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Welcome AJ!!!!👍

now we dont have to waste the #1 pick on a QB!!!!!! things really are looking up!!!!!

Well if we do get him at least he won't cost us picks ...

Imagine we gave up a second and third round pick for him and he becomes an unrestricted free agent. The Bengals got royally screwed.

Not all heroes wear capes.

Didn't even think about that.

The front office was blasted for failing to trade for AJ, but it might have been a great thing.

And they laughed at the Browns over the botched trade, who’s laughing now?😂😂😂

yea.. guy that botched that trade was brilliant... will have a job real soon over that...

Hue is likely already texting him a sweet serenade and pitching a Jimmy G type contract.

I put on Twitter that someone needs to restrain Hue Jackson, and a guy joked that he's not getting past Alonzo Highsmith.

This makes me scared. Very scared. As Ian Rapoport said, McCarron is going to get PAID. I'm worried we'll be the team to do it. $30M for Cousins might not look so bad when we're coughing up $19M for McCarron.

Please let Dorsey save us from the signing as Sashi did from that abysmal trade attempt. Please.

AJ McCarron isn't getting $19 mil from anyone ...

Gawd I can see the nightmares coming as I give up on watching football to save myself from puking up watching another horrid season if we sign this loser of a QB.

Hue's the Head Coach. If this is the guy he wants, at least as a bridge qb, not sure how we don't take it seriously. It's not like this is Cody Kessler with the "trust me", when he doesn't know him that well. Hue has coached AJ. He knows what he's getting. And he was willing to give up a 2nd and 3rd for him.

Everyone might not regard Hue that highly around here, but it's not like he forgot offense and how to coach. He was a hot respected prospect two years ago.

No one, besides the Bengals staff, knows McCaron better than Jackson and Zampese. I'd be hard not to trust them when it comes to the idea of at least giving McCaron a shot at the job with a rookie (1st pick of the draft) in the wings

No matter what, it's another guy we won't have to trade to get. AJ McCaron, Chase Daniel, Kirk Cousins, Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater. All options. And we don't know how things will go with Case Keenum and Tyrod Taylor


EDIT: I just think it's funny that you write this guy off so quick. How many games did you watch? How many games and practices did Hue watch? You don't have to endorse the guy, but there's nothing wrong with an open mind if he ends up being signed

After Mike Glennon got $16M per year, I'm not sure of anything anymore. That was in a then less-QB-needy market, with less suitors (most wanted him only as a back-up) and proven mediocrity.

McCarron will likely get more interest, and people are already reporting he could be paid like a QB1. Damn, Bucky Brooks actually thinks the Browns SHOULD make him the QB1 so we can, "draft blue chip players at one and four."

QB market makes people crazy, and we've got a coach who literally sprinted to cuddle this particularly quarterback at midfield on game day against him before introducing him to the owner. Hue was blushing. It was downright romantic. Females were watching that like, "goals."

That's the Bengals staff who were willing to trade him, vocally, and are letting him walk. Who kept him on the bench behind mediocrity-personified, Andy Dalton.

This isn't a back-up sitting behind Tom Brady. If the Bengals actually thought McCarron was something, anything, we'd be talking about Dalton being a possibility instead.

1st) How are they letting him walk? The never would have went to arbitration if they were "letting him walk". No, they were hoping he'd be an RFA and they certainly would have tagged him. They are by no means, "Letting him walk"


2nd) You can call Dalton mediocre, but he's been somewhat successful with the Bengals. Maybe never a good starting QB. Definitely not a star. But good enough to get them to the playoffs and to beat the Cleveland Browns time and time again. He's an average starter. And the Bengals know what they're going to get with Andy. He's a proven commodity.

I'm not looking at AJ as the next Jimmy Garapollo. Just a bridge guy for a potential rookie QB. And (probably) a step down from Dalton, but hopefully not that big.

I'm not endorsing the guy either, I'm just saying that if we go the AJ McCaron route, I'm going to have some faith and the guy who has actually coached him.

What makes you all think he would want to sign here? If he does it will be for a lot more money than others offered. No one wants to come to the team where careers die. Money is the only factor so we will overpay for anyone we get.

I'm not a huge McCarron thread, and I don't get where he'd be a veteran presence. Sure, he's been in the NFL for a while now, but he's played less than a handful of games. People complained that our QBs had no wins in the NFL, when we had a QB room of Kizer, Kessler, and Hogan, so we add a QB in McCarron who has only 3 starts, and only 2 wins? Heck, Kessler and Kizer both have far more on field experience than McCarron does.

I am extremely glad that we didn't give up a 2nd and a 3rd for him. If the team thinks that he can be the bridge, then I have no problem with them throwing an unreasonable amount of money at him ..... but I don't get where his track record is all that much better than the guys we have. McCarron played with much, much better talent in Cincy. How will be perform on a tea, that is still (at best) rounding into shape, with an influx of draftees and youth?

He played for Hue in Cinci.

I don't know how I feel about McCarron. I seem some of the points by guys who want to bring him in, but I am not a big fan of his.

I'd suspect he gets a decent base and then an incentive filled contract...

Firstly, they went in to arbitration because McCarron being a RFA would mean they receive the tender. Who knows what the tag would be. Jackson wanted to give up a second and third, so they would be confident in getting a second rounder, and might even put a first rounder on just to see if Jackson is crazy enough to do it.

They were letting him walk, they just wanted to still get a draft selection out of it. That tender wasn't to keep him around but to capitalize on Jackson's desperation.

Secondly, they had every opportunity to re-sign McCarron and offload Dalton. They're letting him walk. If they wanted to keep him, he'd be kept.

Thirdly, okay, Dalton is average. I can agree on that. So let they McCarron go so they could keep their average quarterback who can beat bad teams and be carried to the playoffs. Cut it any way you want it, but Dalton is not anyone's ideal quarterback... yet they never even considered McCarron as even a viable option. You're right, Dalton is a proven commodity, because they didn't even see enough in McCarron to bench Dalton for a few weeks just to find out what McCarron had.

When they were 5-9 in 2017 with nothing to play for, they didn't even say, "Hm. Let's give McCarron two weeks."

The same could be said in 2016 when they were 3-7-1. Still no interest in seeing what McCarron could do.

You're absolutely endorsing the guy. I don't get why Hue Jackson loyalists defend absolutely everything with a do-no-wrong mentality but never want to stand by their turd.

It's fine to want him as a bridge, but it just won't happen. Same reason people thought Alex Smith would be a bridge. McCarron is going to be paid a small fortune by someone, and it's probably going to be us.

Deadspin's latest - A.J. McCarron wins grievance against Bengals, earns right to disappoint Browns.

Why the jokes? Because Hue tried to trade a 2nd and 3rd for McCarron. It was reported that McCarron was disappointed the trade didn't go through.

And the guy wasn't shy.



You might not be looking at McCarron as Jimmy G, but the guy you so deeply trust is. I know when things looked bad this year, my guiding light sure wasn't, "Well, on the bright side, we can sign A.J McCarron to a monster deal next year."

There's plenty of reasons that Andy Dalton continued to start, even in seasons where things didn't go so hot for them. One being, the message it sends the team. Losing breeds losing, and they see Andy Dalton as the best chance to win...........

And like I said, they probably view Andy Dalton as their guy. That's fine. He's average. But also a better option than any other QB on our team currently, and better option than anyone in this FA class not named Kirk Cousins........


And expecting to tender a guy as a RFA is certainly not letting him walk. I don't understand your argument. They didn't try to re-sign him before his contract was up, so they were gonna let him walk? Letting him walk would be putting no tender on McCarron. Obviously they were planning to tender him because otherwise they woudn't show up at arbitration.

If we sign Kirk Cousins, we don't get AJ McCarron. If we sign Chase Daniel, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum, we don't get AJ McCarron. And the Bengals would then be stuck with AJ who signs the tender.

You're flat out assuming that we're willing to give up picks to get AJ. Newsflash, there's a new front office and a new set of QBs available in Free Agency.

So yeah, don't see how they're letting him walk.



I flat out said i wasn't endorsing the guy.

I just said that I'm gonna put more weight on Hue's evaluation of the guy than yours. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, and I'm not a huge Hue Jackson fan. But I recognize that Jackson wanted to give up 2nd and 3rd round picks for this guy who he coached for a long time.

Not saying that's the smart call (in terms of the picks), but there might be something there (in terms of being a bridge qb)

It's like my father when he gets excited over a stock. He's usually right. Almost always right. But when I listen to him, I temper my expectations. He says the 10$ stock is going to go to 30$, I'm thinking in the back of my head, "Okay maybe it'll go to 20$". Still a big profit. It's worked for me big-time, cause the stock usually goes to 20$ (which is good enough to make me very happy).



And Jackson doesn't have control over the roster, so he doesn't decide who is a bridge qb and who isn't. So,
I'm not seeing your point here........... It's not Hue Jackson's call.


If the deal doesn't make sense, we won't be signing him. Just like we didn't trade for Alex Smith.......... The Front Office has control of the Roster. Dorsey, Highsmith, Wolf, Berry.

Darnold, AJ and Kizer/Hogan... I'd take it!!

I know, they are like that show Hoarders:Buried alive when it comes to draft picks. They freak out about trading them, and seem to like them more than players. But when a second was used on Kizer, it was taking a flyer on a qb, worth the risk, etc.

Ease up there, Thorns. This ain't set in stone.

There's new players in this game now. From QB's, FO and Coaches. Don't think what Jackson thinks is going to mean as much today. He can give Dorsey the idea, but Dorsey and his crowd will be making the decision regarding the QB we bring in.

It's also Haley's Offense now. I'm thinking we can throw out the Mccarron knows Jackson's Offense now.

I'm still in the mold of we don't need a QB to be Starting all year. We're getting that QB at #1. What we need is an experienced Vet. And it doesn't need to be one with 100 Starts.

I'm ok if we go Mccarron. But not at crazy $. He's not going to hold off a Darnold for long. The difference in Talent Level will show itself.

I still think we're looking at guys like McCown, Daniels, Moore. Vers, you're the one who originally mentioned Moore. Is he a FA? But that's just ME. We need a solid Vet #2 on this team. And continue to groom Kizer.

Interesting times. We'll see if Dorsey and Haley like him.

Yeah, I mentioned Moore and Stanton because I saw they were free agents.

This isn't related to your post, but man, some of these guys are trying to write an espionage novel. This is football, not a Robert Ludlum novel.

If we land AJ, I want Barkley and Fitz in the draft enough said

Landing AJ should not change our plans on drafting a QB. We have a chance at Rosen/Darnold. We should not scrap that for McCarron.

j/c:

If I'm Dorsey, I try to sign McCarron:

1. If McCarron succeeds, your HC is happy and you can say you worked with your HC to find the QB he wanted because it's clear Hue wanted him last year.

2. If McCarron fails, it's the nail in the coffin for Hue and you have your reason to start over with a new HC asyou can say you gave your HC the guy he wanted and it still didn't work---again.

I don't think Dorsey can lose by picking McCarron up as long as a QB is still drafted #1. Still, I'm not thrilled with the idea of McCarron, but whatever. There is not much in terms of Bridge QBs out there if that is the route they go down.

It should reinforce the plan. You have the contingency, now it's time to execute the real plan.

Dorsey is not a fan on a message board w/who is all butt-hurt about Hue and Sashi. He wants to win games and I suspect that he will do everything in his power to work w/his HC to fulfill his expectations.

I agree with FA AND #1 draft pick. If the worst that happens in 2018 is that we hedged our bet at QB so it is not a liability or lessens that, great. We put undue emphasis on it after years of "trust me", my gut, and other nonsense. This position has crippled us. Overkill this position and get crazy on other roster needs. I say pick what you most need in first two rounds. Then play with house money for the rest.

AJMc can help us. So could other vets. We were willing to overpay when desperate. Land him early and march into the draft knowing your options.

If the Browns don't take a QB in the 1st their NUTS ! That just might be the straw that broke the Camels back for me ..

jc

funny how i was the one hyping up AJ last year and i was getting clowned for it. now all of a sudden people are on board with it.

It has to do with having an opinion about a strategic decision on what to do with a bridge QB. And, by the way, getting McCarron would work with his HC to get a guy he wants. That's kind of the point.

You guys who want Hue fired, have you given any thought that a new HC might want his own OC and DC, not to mention assistant coaches?

Most everyone seems happy with Haley but he may be gone if we sign a new HC. Firing Hue could be another complete rebuild of the coaching staff. I'm not a big fan of that.

If the GM isn't enamored with AJ Hue's crush matters little...

Get your facts straight about posters' opinion first, if you don't mind.....I've not once said I wanted Hue fired as far as I can remember. So kick that nonsense to the curb, will you?

I've gone on record as saying I think the guy is a jerk, threw people under the bus to save himself, and has zero accountabilty. But jerks can be good HCs. I understand the lack of a complete team agrument after a complete tear down, but that should extend to other parts of the organization before firings happen.

And yes, of course a new HC will want knew coordinators. Which is why some people are puzzled and concerned that if Hue struggles again, and is fired, it is another reboot. This time just from a different part of the organization. This new FO has zero attachment to Hue. I think it was cfrs that showed examples of teams where it rareley ever works long term when a new FO is hired but the HC stays on.