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Who was responsible for executing the plays that were called?

It's funny. When the plays that are called get executed properly, it's a brilliant game plan. When the players can't or don't execute the plays that re called, people want to blame the person that called the plays.

Whose responsible for calling plays that put the players in a position to suceed? ...

This could go on FOREVER ...

U guys can squabble all u want .. its really not that hard ...

HUE HAD NO TALENT TO WORK WITH .... and ... HUE DID NOT RUN THE BALL ENOUGH and HE UNDERUTILIZED DUKE ...

It was a combo of NO TALENT and BAD PLAY CALLING ...

For either side to try and place all the blame on the other side is just STUPID!!!

But it's fun! lmao

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They sure do make having fun real easy ...

For you guys...

:-p

This may be a question that was asked further up in this thread,,,,

Anyone think this might be a good idea?

Trade two second rounders for Nick Foles, use one of our first round picks on a QB and whatever else you think is needed.


Or is it better to go after AJ MaCaron for immediate help.

Flip a coin.. Not sure Foles will be on the market. With the Wentz injury they need insurance. Also depends on A.J's status after his free agency hearing and what it will cost to get him . I have a feeling this head office group wont mortgage a lot for a possible "stop gap" AND spend the number one pick for his replacement in a year or less.

With (5) of the first (65) picks available to us in this draft, we better not use up (3) of them on a QB(s).

If we get Cousins or Foles, I don't think we take a QB in the top (65). If we get any other FA QB in here, we are taking a QB at 1 or 4. JMO

I just saw on the Brown's official website they have "Junior reporter with..." episode with Cody Kessler.

Almost forgot we had him, but assume we'll cut him soon anyway.

Keeping Foles, the Eagles will be taking a risk to try and minimize a risk. Net value could be null. If they hold onto Foles because of Wentz’s status and Foles starts the year poorly, his trade value drops and they only have until the end of Oct to get a deal done. Right now Foles value is the highest it’s going to be. Trading him and picking up someone else to hold down the fort if Wentz isn’t ready, could easily maximize their return on investment in Foles and reduce their risk of getting nothing for him before he becomes an FA in 2019.

I believe that there is no scenario the should stop us from drafting one of the four top QB.S in the 2018 Draft no matter what FA that we land..... from what I saw on film is that they are all great college players. I have no clue on which one would be the guy here but he hopefully it will be the right one.

If we sign one of Foles or Cousins, the intention is that they start until their career is over or until their skills "diminish". Drafting a "top 4" QB only to have him sit through his rookie contract would be silly. We have too many needs to do that AND the trade capital at 1/4 would be tremendous. Also, part of drawing one of those guys here is the draft capital and cap space we have to build a team for him.

That said, I don't think we will get either of those two guys...so I expect we will be taking a QB at 1 or 4.

Very good observation. I think Dorsey will sign a veteran QB other than Keenum or Cousins to keep the seat warm until Mayfield is ready to start. Yes I think Mayfield is their choice at #1.

Why would Foles not be considered immediate help and MCCarron would?

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Thats one of his more logical questions ...

Foles would be the perfect fit until Baker learns the ropes!

My concern with Foles is that he may be a product of the system.

You guys throw names around like confetti.

Explain to us WHY Philly would drop their #2 QB when Wentz won't be ready for even training camp, and potentially game 1.

And if we wait until 4 for a QB, Dorsey needs to be FIRED.

Unconcern yourself Cal.
Foles excelled in Chip Kelly's whatever you call it,and he did the same in Philly's updated WCO.
He wasn't good under Jeff Fisher,but that could be said for many QBs.
But it's going to take a lot to free him from the Eagles,my guess would be at least a 1st rounder.

I would say that Foles did well in the RPO but struggled when asked to read coverages and go quickly through his progressions.

My concern with McCarron is that he may suck.

Kirk Cousins 1, AJ 2

I need Deshaun to sit back for a bit and learn. I still have the hope for him

There is a lot of delusional thinking going on here.

The Alex Smith stuff....the Cousins stuff...

Come on.

Let's keep it real.

We will prolly draft a QB #1. (Let's pick one who might actually want to play here. *coughnotrosencough*

BUT in all reality, no Veteran QB of any value will ever come here, EVER.

Let me say that again. They won't come here EVER.

Not until we get a winning regime going.

So suck it up.

Because Kizer is gonna be the starter next season, and whoever we draft is gonna sit.

At least, until the point the QB controversy starts.

Then we have a totally different, but not unfamiliar drama. (haha)

I have seen enough of Kizer; roll with a vet and pick a QB #1. I think a few QB's might be lured by a payday.

It is dismal and could be more of the same. But we need this to get done and have a good draft.

...I could see a Bradford-Mayfield combo here. Not advocating for it, but it's a situation that seems more likely than some others.

McCarron/Darnold/Kizer

If Foles is as you say, ( a product of the system), he did very well in that system. Won the Super Bowl MVP. All QBs do better in the right system that fits their skills. You must be able to build around your QB. If we were to get Foles it would make sense to put him in that system. With that said the Eagles will not deal Foles with Wentz coming off injury.

Yeah, Kizer is about cashed out. Look at Goff though, pretty sketchy season but playing elite after an offseason.

I haven't fully written him off, but it's so close. Short leash, if you will. Accuracy and so much more needs to improve.

This is "your choice?"

This has gotten pretty far off track. It was supposed to be about "Your Choice for our starting QB? Not about dissing other guys. Not about what you think will happen. Instead, it was supposed to be about who you wanted to be our starting qb and you can even include the backups if you wanted.

I asked for that criteria because I was going to organize the data and lay out a summary of our thoughts. I thought that might be interesting to look at. I also thought it could possibly stop some revisionist history [in the future] if you know what I mean. LOL

There are so many posts that are not on topic though that I doubt I'll be able to post any type of evaluation. If any of you want to get back on track, that would be cool. If not, that's fine, too.

Yes - McCarron as the "Vet" with knowledge of Hue's offense, Darnold waiting in the wings, and Kizer as the 3rd chair.

Okay, thank you.

It's scary to think McCarron could be another Kessler, or Darnold another Bortles. With Mayfield, you get instant fireworks. We will know where the front office stands in about a month. Hang tight. Please, no Rosen!

You never cease to amaze me.

The only system he wasn't good in was Jeff Fisher's system, but then no QB except McNair was good playing under the guy.

Plus....does the system make the player or does the player make the system?

I think the player makes the system work.

I know the SB win makes everyone gushy, but Foles wasn't doing so well in Pederson's system until he went back and reviewed tape from Foles'/Kelly's 2013 season and integrated parts of that system into his own to help Foles succeed. Of course that is excellent coaching on Pederson's part but I have to wonder if Foles' success isn't system based. Also, there's the issue that Foles didn't have much success in 2014 when Kelly altered his system.

I think a McCaron/Bradford vet, with Kizer and Mayfield, would make a good QB room. I have watched Mayfield for the past two year being a TCU fan and he is special. He has a swagger that the Browns could use. His ability to make all the throws both in the pocket and on the move is well documented. He is no Johnny Manzell. Thx

Its a funny thing about Mayfield. Some guys see a Drew Brees-Fran Tarkenton combo and some others (me included) see "Colt Manziel". I really think he would be a very polarizing pick among the fans, so if the Browns like him, they better really, really like him. My approach, especially in the AFC North, and in the climate we play in, is that we need a prototype size QB (6-4+ and 235-240) with the ability to take a hit and with a big arm.

versatile, I would not mind deshone being our bridge qb. he knows our system ( I hope it does not change too much with our new oc) and should be given the chance to start. we should sign a veteran to serve as a mentor to our two young qbs. I would not want to use a draft pick to bring in this guy. He should be a fa. It would be important that he know the role we envision for him. When it comes to the draft it might be a copout but we have hired several fo guys for their expertise and I will trust their judgement. If I had to make the call right now I would pick Rosen.

The only qb decision that would anger me would be to not take a qb at the top and picking a second or third round developmental qb. We need to get our elite franchise guy while we are sitting at the top of the draft. I do not think we will be here again.