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[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/muw22wTePqQ[/video]

Good post. Eye opening because numbers don't lie.

1 + 1 = 2

and to double down on this...can you imagine what type of carbon footprint the US will have if the left pushes us to a population of 600 million....kinda flies in their face that they are concerned about US-made global climate change.

You do realize the entire population of the U.S. and Mexico combined is less than 600 million, right?

I pretty much agree with you on the immigration debate, but just making BS up doesn't help things.

Obviously did not watch the video to see where the 600 million number projection came from....i did not make it up...it was a calculation based on the current immigration rates since 1970 and reproduction rates of said immigrants going forward.

Wake up and smell the coffee Pit!
This doesn't just apply to Mexican immigration, it is immigration from Mexico, South and Central America and the ENTIRE WORLD!

Now, now, some might call you racist on here for that comment, we do allow immigration from other countries.

Lol this post is so stupid it makes my brain hurt. I wonder if the Cons on this board workshopped it.

Imagine worrying that the 3rd largest nation in the WORLD has 600 million people when the global population is 10 billion.

Cons are so stupid that they'll feign outrage on overpopulation but discourage all forms of birth control both domestically and internationally.

Leave it to an avowed Communist to support killing our own children in favor of overpopulating America with Foreigners.

Makes complete sense if you are looking to destroy America.

Cons on the other hand think allowing our own children to live while having a reasonable immigration policy will add to the health of America's future.

Look at this con who doesn't understand the word "international".

God the libs love using the biggest paint brush to label people. The claim the all conservatives oppose birth control is about as accurate as all blacks hate water.....

Birth control and abortion are not the same in my book.

You should tell congress and Trump that.

Calling out a broad generalization by using a broad generalization isn't really a good tactic to get your point across. That being said I do agree with you, as to my knowledge the biggest group of anti birth control would be the hardcore Catholics and they tend to vote for both parties (leaning Democrat).

I see nothing wrong with birth control. Hell I would love it if we could have mandatory birth control unless your married. Plus if you commit adultery then snip snip and yay for being spayed and neutered. I mean if your going to live like an animal you should be treated like one. It's the easiest way to stop 90% of our problems with cultural deficit and lack of morality. I mean if people just can't control themselves then let's do things the democrat way and treat them like idiots and manage them like cattle.

You don't have to worry about overpopulation at all after these measures are enacted because population growth would diminish so greatly we could easily keep our population down to 300 million.

We could even offer a money buy out for those willing to voluntarily be sterilized. Hell I know several people would jump at the chance. They don't want kids but they can't afford the operation. Hell I say reward them for knowing what they want and help them from making mistakes or having accidents.

Also with no unwanted births you also won't need to worry about abortion anymore. Just imagine not having to murder over 50,000 babies a year. That would be so awesome =)

Ahh Eugenics. And not just eugenics but forced eugenics if someone commits adultery? Even better. Why stop there? Why not step it up to Euthanasia for "undesirables" also. If our plan is to reduce the population and only keep "desirables" then why tie one hand behind our back? Let's tackle this problem from both ways. If we incorporated Euthanasia into our wild ideas we could get the population of the United States down to whatever arbitrary number we can come up with in a few months time, not generations.

In 1913 some women called for not marrying any man unless they made more than $5,000 a year, because any man who didn't do that well obviously wasn't worth reproducing with link . That's $124k in 2018 dollars. Perhaps we start by euthanizing anyone over the age of 35 that isn't making that much?

I swear I read the most bizarre opinion pieces on this forum. Thanks for making my day more interesting Razor. Just know that your ideas aren't new at all, and were adopted in the United States (and later the Nazis) many decades ago:

AMEN one stops you from getting preggers, while the other one kills babies.

So what you support is drunk little project girls having 3-5 kids by different men who they barely know so they can collect bigger welfare checks.

My idea doesn't stop them from being little sluts and I include men in that sentiment. It just stops procreations till they are ready to create a family and make a legal commitment to each other. I know it's impossible in this age or porn where even 10 year olds are being taught to be porn stars instead of being good husbands and wives because they are constantly fed porn from any accidental click.

It's not denying anyone the ability to form a family. It's not based on race or birth defects or any other criteria. It's just stating until your ready for marriage you should be on birth control. That is not eugenics.

Marriage should be taken seriously. I hate the casual attitude many have grown to have about it since divorce is so easy. To me if your going to create life together then you both need to be responsible towards the life you create by creating a stable family life. Not a family life torn to shreds because you got horny and said fug it. This kind of behavior is a choice not something you're born with. If you can't raise the kids you create and honor your promises to the spouse who created life with you then you shouldn't be allowed to continue creating more life to lay waste to when the urge strikes you and you can't keep your pants on. As an adulterer you have proven you are NOT a trustworthy person to entrust the creation of new and precious life.

It's a great privilege to find a spouse and create life together. It's a great destruction of our society to have single people randoming spawning kids and not giving a care about what happens to them afterwards.

Children deserve to be born into loving and stable families. My methods doesn't ensure that but it does greatly increase the chances of it happening. It doesn't stop anyone from having sex. It doesn't stop anyone from getting married and having kids except people who chose to be adulterers. It just prevents unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

Is it so bad to give kids the best chance at a happy life instead of being born into horror? I am happy to protect the children any day over people who can't keep their pants on. Also, I don't support killing anyone based on race or genetics. That is YOUR idea. Not mine.

Razor, allow me to examine your skull to see what race you are.

Think original Star Trek and the Nazi's.

I get that it's an unpopular idea but any idiot can look at the direction our country is headed and see we are headed towards self destruction as our cultural identity and moral fibers unravel as a society. At some point we will do what is needed to restore ourselves or be fools and keep being self destructive.

While I understand why you posted that and it is a bit extreme... wouldn't it be better if people were a little more discriminating in who they married (or more importantly, reproduced with) to at least ensure they could support a child or had a plan to support a child? or 2 children, or 3, or 5...

Your best response is to build a strawman in support of your eugenics program? Nice. I don't support what you claim above. What I support is liberty. What you propose is the decimation of personal liberty to further your own sense of morality.



Sometimes people use their freedom of liberty for things you don't agree with. What age do we start giving girls the pill as provided by the state in your mind? 18? 16? 12? What about girls who have bad reactions to the pill?

It's incredibly ironic that you want people to take personal responsibility, yet seem to blame pornography for why people would fail at marriage. Which is it?

I also know that this is not eugenics. I'll let you know which part of your argument is eugenics. Keep reading.



This is the eugenics part. It's well documented why eugenics is a bad idea so I don't feel the need to dig too deeply into it, other than to say that anyone who supports forced sterilization is taking an incredibly short sighted approach to problem solving. Rather than try to work to correct the behaviors that you don't like, you want to rip out body parts?



I agree that it's awesome to have a loving spouse and raise a family together. My wife and I have been together for 15 years, and we have 1 son and identical twin boys on the way. The problem with your argument is that you are projecting your opinion onto situations you haven't been a part of. My wife was born into one of those situations you describe but it was far from "born into horror." Her dad was a drug addict and alcoholic and bounced on child support leaving her to her single mom who worked multiple jobs to make ends meet and went to the grocery store late at night so her classmates didn't show she was on food stamps. But she feels she had a very happy childhood despite those problems. And instead of her turning into a failure; she's an awesome person and an awesome mother who has an incredible work ethic. You really should reconsider your viewpoint as I find it fallacious, and to be honest somewhat revolting.



I don't recall saying we should kill people based on race or genetics. Can you quote me where I said that?

I agree, it would be better if people were picky about who they have kids with. I agree with Razorthorns actually that it's not great to have a mother with 6 kids out of wedlock to six different dads, or for a deadbeat dad to have a kid and then bounce on said kid when the mom is pregnant. I have family in both of those situations I just described and I wouldn't say it's ideal.

But forced birth control and forced sterilization for adultery? Come on. It's incredibly Orwellian. We may not agree with our fellow Americans decisions, but we should understand that we have a country that allows people to make their own way through life.

I respectfully disagree, and offer my reasons why.



this observation/opinion has been made by every single generation since the dawn of this nation. No, check that- since the dawn of Man. It has always been the rallying cry of those who are personally more resistant to change. Lots of folks fit this profile, and they cut across all social stripes.



Our "cultural identity" is always (and has always been) in a perpetual state of evolution. Another example of resistance to change. The second half of the statement regarding moral fiber: again, used by every generation ever- while murder, adultery, theft, graft, sexual violence, bigotry, hypocrisy, [insert human failing here] have existed since the dawn of time.

Truth: mankind's 'moral fiber' has never been better at some other time in history. There is only nostalgia for a fictitious, sepia-toned 'America' that we think we remember, but never really existed at all.



There is nothing to restore, because going backwards is antithetical to physics, logic, and the human condition. There is only forward. As it's always been. We're going to keep 'making it up as we go,' while forgetting mistakes of the past. That's why progress is always a '2 steps forward/one step back' proposition.



just another .02

I have seen the word eugenics thrown around in this thread very loosely.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/eugenics

What razorthorns original posted in no way fits that definition...

And for every boy or girl that makes it out of a dead beat dad or mom (or typically both) there are dozens that don’t and resort to that same pattern in life....I know way do I support abortion...but I hate that we promote starting these kids of in the race of life with hands tied behind their back and shoe laces tied....


And I support liberty too.....but liberty does not involve financial incentive to support you having kids you cannot afford to have. And no that does not apply to the agreed social contract of education.

Well the alternative to not providing assistance to those people is homeless children, hungry or starving children, mistreated and abused children... Not helping the kids live a better life will not stop stupid people from reproducing.

I can't get behind anything that makes life worse for these children.

Except everything we do now does not actually help....I have a niece in this situation....my brother is a bad dad....in and out of jail...no child support....mom....has a decent county job but sleeps with every coworker she can....has been evicted from her houses 7 times in last 15 months....gets food stamps...gets EITC...gets free lunch program....get Medicaid for niece...gets gets gets...never any food in house....in fact the last house she rented didn’t have fridge so she went without a fridge till she got kicked out...left for Alabama last week for job training and left 12 yr old neice and 17 yr old step sister home alone....during that time repo man came and took family car and electric company disconnected electricity ...with no adult present....how do you explain that to a 12 yr old??? My mom and dad sued for every other weekend custody as grandparents....that’s the end of her stability.......her mom is getting tons of social help and scamming everyone....the help does not go towards neice....it goes to moms loose lifestyle. We are just throwing money away and getting crap in results...the system is a failure....we have tried to step in but are told we can’t do anything...infact we are told to do less because any help we give tells state officials she is meeting care standards despite mom’s actions and thus they see Mom as fit....we were told to let neice suffer to build a case against Mom...really....this is what our social service people suggest??? Wtf ever.

Sorry to hear that and I know that social services is lacking at best in this kind of situation. But imagine how much worse off things might get if she had nothing to work with. The kids are eating somewhere, some of it must be at home or even school food programs. I won't get behind taking those away.

So why treat the symptoms and not the cause....and I don’t mean via abortion.

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me. In fact I expect many folks not to. In our very liberalized society where we are taught to cherish individual freedoms no matter what people are mostly focused on self rather than country. Not always but these days mostly.

When I look at things I start from the big picture and looking at patterns spanning thousands of years. Then I narrow in for cause and effect. That is how my brain works and it tends to offend people. I am more than used to it.

Historical patterns all PROVE that society is not stagnant. Instead it moves in cycles that constantly repeat themselves. The number 1 factor in a successful society is the strength of families. Families that follow the natural pattern of Husband and Wife raising their kids together and all of them working to protect their elders. That is not speculation. It's pure fact.

Great empires always start off because they had a culture where family means everything and then family's unite with other families of like minds to form clans and create a culture that protects their way of life. Those cultures can vary quite a bit and there are certainly many models that work. The problem lies in surviving their success.

The more success you have the lenient and lazy you become in enforcing family values.It's easier to make excuses and let things slide because you have enough wealth that your survival is not threatened. Then it grows as a problem as a new subculture develops that undermines the culture that brought success. You allow that cousin or sibling to slide into decay. Then they have kids who are not brought up the right way so they don't fit into the main culture. They grow up with resentment and anger. They don't have great families so better families won't allow their kids to intermarry.

This creates an even greater cultural divide as the poor are forced into marrying other poor families and their kids are raised with even lower standards because they know they can't marry into the better families. After a while of multiple generations growing up in poverty marriage becomes unimportant because married or not they are too poor to gain any advantage from it. Then it's no longer about making a family but instead about having as many kids as possible so some will survive. Men instinctively seduce any willing woman and women instinctively pursue mean who can provide.

It just gets worse and worse until you have way more poor families who are angry all the time at those that have what they don't. Then one of two things ALWAYS happens. One, civil war,civil unrest, and riots happen when the government comes in and murders the poor. Some call it a culling. Think of the American Revolutionary War. Two, a country goes to war and drafts as many of the angry poor as they can and send them off to die. Think of the great depression followed by WW1 and WW2. Poor is thinned out and economic boom ensues. Then all whose kids from single parent homes multiply and the drugie nation is born. What to do? Draft them and send them to vietnam. The cycle goes on and on.

The only way to break the cycle of the falling nation is to restore what made it great. The nuclear family and a return to strong morals that are enforced. History shows over and over and over again that if you don't protect the family unit and enforce good morals the country always collapses. That not opinion. It's historical fact. The next 30 years will be very interesting for our country as we loom on the brink of both civil war and the next world war.

You might not like my way of doing it but it would certainly improve things a great deal very quickly. As far as allergic reactions and what age to start I would let doctors handle that question. Maybe it only will work with 90% of the population but that would still be a huge step in the right direction instead of using one or two exceptions to make an excuse to do nothing and let things fall apart because we are too lazy to do what is needed to protect our nation. I mean there is no perfect solution but at some point you have to do what you need to do. Also there are no body parts removed to be sterilized they just tie up your tubes. Hell many people already do it by choice so they don't have accidents already. In most cases its even reversible. It's not castration like your thinking of.

I am 100% NOT arguing in favor of that or anything like that, I hope you understand that.. (especially the second part, we should at least try to shame them with a scarlet A around their neck first... )...

I have no desire to be compassionate towards people who throw away their honor and destroy the lives of their family just because they got horny for someone new. It's not the same thing as a couple who just can't work it out and end up in divorce. At least it's not the same thing to me. To me an adulterer has a very serious character flaw that is destructive to society and should be prevented from multiplying.

It's not about having compassion for them. It's about not making their children suffer for their mistakes.

Then take the next logical step....create group homes and remove these children from the “mistake” parents...the current system, while nobel, keeps the “mistake” makers in charge.

Forced sterilization (Razorthorns proposed punishment to adultery) is most certainly a component of eugenics. I am not throwing the term around loosely or with intent to be bombastic. His additional comments on population control via this approach also tie in quite nicely with eugenics as a secondary goal of many eugenics programs was indeed controlling population.



I'm not going to pretend to have the answer to kids coming out of a bad home life and how we fix that. However I place abortion in the same category as I would forced sterilization or even forced birth control. Instead of people changing their behavior, those are just providing institutional controls that would actually reinforce the bad behavior that is being claimed to be morally bankrupt. The only appreciable difference (to me) of abortion vs. forced sterilization/bc is that abortion is elective whereas Razorthorn's proposals would be enforced by the state, which is incredibly anti-freedom.

A 3 year old child was just killed by a 27 year old ILLEGAL ... the 27 year old illegal could have been a dreamer ...

guess its OK with Pit if American Kids pay the price of the dreamers parents “mistakes” but not the dreamers (the actual kids of the parents that committed the “mistake”) ...

Sounds logical to me ... ..

I was almost positive you weren't I think we're on the same page here.

Have you grown into stupid? I know you didn't used to be. lol

I've always been against illegal immigration. Always. It's one issue we have always agreed on. But I guess I can't expect you to keep up. lmao

I see where you made your mistake. It was because you didn't actually read the thread. As usual the conversation had evolved to the point we weren't even talking about illegal immigration. It evolved into talking about unwanted pregnancy. About Razor saying poor people should be sterilized.

You really need to keep up with the conversation if you expect to make a point. In this instance you had a giant SWING and a miss.