not translate to the NFL.

I would not draft the dude before round 3.

Mayfield has proven that he can compete at a high level in college.

He has overcome many obstacles to accomplish what he has done.

However, at this point for the Browns could Mayfield really be considered to be worth the first pick in the this years draft?

I can not see that.

There is nothing that he can do better than Rosen and Darnold.

Is he a first round pick? Probably. He has shown the ability to work hard and find a way. I take nothing away from him. But I do not consider him to be the best quarterback prospect in this draft.

And that is what this is about.

Pick numero uno.

He may well overcome that. But come on Rosen can do all that today. Darnold has shown he will be able to do that and more. Like throw with incredible accuracy on the move.

Some mature and some don't. It isn't a given. We've witnessed enough of that first hand that it's beyond obvious to many of us.

Former Washington G.M. Scot McCloughan has remained busy after being fired by the team last year. He quickly relaunched his scouting service — and he continues to operate his scouting service now.

Contrary to the impression created by a report that surfaced prior to the Super Bowl, McCloughan hasn’t limited himself to the Browns or any one team. McCloughan has multiple teams to whom he provides scouting services

Like ANY of these guys act like they've been there...

Lol. It's Pick on Mayfield Day. I'll join.

I DESPISE this punk.

I also don't like that BS running down the sidelines doing the windmill thing when scoring. That's BEGGING for the next hit on you to be HARDER and maybe higher or lower.

ACT like you've been there.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...outing-service/

Where does conflict of interest come into the picture?

You keep boiling it down to the one arrest, but that's not everything.

I also don't like that BS running down the sidelines doing the windmill thing when scoring. That's BEGGING for the next hit on you to be HARDER and maybe higher or lower.

Name me the last qb to throw a football at an opposing player in the pregame and injure him? Who the hell does something like that?

I'm not really trying to pick on him. To pick on him I would have to make things up. I'm actually stating the truth.

More false news....

Video of Baker Mayfield drilling TCU foe is damning

https://nypost.com/2017/12/01/video-of-baker-mayfield-drilling-tcu-foe-in-the-head-is-back/

More false news....

Baker Mayfield throwing footballs at opposing players? TCU’s Gary Patterson had a good bit to say about that
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TCU and Oklahoma play for the Big 12 Championship on Saturday.
By Morgan Moriarty@Morgan_Moriarty Updated Dec 2, 2017, 11:40am EST

The Big 12 Championship is this Saturday between Oklahoma and TCU, and Horned Frogs head coach Gary Patterson had a good bit to say about Sooners QB Baker Mayfield during his weekly presser.

Before these two teams’ game earlier this month, Mayfield sarcastically clapped at TCU as they ran out on the field, and he even threw a football that hit one:

The reason TCU had to come out so close to Oklahoma for warmups is where Patterson’s team was told to come out of the locker room. Here’s what he had to say about that and Mayfield on Tuesday, via Frogs O’ War:

We asked the guy that was in charge and he said, ‘I don’t know which way to send you.’

Even as the head coach I had to go through their warmup lines to get down to our end of the field. And I wouldn’t have said anything if coach Riley hadn’t made the remark that our guy wouldn’t have gotten hit with the ball if he hadn’t run through the stretch lines. TCU in 20 years has never run through anyone’s stretch lines. We don’t act that way. You’ve never seen us go out to the middle of the field and yell at each other and do all that. And we’ve had plenty of teams try to get us to do it. That’s not the way we act.

I don’t really appreciate them trying to say that we were in the wrong, because that was okay to let a quarterback throw a ball and hit a guy in the head that hasn’t played for two weeks.

Now we all know that Mayfield isn’t your typical poster-child quarterback after the Kansas crotch-grabbing antics that caused him to miss two plays last week and get publicly reprimanded by the Big 12. But Patterson went on to say that while Mayfield was at Texas Tech, where he played in 2013, the signal caller was known for hitting opposing players in the head with footballs:

Now I’m not saying that was the reason, but I’m just gonna give you a little history. Baker played at Texas Tech, and Lincoln was at Texas Tech, and I have a coach that was at Texas Tech and it was common practice. And there was a Texas Tech pretty well known quarterback that hit a guy from A&M in the head, and they all thought it was funny to throw balls and do those kind of things. And it’s their prerogative, they can do whatever they want to, we’re just not going to here.

But I’m not going to make this game, because it’s a championship game, about all that stuff. But if they want to bring it out into the open and they want to call us out they can do it. They said we were the ones trying to cause all the problems, I beg to differ.

But, we’re going to play Saturday, and hopefully it’ll be two football teams that are playing with high intensity the right way, without talking.

I certainly would hate to see Mayfield accidentally throw a football at one of the TCU players this weekend in Dallas, wouldn’t you?!

Mayfield transferred to Oklahoma after Texas Tech hadn’t offered him a scholarship for the spring semester in 2014. Patterson’s tone toward Mayfield is a bit of a changed one from the past — after Mayfield transferred, Patterson spoke up for Texas Tech, accusing Mayfield’s dad of being a pain:

Just spoke with TCU coach Gary Patterson, who, while at practice for the Horned Frogs' Alamo Bowl match-up vs Oregon, called over the coach who recruited Mayfield, DC Chad Glasgow. "When did we tell Baker Mayfield he wasn't getting a scholarship?"

"First week of January," I heard Glasgow respond.

Patterson: "I like Baker Mayfield. I think he's a good kid and that's what disappoints me.

"If Baker Mayfield wants to blame TCU for 128 BCS schools not offering him a scholarship, that's fine. But ask Kliff Kingsbury why he didn't offer him a scholarship at Texas Tech. Ask about Baker's dad [James]. He's an arrogant guy who thinks he knows everything. If people knew the whole story, they might not have a great opinion of Baker or his father."

My guess is this won’t be the last we hear about all of this football-throwin’.


https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...12-championship