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Mueller and his team while he was running the FBI was compliant with Hillary's corruption. He has to find away to clear his name, his team, and push blame in s different direction. It is a shame that he is running the special council with as many democratic crony's on the staff.

So when trump called the investigation a hoax, i guess that was another lie too.

the lies Trump has told in barely a year in office is staggering, especially since im not even including the lies he told during the campaign season.

so when will Trump FINALLY implement the sanctions on russia?

trump supporters still haven't answered that.

When he darned well feels like it and it is in America's best interest.

Why?

it's been in America's best interest since the sanctions were passed by congress. hell, even before then.

and when he feels like it?

pathetic.

No, what's pathetic is you thinking you know more about international diplomacy than the President of the United States of America.

umm, i can't say this about any of the presidents 1-44, but i can say with full confidence that i know more about international diplomacy than Donald Trump.

there's quite a few posters on here who also know more than donald Trump. you're not one of them, obviously, but there are others here.

That's rich!

its the truth, though.

i know you rather be lied to though. maybe Diam can tuck you in at night since yall live together. tell you a good bed time story about how Donald Trump was gonna make America Russi....i mean, great again.

Must be the dope he is smoking!!! Wow!!!

Donald Trump doesn't even know where US territories begin and end, yet people think he knows anything about foreign policy lmao

Would you please be so kind as to name them?

certainly!

actually, it's easier to name those who DON'T know more than Trump on foreign policy.

40, Diam, Riley, Teedub, and Daytna is on the bubble. he needs to be careful.

Oh no the indicted rooskies are taking down more....

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/other-candidates-may-helped-russian-151700534.html

For those that don't want to watch Mueller says the interference helped Bernie Sander and eventually Jill Stein.

So when will we see the Sander for Prison 2018 or Stein in the Slammer bumper stickers. When will the news feeds start off with Trump/Sander/Stein colludes with Russia to sink Hillary....you know the lady that was caught trying to sink Bernie.

So funny to see the lefts hopes for Mueller result in eating their own

My Rottweiler knows more about international diplomacy than that sack of hair.

Uhh, just watching the video, it’s obvious the Russians backed everyone but Hillary.

Which makes the rest of your post odd. Everybody and their momma knew the Russians didn’t want Hillary in office. That wasn’t a secret.

The investigation is about whether or not A. Did any Americans collude with the Russians, and if so, how far up the food chain does it go.

So far we got 13 Russian nationals indicted.

And B. Whether or not trump and/or anybody in his administration obstruct justice in order to end the investigation into Russia collusion.

So far we have 4 indictments, 2 guilty pleas, and 3 with plea deal cooperating with the special counsel.

So we have essentially two investigations going, and BOTH have led to charges.

And what’s worse? It’s not over yet.

You and other trump supporters understand that, right? This wasn’t the closing of the investigation, even though every single time charges come, y’all go “but did trump collude?”

There’s a reason why the investigation isn’t close to being over. Ask Bannon, he just spent a total of 20 hours talking to the special counsel.

Did trump obstruct justice?
Did trump collude with Russians?
Did trump knowingly write a false statement to protect his son from attempting collusion?
Did trump knowingly hire guys with close ties to the Russians in his campaign/administration?

To be continued. Don’t talk in absolutes bro. Every time you trump supporters claim that nothing happened....something happened.

At least we know the Russians know a loser when they see one. That makes them smarter than 63 million American voters.

Or the Russians knew that trump can be played like a fiddle, and that there would be consequences to their actions by Hillary.

Trump is literally the worst person to deal with any of these situations in foreign policy. And it’s a reflection on his domestic policy because he provides zero leadership to the country.

Then it’s a reflection on how bad Hillary the candidate was that she couldn’t even beat a putz like Trump.

Or it’s a reflection on the base that put Trump in.

In the end it equates to the same thing. If you’re for Trump or against Hillary, your vote goes to Trump, who won.

Can't say for Jill Stein but I'm pretty sure we don't have to worry about Bernie. HOWEVER, I still hope they investigate wherever the trail leads.

Now since you tried to make this point for your side I'll add something for mine; I'm almost positive when Mueller is done that more of this will land on Trump and company than anyone else.

February 17, 2018, 8:09 AM

McMaster says evidence of Russian election meddling is beyond dispute

Last Updated Feb 18, 2018 1:19 AM EST
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MUNICH -- U.S. President Donald Trump's national security adviser told an international audience that the evidence of Russian meddling in the 2016 American election is beyond dispute. H.R. McMaster was answering a question from a Russian delegate, shortly after Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov left the same stage at the Munich Security Conference on Saturday.

Referring to the indictment of 13 Russians announced Friday, McMaster said "with the FBI indictment, the evidence is now incontrovertible" of Russia cyber-meddling. He also scoffed at any move to work with Russia on cybersecurity.

"I'm surprised there are any Russian cyber experts available, based on how active most of them have been in undermining our democracies in the west," he said to applause. "I would just say that we would love to have a cyber dialogue when Russia is sincere about curtailing its sophisticated form of espionage."

Lavrov, just moments earlier, had dismissed the indictments as "just blabber" through an interpreter.

"Until we see the facts, everything else is just blabber -- I'm sorry for this expression," Lavrov said.

McMaster also said that Russians' attempts to sow discord haven't worked, and have united western polities and even the polarized U.S. Senate against Moscow, pointing out a vote on Russian sanctions that sailed through the upper chamber, 98-2.

Late Saturday, President Trump tweeted McMaster "forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!"


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General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!
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The 13 Russians are charged with running a huge but hidden social media trolling campaign aimed in part at helping Republican Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton. The indictment marks the first criminal charges against Russians believed to have secretly worked to influence the outcome.

According to the indictment, the Russian organization was funded by Yevgeny Prigozhin. He is a wealthy St. Petersburg businessman with ties to the Russian government and President Vladimir Putin.

Lavrov denounced "this irrational myth about this global Russian threat, traces of which are found everywhere -- from Brexit to the Catalan referendum."
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Mr. Trump responded to the indictment Friday, asserting as he has in in the past that his campaign did not collude with foreign entities. "The Trump campaign did nothing wrong — no collusion!" he tweeted.

The White House also issued a statement from the president.

"It is more important than ever before to come together as Americans," Mr. Trump said in the statement. "We cannot allow those seeking to sow confusion, discord, and rancor to be successful. It's time we stop the outlandish partisan attacks, wild and false allegations, and far-fetched theories, which only serve to further the agendas of bad actors, like Russia, and do nothing to protect the principles of our institutions. We must unite as Americans to protect the integrity of our democracy and our elections."

That is certainly a possibility although I don't agree. I'm wondering how Mueller can say in this indictment that 'NO' American was wittingly involved then say down the road Trump WAS involved. The FBI is falling apart in upper management because of recent failures and political bias.

If he had any evidence up to this point that Trump colluded, why in the hell would he make a statement like that in the indictment. 'We have yet to determine if ANY American was involved' would be a much safer staement to keep this BS Trump colluded alive.

Seriously?

No American we’re wittingly involved with THESE 13 Russian nationals.

That doesn’t mean Americans weren’t involved in other aspects.

I would’ve thought that would be plain as day to understand. Guess not.

lmao Swish, blind hatred. No American was wittingly involved means EXACTLY that. Stop trying to infer to the contrary. Damn hatred

What 'other aspects'? Enlighten me.

You’re starting to reach now.

They've been reaching since day 1.

Did you forget that we already have 4 Americans under indictments? 3 of the 4 working with pleas deals in cooperation with the special counsel?

The fact that you and ted could somehow take that FACT as a reach is telling.

Go down with the ship if you want to.

LMAO, those indictments have what to do with collusion? Collusion is DEAD, try the obstruction thing now...good luck with that. Trump won FAIR and Square.

We have all these indictments, yet you somehow think collusion is dead?

That’s disturbing.

If collusion was dead, the investigation would already be over.

So I hope you understand that I’m going to look at what the special counsel is doing over ANYTHING you say.

Trump said it was all a hoax. The test results say that was a lie lol.

There are no allegations that americans were wittingly involved in these particular charges. At this time no witting american has been charged, but one unwitting american was charged.

The problem with Trump declaring that this proves his innocence is that it doesn't. We still have no idea what else Mueller has. we don't know what other charges, if any, are yet to come and how many other directions the investigation is going. Time will tell, but until Mueller is done Trump can not say he's cleared.

The charges against the Russians are significant because it makes it official that Russia DID meddle and that Mueller is making sure we all know it's real. These charges didn't need to be brought or put in the limelight like this to be effective. They were played like this for a reason. The best reason I could come up with is Mueller answering the 'nothing burger' crowd.

Explain to me how ANY of the indictments have ANYTHING to do with collusion? You can't!



As it should be but noooooooo, obstruction of justice is the new angle.

Monica had NOTHING to do with Whitewater and Manafort, Gates and Flynn have nothing to do with COLLUSION....PERIOD!



Trump said Russian collusion was a hoax but keep trying man. Your hatred is whats disturbing.

you're talking in absolutes again.

collusion and obstruction were always THE angle. it's not new, no matter how many times you try to convince yourself standing in front of a mirror that it is.

at this point, you trump supporters are closing your ears going "lalalalalala MAGA MAGA MAGA" like a bunch of sheep.

go down with the ship if you want to.

Maybe, he also may have felt pressure to show his hand because of FBI scrutiny. Either way, these indictments shouldn't have been released and making the statement about No Americans was a bad idea. Make that statement when you're done. He's going to look foolish if more than 13 Russians and some Americans were involved. Not a good time when the FBI looks extremely incompetent lately.

My ship is still sailing, yours on the other hand....

Still waiting on the answer to my question but I already know the answer

Show me where obstruction was the initial angle...I'll wait.

omg.....thats why mueller GOT APPOINTED!!!

the feds were initially investigating possible collusion within the trump campaign. once trump fired Comey, thats what triggered the special counsel appointment to investigate OBSTRUCTION.

he hasn't even been investigating for a year yet, and look at all the crap he's found.

take your head out of the sand.

Hmmm,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat...m=.4658aef5ca8d

From your article



I don't know if rosenstein's original charter made mention of obstruction. However it does seem people were talking obstruction at that time.