This is a da gun issue. Take your head out of the sand. Or your ass, which seems more likely.
Y’all crazy asses has turned what was just suppose to be a right to protect yourselves into an ACTUAL lifestyle.
I’m the one with mental health, but I wouldn’t trust 80% of you and others on this board the way you fantasize about guns non stop.
I’ve never seen a population so enamored win the thought of getting to shoot someone as I see here in the US. It is an absolute culture in this country...nah, it’s a disease.
We got losers who think they’re gonna save people if they walk around strapped, when the reality is that you’re just more of a danger to the society in which I live.
You’ve never shot your gun at someone in real life. You’re not properly trained, and in the slim event that you had to pull out your gun on a criminal, you’re more likely to SHOOT someone else in collateral damage because again, you never shot your gun seriously a moving human target.
The gun nut lifestyle a lot of people in this country display is a disease that needs to be cleansed.
I haven’t shot a weapon in years, yet I know for a fact I’m still better trained, have better aim, have real life experience, and can hit moving targets at a way higher clip than most on this board.
Yet you don’t see me in love with my guns like you and others. Swear some of y’all rather go to bed with your gun than y’all wives. And yet y’all wonder why we have sicko kids growing up using guns to inflict the most carnage.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Mac, my stepsons school has 2 sheriff cars out front every morning yet everyday we get text notifications about a bomb threat was issued etc. We can secure our schools (maybe) but can we really secure a Friday night football game, a Saturday afternoon soccer game?
I love Chitwood is taking a hard stance on ANYBODY who issues threats. I think he needs to go a step further, put the parents behind bars for a few days. Maybe they'll start paying attention.
If a kid wants to really cause mass murder, they will find a way and an event to carry out their plan.
No matter how loud the Left wants to yell about gun control, they';re still WRONG. It's the person holding that gun.
Got that Swish? If I want to park a Howitzer in my front yard, that's my right.
We can ban guns and create a black market then build more jails or... we can attack the mental health and build more hospitals...your choice.
sure, you can own one thats not operational, but good luck trying to buy the ammo for it.
last time i checked, thats not your right.
there's ALREADY a black market for guns WITH gun sales being legal in this country. and then to further trash your obviously horrible points, we wouldn't HAVE to attack mental health as hard if conservatives like Reagan and all the other losers you've voted for weren't hellbent on defunded mental health institutions and other policies to begin with!
but now all of a sudden, people like you and the politicians you vote for are all for it?
shameful. that sad reality that you and others refuse to acknowledge is that we have a culture where guns make people FEEL powerful. feel like they're in control.
guns has gone WAAAAYYY past just being a tool. guns have become the VESSEL to this sick mentality we're seeing in this country.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Yea, you forget I’m a 2nd amendment supporter, so I acknowledge all perspectives.
So you can have ammo delivered to your door for a howitzer?
Do I need to call the feds?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Yea, you forget I’m a 2nd amendment supporter, so I acknowledge all perspectives.
So you can have ammo delivered to your door for a howitzer?
Do I need to call the feds?
Lol...like they'd do something about it.
I'm happy to hear you support the 2nd Amendment...see we're not that far off. If we can put aside the hatred and have a civil convo with an open mind maybe we can solve how to keep weapons out of the hands of crazy peeps.
But to say why even mention it is kind of silly. If he had attended an AL Qaeda meeting , would that be worth mentioning? Of course it would be .
Yes it was ony one meeting(that we know of ) but it gives insight into the mentality of the murderer. If he actually ,physically attended one meeting. How much other time did he spend researching, reading about it . How much time did he spend chatting with members?
Or, how about we find out facts - FACTS, before posting rumor?
I know they're still investigating, but the guy responsible for this allegation is even walking it back.
At this time, even the law enforcement can't find any link - well, other than jordan jereb saying it.
How many times are you going to change the qualifications on what can be said? because you said it shouldnt even be mentioned . It was discussed as a report . Like I said, if it was reported that he attended an AL Qaeda meeting , would it be worth mentioning?
I dont know Arch, you seem to be getting awfully defensive about this terrorist getting linked to some white supremacy groups.
Ah! PERFECT!
There is no proof he was a member of rof, or that he even attended a meeting. The only person that has said that is backing down. (as of now, that is)
Yet, it was reported, and people ran with it, with no proof.
You, sir, are trying in vain, with this statement
Quote:
I dont know Arch, you seem to be getting awfully defensive about this terrorist getting linked to some white supremacy groups.
to paint me in a bad light.
Doesn't matter if it's true or not, does it? You put it out there so people could run with it.
I'm not a terrorist, nor am I a white supremacist.
You, on the other hand, appear to be doubling down on some unproven info. It seems to me you really want to believe the guy was a white supremacist when no proof of that exists.
I didnt put anything out there, it was reported , and it was discussed. You have ducked the question , multiple times. If it was reported that he attended Al Qaeda meetings, and even a Al Qaeda leader said " yeah he was here and received training from us " would it be worth discussing?
I am not attempting to paint you in any light. You cast a suspicion by getting so offended by a report that linked this kid to a white supremacy group. Whether that report turned out to be true or not. Your reaction is strange.
The disagreement was never about whether it was true or not. The disagreement was about you taking offense to the article even being mentioned and discussed.
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Do you guys believe the body count would have been the same if we did a better job of identifying mental health issues and getting those people the proper help?
I most certainly do. However, as of now people fund prisons and put people with mental issues in those instead of investing in actual mental healthcare. Until politicians actually stand up and focus more resources into mental health rather than throwing people with mental health problems in jail, there will be no end to this.
I think better parenting would also help a lot in many of these cases. But how do you force people to be better parents?
I think smaller magazines would help cut down on the body count when these terrible things happen.
There's not a one size fits all answer to this. It's a multi pronged problem with several ingredients involved.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Why would you use Chicago as an example? Chicago doesn't work - why would you want to repeat that?
Chicago was a PERFECT EXAMPLE ... u want more regs and less guns .. well chi-town has as tough of gun laws as their is in the country yet its a shooting gallery from sunset friday night til sunrise Monday morning ... .... like i said .. PERFECT EXAMPLE ...
Maybe u thinks its a bad example cause it blows what u want all to hell ...
I think Chicago is a terrible example - because I'd like to see fewer gun deaths. I'm open to discussing the topic and seeing what might work. Chicago doesn't work and there's probably a lot of reasons for that - maybe we can learn from what or why Chicago doesn't work and make it better.
Seems that because I have the audacity to raise a topic you obviously don't want to have an intelligent discussion about - you have assumed what my motive and goal is (and completely failed) ... I think that's microcosm of the issue. Instead of looking at what's happened and trying to talk about it - you and others jump on the "Liberals want to take away our guns" train and simply bunker down and deflect.
What happened in Florida and in every other school shooting ever - is a horrific tragedy. You either: 1. don't care. 2. Or you don't care enough to discuss it with people - some of whom may certainly have a predetermined agenda to reduce access to guns. 3. You simply accept that there is nothing to be done and society in America simply has to accept all these innocent lives will be slaughtered every single year - and whether it is dozens, or hundreds or eventually thousands of kids that die every year (numbers are going up each year right) ... it doesn't matter. 4. Or maybe you believe you are so smart - and so all knowing - and you have studied every country and every city in the world and through the history of mankind ... and you simply know that whatever the solution to reducing the death toll doesn't and won't ever involve any aspect of gun ownership and the laws that relate to gun ownership and their legal accessories.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Instead of looking at what's happened and trying to talk about it
Exactly! However, Diam makes a valid point. People want what they can't have. Prohibition, weed, whatever. Ban something and the desire to have it will rise.
Hmmm...we used to tape 2 mags together in the military. You can flip a mag in no time. So smaller mags are NOT the answer.
Sorry, but you can only tape clips together on rifles with clips. Exactly like the 30 round clips I spoke of. You can't do that with a semi-automatic pistol because each clip has to slide all the way into the handle.
But thanks for helping me prove my point.
I'm not advocating for smaller clips. In my lifetime I've had what people label as assault rifles with multiple 30 round clips along with cases of ammo. I invested in them heavily right before Clinton enacted a ban of importing assault rifles. That investment paid off handsomely.
So I'm not some liberal that supports gun legislation. Yet at the same time, I'm not foolish enough to believe that much larger magazines aren't making it easier for young, inexperienced shooters to raise the body count when these things occur.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The term "jungle style" refers to the practice of securing two or more magazines together with tape, clamps or other means, often with the spare inverted in relation to the one fitted to the weapon.
This jungle style configuration is used to speed up the process of reloading, since a loaded magazine is attached to the one in use. Disadvantages include an increase in the risk of stoppages due to the exposure of the rounds and magazine lips to dirt (particularly if the second magazine is inverted), possible loss of ammunition, and that the extra length of two magazines together can raise the profile of a soldier in the prone position. To counter these drawbacks, some manufactures, such as SIG and Heckler & Koch,[1] designed magazines with studs and cradles which permit extra ammunition to be carried parallel mated in an upright position without the need for tape or clamps.[1] Ram-Line high-capacity magazines for Ruger 10/22 semi-automatic .22LR rifles were also equipped with pins and sockets to allow them to be coupled together.
Not correct. If I can figure out how to post a pic on here I'll show you exactly what I'm talking about....ugh. Sometimes I'm not the sharpest tool lol
They have been reffered to as clips for a long time by many people with guns. Only someone extremely anal would find some deep seated need to call someone out on a message board for it. And I'm not one bit surprised by who that someone was.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
So you can only do it with rifles as I said and it could also be done with 30 round mags. So it really is a moot point.
This is a method the gun nuts, who are overcompensating for something, always employ.
Rather than discuss the issues, they will nit pik over semantics and turn the argument to over something silly like the incorrect use of a technical term.
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Instead of looking at what's happened and trying to talk about it
Exactly! However, Diam makes a valid point. People want what they can't have. Prohibition, weed, whatever. Ban something and the desire to have it will rise.
Chicago is a GREAT example.
I think not tacking action because the reaction to legislation will drive up desire for something - and this in general, not guns - isn't a good reason to take not action. Obviously if banning something creates a greater demand for something than there was before the ban then it's not good legislation.
With more than 300 million guns already owned in the US - I'd say it's maybe, just maybe, a little too late to 'ban' or take them out society. That's just never going to happen from a practical or feasible perspective and ignoring people's right to bear arms.
Last edited by mgh888; 02/17/1801:07 PM.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I believe the first action states will focus on is making sure no one can bring a gun onto school grounds.
If someone attempts to breach school security, they must be met with enough force to insure the safety of the students and faculty on school property.
PROTECTING OUR STUDENTS...those words must meaning!
Here's a question and maybe one of the teachers, school administrators, or such can fill in some of the details.
What is the security like in schools today? I imagine there is a quite a difference between schools depending on funding, the severity of behavioral problems at the school, attitudes of the community, etc. Some schools already have police officers on site. I've been told that most schools are pretty locked down during the day, which is a bit different than how I remember things.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is, what is the situation now, and how should it realistically be improved?
My kids schools (2 elementary schools, 1 jr high and 1 high school) all have same set up and I cannot believe it is that expensive. All doors are locked at 8 am...no one can get it...just out...there is one point of entrance for anyone after that (still locked)...you have to buzz in and state your name and business...this door is monitored by closed circuit video so the person letting you in can visually see you. With this alone you don’t sneak a rifle in.
Personally I go one step further...next one enters with a bag of any kind that is not subject to inspection.
Hmmm...we used to tape 2 mags together in the military. You can flip a mag in no time. So smaller mags are NOT the answer.
Sorry, but you can only tape clips together on rifles with clips. Exactly like the 30 round clips I spoke of. You can't do that with a semi-automatic pistol because each clip has to slide all the way into the handle.
But thanks for helping me prove my point.
Not so fast....glock pistols have magazines you can tape together if you wanted to....
I'm all for stricter laws, but I don't think that's really going to put an end to stuff like this. It's horrifying.
For the record, I do think we have a huge mental health problem in this country, and I think that plays a role in these shootings, but improving mental health overall also won't put an end to this.
As usual, liberals and conservatives fight on social media like children over it being a gun issue or a mental health issue. It makes me sick. Politics is like sports now. Blindly following your side and not reasoning with the other. We're never going to get anywhere if we continue to be divided the way we are.
I urge all of you to take active shooter training if you work somewhere where there are a lot of employees.
We got training at my previous job a few years ago. Nobody wants to talk about it, but I'm glad they did. Some people didn't quite understand the concept, but there has been some confusion on what you're supposed to do if there is an active shooter where you are.
Run, hide, fight. You get the hell out if you can. If the shooter is in the path to your exit, you hide. If you can't do any of those, be prepared to fight.
Know your exits. Know multiple routes to get to them. Encourage others to come with, but don't waste too much time convincing them. Keep your hands up if see officers responding to the incident. They are going off possibly unreliable information as to who is doing the shooting, so everyone to them could be armed.
And you can do that with 30 round clips as well which I have pointed out. So let's do the math here. More rounds, more fatalities. You seem to make it sound like using smaller mags and taping them together somehow refutes the fact that smaller mags make for less casualties. Yet you can do this exact same thing with 30 round mags. So instead of 40 rounds you'd have 60 rounds.
Let me remind you, I've had several of what people call assault rifles with many varieties of mags and know how all of this works. Actually I'd say more than most people. You aren't talking to someone who doesn't have experience with these types of weapons.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Hmmm...we used to tape 2 mags together in the military. You can flip a mag in no time. So smaller mags are NOT the answer.
Sorry, but you can only tape clips together on rifles with clips. Exactly like the 30 round clips I spoke of. You can't do that with a semi-automatic pistol because each clip has to slide all the way into the handle.
But thanks for helping me prove my point.
Not so fast....glock pistols have magazines you can tape together if you wanted to....
How are you going to slide them up into the handle when they're taped together?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
But, if anyone cares to click on the red dots, you'll find details about each one.
Accidental discharge with no injuries counts as a school shooting.
Suicide, sitting in a car in a school parking lot, counts as a school shooting.
A father, at a graduation, accidental discharge - school shooting.
A basketball ref, a concealed carry license holder, attending a bb ref meeting after hours, accidental discharge= a school shooting.
An armed police officer that had a kid pull the trigger on his gun while it was holstered = school shooting.
A college student arrested on campus in TX, fired a shot in the police station he was taken to to be processed for drug crimes = school shooting.
Numerous instances of bullets hitting school windows, after school hours = school shootings.
Gang and/or drug violence in a school parking lot after hours = school shooting.
On and on.
I don't say this in order to insinuate anything other than: Get informed. The link, the headline - damn misleading.
I don't say this to poo poo accidental discharges, either.
Fighting in a school parking lot, after school, and someone brings out a gun and shoots = school shooting.
I only list all of this to, once again, show the 'politics' of some reports. And bias.
All 'school' shootings are bad, okay? I get it. But too often liberties are taken in the reporting due to having an agenda.
I mean, really, take 2 minutes, open the link, and click on any of the red dots. It will give details. Any one you click on will take all of 10 seconds to read.
I'd rather build hospitals to evaluate mental illness than build prisons.
Me too. I'd be proud and happy about my taxes going to this cause.
Unfortunately, more and more of our mental health resources are being diverted to the opiate crisis. They are most definitely related, but the treatment modalities differ to the point that if you take away from one, the other suffers. I have mixed feelings about this, as someone could argue that more lives are being lost to opiate addiction than as a result of a mental health diagnosis. On the other hand it's disheartening to see homeless mentally ill with no place to go because all of the psych beds are occupied.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
You seem to make it sound like using smaller mags and taping them together somehow refutes the fact that smaller mags make for less casualties.
OK I get your point. Sure, less rounds, less casualties. The smaller the mags, the more I can carry.
And I do understand your point. But when you look at these school shooters, most are very young. I'm not saying they haven't target practiced and can't shoot. But just how much of firearms experts are most of them? I mean how many of them would you say know to tape those mags together?
Once again, I'm not for limiting the capacity of magazines. I'm not proposing we do that or legislate that. I do however not believe most 16-20 year old people have a vast amount of experience with weaponry. I also do not believe that smaller mags will stop school shootings. But cut down on the body count? In most cases I think smaller mags would help.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
