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Isn't #2 rooting for dysfunction? If you think McCarron isn't the best fit and is more likely to fail then succeed it would be very nefarious to go ahead and sign him.
The job a GM in a functional organization is to tell the HC hey I don't think McCarron is the right fit for Haley and here's why...then as a group come to agreement on the QB Dorsey-Hue-Haley is a good fit and go forward with that QB...

Probably has more to do with the possibility signing AJ won't preclude drafting a QB #1 overall, rather than having anything to do with his acumen as a QB.

j/c...

One thing to consider is that McCarron may not want to sign with the Browns given he has other options. If he truly wants an opportunity to be a long term starter and knowing the Browns are highly likely to take a QB at #1, why would he sign here?

Your statement that I quoted sounded to me like you're one looking for a "reason" to fire Hue. You may go one record saying otherwise but it sounded like that to me.

I'll apologize since I don't know your stance on the HC. I rarely read your posts. When I do they often appear to be from out in left field somewhere, so I typically scroll past them.

Didn't you want to trade for him though?

Personally, I think it's a stupid idea unless we pick Darnold. Then it becomes an OK idea.

That's fine. But then don't start out your post stating what someone wants/thinks if you have no idea. We have a handful of posters who already do that and we don't need anymore.

Rooting? No. Being aware of options/scnearios when trying to think as Dorsey? Yes, at least that was my approach. Hue wanted McCarron. If Hue still does, then go get him (as much as it pains me to type that since I don't want Hue near a QB decision based on the past). If it works out, then that's great. If it fails, as a FO, since there is zero tie to Hue, you have your reason to move on from him and hand pick the HC YOU want to hire. Not one already here.

Forget the McCarron name. Insert any Bridge QB Hue wants sicne there is not many out there.....the same process applies for me. I used AJ because of the most recent news and what transpired last trade deadline.

I think this is a real possibility. I mean, AJ has to know if he signed with Cleveland that we'd still be drafting a QB #1 overall and the window to succeed will be very small knowing the #1 pick is waiting in the wings. That's a scenario he might not want. Absoulutely.

Exactly.

If I'm AJ, I'd sign with the Browns if I'm their guy going forward. I'd think I'm no "bridge QB" like Glennon was (even though he got paid to take the demotion). If the Browns are still taking a QB near the top of the first, I'm telling my agent to call Jax, Denver, Buff, Zona, Minne, etc.

I don't see a situation where we sign AJ and then draft a QB in the top 4. No way. Obviously, the same with Cousins.

Would McCarron want to sign with the Browns knowing they will be drafting a QB, probably at #1 or #4? I think he will be more interested in a team like Buffalo or the Jets or possibly the Broncos. Not sure if those teams would have interest in him.

And it usually always does. You didn't miss the mark ddub.

Oh, but he did. And clearly so did you.

j/c:


https://twitter.com/MockingTheDraft/status/964538754101805056


Just one person's opinion on the potential contract. I hope the poor decision of McGlennon's contract will limit what McCarron would get if he comes here.

Yes, 'absolutely'. AJ has stated that he wants to be a starter. He wouldn't get that here in the long term...

Well he "wants to be a starter". But I can't think of a single NFL team that would promise him that job.

I didn't want anything to do with A.J. McCarron if we had to give up any picks to get him. Now that he is unrestricted, I am fine with starting him for one year if he's not too expensive.

Sometimes people actually look at the situation to determine their opinions. Others don't seem to include that in their thought process.

This makes sense give then need for QBs and the increase in the salary cap. I have said that I would sign McCarron to the Mike Glennon deal, but $25 million guaranteed for a one year player is a tough pill to swallow. Like I've said before, we're going to need this cap space, which we can rollover to future years, to sign all these draft picks at some point. We should probably be thinking about signing Duke Johnson and Danny Shelton (to avoid picking up his fifth year player option) to extensions this off-season. Then next off-season we have to look at Emmanuel Ogbah, J.C. Tretter, Shon Coleman, Spencer Drango, Joe Schobert, and/or Derrick Kindred. That extra money will come in handy down the road.

I've officially talked myself out of A.J. McCarron. Give me Chase Daniel, Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown, Mark Sanchez, or someone else on a cheap one year deal.

Your post assumes that Dorsey doesn't want Hue and is willing to make a decision that he as a GM doesn't believe in for the purpose of potentially set-up a situation to fire Hue should McCarron fail.

That is the definition of dysfunction, okay 'rooting' for it isn't the right word but that situation you described is dysfunctional in an extreme Brownseque manner.

Dorsey should sign a QB that is the best decision for the team. He shouldn't pander to Hue in order to fire him later.

Good points. I think Dorsey wants to win and isn't even thinking about setting up Hue to be fired. That's nonsense.

I think he will listen to Hue and the rest of his staff and will ultimately make the best decision for the team.

I am not saying he will make the right decisions, but I don't think dysfunction is a factor in his decision making process.

Well, yeah. Completely different situation. Trading draft picks for a guy with a handful of games left on his contract, or signing an unrestricted FA to a brand new contract.

yea... the 49ers with Jimmy Garoppolo should be a lesson on that...

Nevermind

A.J. McCarron will get paid more this year than Andy Dalton

Posted by Mike Florio on February 16, 2018, 1:21 PM EST

Some would say that the Bengals, now faced with A.J. McCarron becoming an unrestricted free agent, should choose McCarron over Andy Dalton. Apart from the team’s assessment of the two guys as players, there’s an important factor that is even more important to the Bengals, given that they are extremely careful with money.

Dalton’s deal averages $16 million per year, and he’ll make $13.9 million this year in salary and workout bonus. McCarron will at least average $16 million on the open market, and he’ll get considerably more than $13.9 million in 2018.

Is he worth it, you ask? We’re all worth whatever someone will pay and if the 49ers will pay Jimmy Garoppolo $27.5 million for seven inconsequential career starts, what will someone pay to a quarterback who started three meaningful regular-season games and a playoff game that, based on McCarron’s efforts, the Bengals should have won.

So, yes, McCarron will get paid. A lot. And people who don’t follow football closely will be shocked. Those who do won’t be.

There aren’t enough good quarterbacks to go around, and McCarron is good enough to get paid more than $16 million per year.

What is the point of A.J. McCarron if we are running Todd Haley's offense and not Hue Jackson's offense?

He is simply a FA QB on the market who has actually won some NFL games.

He's another name on the list of possible FA signings that could serve as a bridge QB until the#1 pick is ready to start.

Foles has just shown us the advantage of having a good back up.

Because we are (allegedly) going to start molding the offense to our players' strengths. McCarron could be a serviceable QB. If we are desperate to sign a vet QB to serve as a bridge to our #1 draft pick taking over, then I guess we could do a lot worse than AJ.

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hue will still have an impact on the offense, so AJ still has some advantage coming in.

Plus, he does have “just don’t screw it up” playoff experience, as Hue had him playing at a high level all things considered.

And i know I was part of a very few who wanted to trade for him. But to me we have both cap space and draft picks to burn, so I rather burn the picks. We have enough inexperienced players on the roster to keep adding another 10+ rookies this year.

But now, we have to give up cap space, because he still isn’t going to come cheap. I can definitely argue that AJ is better than Glennon, because in today’s nfl the backup is even more of a priority due to more Injuries.

It would’ve been nice to use more of the cash to bring in quality FA vets, as experience is the trait we most need on this team.

The point was that more people are open to signing AJ as a free agent than there were open to trading for him.

Absolutely nothing to do with the Jimmy G situation as he was never a FA. And I bet there were more people willing to sign him as a UFA than trading for him, if given a choice.

As cfrs says, never mind.

Say we sign AJ to a 3 year contract. He gets 15-17 million a year. Nice piece of change as it is being said he will get around 16 million. I'm sure he understands we will be drafting a QB at #1 or 4. With a familiar coach, not to mention one that likes him, this is a golden opportunity to show what he can do. He'll be only 30 when the contract expires and could set himself up for a more lucrative deal if he does well either with us, if our pick doesn't work out, or with someone else. We will be getting more weapons on O so that should help too. Could be a very good situation for him. JMO

The big thing about trading for AJ last year was the fact we were trying to get a win or two. Having a QB who had experience in the system, and who had wins in the system was the best chance to do so. Plus if AJ had come in and won some games, there would not be the push for using the high draft picks for Quarterbacks. Now, circumstances are different. We will never know if AJ would have made the difference needed to just draft Barkley and Minkah. Plus, AJ may be more inclined to go where he may/may not be limited by a first round QB option biting into goal of being a starter in the NFL.

That's great and all. But there are only two main types of teams. Those in need of a QB that would draft one with or without AJ and those that have a QB where AJ will be the back up. I don't see any NFL team that would sign AJ and promise to just hand him the reigns to their team.

To me that would be like finding a unicorn.

Serious question:

What has A.J. McCarron done to deserve big money?

He was a fifth round pick (which tells you what the league thought of him at that point), he started three games in 2015 (and was decent), and he was the backup to a very average QB.

This is not Jimmy Garoppolo (who was a second round pick that sat behind Tom Brady) or even Mike Glennon (third round pick, nineteen starts).

I guess that depends on what you consider "big money" is when it comes to an NFL QB. 16 mil isn't that high of a number when looking at QB signings over the last year or two. The cap goes up every year and so do the contracts. Supply and demand dictate the market.

For a reference look at the Glennon contract.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26285...ear-%20contract

Supply and demand alright. There are about 10 QB's out there I would take before AJ.

I don't understand what anybody likes about him other than he knows Hue's offense and Haley is changing that offense.

If we pay AJ McCarron $16 mil a year we deserve to be laughed at by every other NFL team out there.

who are they and why? just wondering...

Drew Brees
Kirk Cousins
Case Keenum
Teddy Bridgewater
Sam Bradford
Josh McCown
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Derek Anderson
Drew Stanton
Matt Moore
Jay Cutler
Chad Henne

I would prefer getting a QB on this list at McCown or above, but I'd take anyone on that list before AJ.