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Tab, I enjoy reading your takes...but I'd appreciate some clarification from you on that one. Not picking a fight and you are not obligated to anything here...but I'd appreciate more detail from you on that one.

Reasonable take IMO...thanks

Obviously you're having trouble following along. Let me recap for you.

There has never been an NFL team sign a QB to top 10 starter money on the FA market and drafted a QB #1 in the draft during the same off season. It has simply never happened.

So Barney has been throwing hissy fits trying to find an example of it. He's used every trick in the book to try to avoid it, making false comparisons and ranting on and on about it. That's what got us to where we are now. lol

His desperate need to try to be right when there is simply no way in hell that he is has been a hilarious display to watch.

His theory is to sign Kirk Cousins and draft a QB #1 in the draft. While that would be a wonderful thing to do, I simply pointed out that never has an NFL team signed a FA QB to top 10 QB money and used the #1 pick in the draft both in one off season. He's been like a child throwing a temper tantrum in the grocery store ever since.

Never, in all of the 5 years that we are allowed to look at that is.

The rocket surgeon has spoken.

What part of this did you miss? I have stated more than once that you can use "the top ten money" instead of the 20+ million to help expand your parameters. You're welcome BTW! I'm not sure if your reading comprehension is failing you or if you just want to fight. lmao

The parameters that you keep changing so that you can finally have a point?

What happened there? Did someone point out that those parameters were a fallacy?

Actually I expanded the parameters to help you. And now you're whining about it.

LOL, you expanded them because I pointed out how you kept narrowing them so you would be right to the point that we were down to the last 5 years.

You only expanded them slightly. Their first pick still has to be that #1 pick so you can exclude 31 of the 32 teams every season.

Gotta keep those bets hedged!

Either you can come up with an example of "exactly what you propose we do" or you can't. You can make all of the excuses you like to explain why you can't if you like.

But it's a pretty simple concept. If you have the #1 pick, the cream of the crop to choose from when drafting a QB, you are in the best possible position to draft a QB. You aren't settling for the second, third or fourth QB in a draft. You get the best of the best.

You either believe in that QB's ability enough to invest the most valuable pick in the draft at that position or you don't. If you do, you don't pay a FA QB top 10 money. If you don't believe there is a QB worth the #1 pick in the draft at the QB position, you don't draft a QB at #1. Then you consider a top FA along with a pick at QB later.

You simply can't come up with the scenario you're proposing because it has never happened. But keep up the good fight. That's all you've got.

As soon as you can give me an example of a team that spent top 10 money and used pick #7 and only pick #7 you might have a point.

The fact is there are many teams that have done that with first round picks and you know that. That is why you are forced to throw in that #1 pick requirement.

Not top 5, not top 10, but #1 overall because that is the only way your house of cards works.

We started with teams that had a good QB and still drafted a QB in the first, you were looking awful silly in that argument so you had to keep tweaking it until I pointed out that you narrowed my choices down to only 5 teams in the last 5 years.

Only one guy is desperately reaching here and it ain't me.

Wah.

Can you guys take this circus to private messages?

It's really over. He can't answer a scenario that he is proposing. At this point it's just him whining about it.

Sorry cfrs, but I hit the same brick wall that you did.



Correct me if I am wrong, but you are a full grown adult, correct?

I'm just trying to communicate on a level that may actually get through to you. Adult communication hasn't worked to this point.

hmmm interesting thread

A.J. McCarron free agency ruling expected this week

Posted by Josh Alper on February 12, 2018, 8:05 AM EST

Bengals quarterback A.J. McCarron is set to find out his status for the offseason this week.

McCarron is challenging the Bengals’ decision to place him on the non-football injury list during his rookie season. McCarron hurt his shoulder and a year on the NFI list would mean that he’s a restricted free agent this offseason rather than an unrestricted one.

The NFI list is only for injuries suffered away from the team and McCarron has filed a grievance that is expected to be ruled on by an arbitrator on Wednesday.

If McCarron does hit the open market, he will likely draw a fair amount of interest from the teams addressing the quarterback position this offseason. If the arbitrator rules in favor of the Bengals, McCarron could hit the trade block after he was nearly dealt to the Browns before the trading deadline last year.

Actually under your scenario AJ wouldn't have to be valued as much as he would be under a trade scenario. A second and third round pick is quite a bit to give up to attain a player. Considering there is zero draft compensation that lessens the cost considerably.

If this FO plans to draft a QB #1 overall, you simply need someone to hold the reigns for a bit. I believe AJ could do that quite well. So I'm not sure that this FO will be looking to sign someone they value highly as much as they'll be looking for a temporary band aid at the QB position.

If we sign McCarron, someone should be giving us a 2nd round pick for taking him.

Brees is a great dream scenario signing. I just don't really see N. Orleans letting him get away. I don't see them having any plan in place moving forward. If they had invested in a draft pick in waiting to take over for Brees I think it would be a much more likely scenario.

But if you're looking for a talented QB of high character, a great team mate just an overall class guy, you certainly don't have to look any further than Brees!

Drew signing would be like... "the war is finally over" type ordeal. Can't see it happening though.

Agreed. I would just as soon keep Hogan.

McCarron is a PERFECT BRIDGE QB IMO ... but regardless ...

He will have a spot on an nfl roster for the foreseeable future ... Hogan will not be in the nfl in 2018 unless its on someone’s practice squad ...

McCarron ain’t all that ... but hes light years better than Hogan ... LIGHT YEARS ...

I would give Brees 30+ million before I'd even give half that number to Cousins.

Diam. It's MY OPINION. And only my opinion.

We Don't need a FA QB that is going to WIN NOW. It looks like many fans want that. That's where the Cousin's and Smith thing comes in. Desperate for WINS. SIT Rosen for a YEAR. Sit Darnold for upwards of 2 YEARS.

That's the most SHORT SIGHTED Assinine thing I read.

We already backed out on the Smith thing. Not willing to go multiple years with him.

Does that not tell everyone EVERYTHING they need to know.

We're NOT going for Cousins. We're going after a VET presence in the NFL, a QB that will mentor, yet compete. Lol they ALL compete.

I'm a Browns Fan. I'm MALE. And like many, I have the attitude that what I THINK is the ONLY way to go. It's the testosterone driven nature of the beast. We're all wired like that. Opinionated. Strongly. And if you guys don't think that, stop and take a loooong look in the mirror.

I've been dying to say that with all the QB opinions flying around. Lol. Especially Mayfield. Geesh.

Mccarron is interesting. Especially now that Dorsey and Haley are here. Do they think like Jackson? Who knows.

What I do know is we need a guy for the QB room. Mccarron, McCown, Daniels. It's really not that difficult.

Darnold or Rosen will be STARTING sooner than later.

It's funny. I like McCarron. One of the few reasons I hold some hope for Hue. Those who defend Hue to the tilt don't seem to like McCarron....the guy Hue wanted.


I am glad we didn't give a 2nd for him, but I think the kid can be a pretty good NFL QB. He played very well at Bama, and Nick is a great football coach. That guy will probably win 2-3 more championships at Bama before he Rolls out with the Tide.

I'm cool with McCarron as an FA on a very reasonable contract. I don't want to give up a pick or big money for him. His contract can be loaded with incentives though, like bonuses for wins were he takes the majority of snaps.

EO... I have a little inside track on the Saints down here, especially being a Saints season ticket holder. I give it 0.00001% chance that Brees leaves. He has said in some conversations that he is not looking to be the highest paid QB in the league when resigning. He has NUMEROUS New Orleans based business ventures (Jimmy Johns, Walk-Ons, Wait-r...etc) that I do not see him walking away from. And the Saints have said that it is all about just deciding the final numbers. Not that it is anything, but I'm a Saints season ticket member, and they just sent out the "Looking forward to the 2018 season" email... with Drew's face and jersey all over it.

It would be amazing to have him on the Browns, but I think there is a better chance of us landing any of the other 30 starting QBs in the league over Brees. I just can't see him leaving.

Brees will be a saint until he retires.

I'm wondering if this would be true if we offered him a 1 year $50 mil contract?

The bridge QB is going to have to overcome a lot early in the season to win games. AJ is not that QB. If we don't win enough early, Hue is probably fired and we'll be starting the rookie QB probably earlier than we should. If AJ is the QB we want to add, I'd prefer to stick with what we have. AJ and Kessler are the same QB. I don't think I want Dalton and AJ can't beat him out.

That makes sense as well.

I wasn't so much advocating he is the guy we need. I was just saying i think he could be a pretty good QB.

I have stated my hope....sign Cousin and don't use a first rounder on a QB. We have our qb for the next 6-7 years.

If that can't happen, as it seems to look at this moment, I pointed to Keenum some time back. But, he may not be available. Neither will Foles.

Bradford? I didn't want to see McCown cut last year. Do we go back to that?

I'd prefer any of those four to AJ. I wouldn't trade a second round pick for Foles though.

See... for me it's why not just draft the best QB #1 overall and we have our QB for the next 10-12 years or more. Why settle for less when you can have something better?

I was just reading something where no team has ever won the Super Bowl with a quarterback who makes 20+ million/yr. Kinda interesting...

In my mind Cousins today only makes us better than what we were yesterday, but he doesn't make us the best tomorrow. I don't care who it is, be it Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Jackson, White, Lauletta, Falk, Rudolph... At least one of these guys is better than Cousins. Let's draft our guy and win a super bowl instead of signing Cousins and win a game.

I don't mind if we sign AJ but I don't want to use a draft pick on him. JMO