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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
How can they withdraw funds from a HSA for a friday night out?

Not questioning YOU, per se, just wondering, overall.

Our HSA must be monitored closer than some?

My HSA comes with a MasterCard... you can use it just like a credit card, spend it on whatever you want. You can use it at the doctors office, the pharmacy, the golf course, or the club.. doesn't matter.

The problem becomes if you get audited and you don't have receipts to show you spent that money on qualifying medical expenses, then the government wants their taxes on it.


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
How can they withdraw funds from a HSA for a friday night out?

Not questioning YOU, per se, just wondering, overall.

Our HSA must be monitored closer than some?

My HSA comes with a MasterCard... you can use it just like a credit card, spend it on whatever you want. You can use it at the doctors office, the pharmacy, the golf course, or the club.. doesn't matter.

The problem becomes if you get audited and you don't have receipts to show you spent that money on qualifying medical expenses, then the government wants their taxes on it.



Thanks. I guess I/we self monitor to the max.

Plus, we've had issues buying OTC stuff as well.

1 entity scares me: The IRS. They can literally seize your bank accounts for nothing other than "prove it. And until then, you don't have access to your savings, checking or anything else."

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
How can they withdraw funds from a HSA for a friday night out?

Not questioning YOU, per se, just wondering, overall.

Our HSA must be monitored closer than some?
I was going to ask the same question. There is no ability to withdraw cash from our HSA, and even if you did you would have to provide receipts for the medical related items you purchased with it .


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg


1 entity scares me: The IRS. They can literally seize your bank accounts for nothing other than "prove it. And until then, you don't have access to your savings, checking or anything else."



This is why eventually we'll all move to cryptocurrency. Unfortunately we'll all be dead by then.

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Originally Posted By: teedub
I have set on a few health care symposiums where everyone said that costs could be reduced 60 to 70% if people paid their bills.


If the delinquency rate is that high then I don't see how we'll ever have lower health care costs in our current system. Just following chickens and eggs here but:

- Medical Bill too expensive so it goes to collections
- Hospital can't collect so has to eat the cost, bakes it into the cost for next year to "recoup"
- Medical Bill is even more expensive next year, so even those who could afford to pay send it to collections instead
- Etc.

Heck, Credit Scores are now being adjusted to ignore medical collections because they have observed a difference in medical bills going uncollected and other bills going uncollected. If someone gets a $30k bill for a heart transplant, only the very wealthiest among us would pay that bill. If the bill was what it actually cost (using your 70% figure) at $9000, significantly more people would be able to pay that. On a payment plan for 24 months that's $375/mo.

Your proposal that people pay for health care up front is already happening. In several of my wife's tests/treatments we had to pay upfront what the expected deductible would be before she got treatment.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shot...efore-treatment

It also seems emergency treatments are requiring upfront payments:

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After arriving by ambulance at the emergency department, Susan Bradshaw lay on a gurney in her hospital gown with a surgical bonnet on her head, waiting to be wheeled into surgery to remove her appendix at a hospital near her home in Maitland, Fla. A woman in street clothes approached her. Identifying herself as the surgeon's office manager, she demanded that Bradshaw make her $1,400 insurance payment before the surgery could proceed.

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DCDAWG explained the HSA withdraw perfectly.

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